News: Fire Berhalter

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  1. GreedyG

    GreedyG Member

    Dec 9, 2020
    Ohhh gawd, Cherundolo is not the solution.
     
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  2. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    LOL do you think any of: Acosta, Yedlin, Roldan, Morre, Morris, Zimmerman, Ferreira etc earned themselves moves from this Cup???

    I could see ferreira getting bought just because he is young....but otherwise, any objective minded observer could clearly see that the MLS contingent in this USMNT flat out sucked.
     
  3. Douglas Campbell

    BVB
    United States
    Mar 2, 2018
    Well, in fact Gio Reyna did look like an upgrade from Jesus Ferreira & Jordan Morris.
     
  4. WShine

    WShine Member

    Jan 19, 2005
    New Jersey
    Yes the US bench is very shallow in talent. So why was an extremely talented player like Gio on the bench for 80% of this tournament? Joe Scally never played a minute and Shaq Moore got serious time. Not enough Aaronson. I know you must take talented guys out to get them in but you must sub with 5 sub rule otherwise you run out of gas. All three Ned goals were complete open shot gifts from poor marking/ball watching. Symptom of a young, tired team.
     
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  5. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You mean like all of them do for their club teams??? 4 games in two weeks is not a lot. Pulisic, McKennie, Dest, Musah....routinely play 3 games a week for their club teams.

    Who would you take out for Reyna? Weah??? Pulisic??? McKennie??? Would you play him as a False 9, and then there's no one to at least occupy a center back or two???

    Real life ain't a video game......simply putting the most talented players on the field isn't going to guarantee results, or get better results.

    And to say that there isn't a steep drop off in quality after the top 13 players is completely naive and shows a lack of understanding of the game at this level. It's obvious to see.

    Also, the way the US plays is a 4-2-3-1/4-3-3. It's a dutch system.......Earnie Stewart is the head of US Soccer's Technical side.....It's the same system the Philadelphia Union played when he was the TD for them.
     
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  6. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Musah and his 1 assist in 23 US appearances is a pretty obvious starting point.
     
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  7. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A short term extension through March suits both sides.
     
  8. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    I hope it's some Europa League dude so we can see the meltdowns when he still calls up some MLS players.
     
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  9. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Musah is a defensive Midfielder.....Reyna is not playing as an 8.

    The reason the US midfield has so much success in the group stage is because of Adams and Musah being paired together.
     
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  10. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    1599100557444030464 is not a valid tweet id
    boom, roasted...
     
  11. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are you really making the argument that Berhalter missed a significant number of talented American players in Europe in favor of inferior MLS players? Or, do you think that it’s more realistic that this roster is about as good as it gets, because there aren’t any hidden gems that have gone unnoticed.

    This is it- the American pool of players has been identified. Maybe some better options will rise up before the next WC, but the guys who are on the roster today are the best available US players.
     
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  12. Android Cat

    Android Cat Member+

    Sep 16, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Your bar for Greg must have been pretty low to begin with. :thumbsdown::cautious:

    With far more talent at his disposal, Greg Berhalter struggled through qualification instead of dominating CONCACAF. Absolutely struggled. He won a gold cup: so what - who was the last US coach that failed to win one. He [barely] won the inaugural Nations League after struggling in the final against Mexican dinosaurs sans a meteorite and being lucky enough to see Pulisic get a soft penalty call. We struggled in the second-half against a third-rate Welsh team and ultimately couldn't beat them. We pretty much bunkered against a lowly Iranian team way out of their league. And being down 2-0 against the Dutch, he throws on Gio Reyna for only the second time in the tournament and expects miracles. No Pefok. No Pepi. Christian Roldan and Aaron Long make the roster over far better options (injuries aside). No creativity whatsoever.

    These were never my expectations. But hey - I respect yours.
     
  13. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ummmm....yes, yes I am!

    Did you know:

    AN AMERICAN PLAYER WON PLAYER OF THE MONTH IN THE NETHERLANDS FIRST DIVSIION THIS MONTH....and had zero chance of being on the team.....

    there's literally dozens of euro players that could have been on this team that weren't.

    If there werent any euro options left at home, it would totally different.....and I'd be MUCH more sympatetic to Greggg

    but we've learned this lesson already with past USMNTs

    Sheeet we learned it in Couva ...when a brash and arrogant Bruce Arena said ..."we have players in MLs that can get the job done" dirctly before sinking that team like the Titanic!!!

    this isn't revelatory....

    but somehow ...the powers that be do not want to accept FACTS.

    likely because the money of stakeholders in MLS has enough influence behind the scenes to demand MLS inclusion in the US team, to its detriment.

    I couldnt disagree with you more that "this is it"....it is 100% not it.

    When did you start following the team???

    yesterday?
     
  14. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Please USSF - just announce that Berhalter wont be back so I can run around my block naked in sheer joy
     
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  15. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Reyna should be playing as an 8 in this US setup. He should be our 10 under a competent coach, but in Berhalter's system, he should be our advanced 8.

    With Adams, we don't need a second defensive midfielder, and I'd disagree that Musah has been employed as one anyway.
     
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  16. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    MLS players didn't earn likely moves but then again they didn't play much so that's understandable. Except for Zimmerman, who was good mostly and won't get a move because he's already making big money.

    I'm not sure which Euro-based guys earned moves either though. I don't think anyone is suddenly desperate to sign Sargent or Wright. Adams was probably the most talked about guy but realistically the rest of the season at Leeds will say more about his place on the market than this tournament. CP's failure to take a golden chance reminded me of some issues at Chelsea and why even though he almost certainly has another big move left in him I'm still not sure of him ever living up to expectations of a 70 million fee.
     
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  17. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    The Mickey Mouse Club or The breakfast Club
    May 4, 2002
    Limbo
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    #2042 FanOfFutbol, Dec 3, 2022
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2022
    That is quite true and also very very sad.
    We have zero center backs of any quality and we have zero center forwards of any quality.
    It takes great coaching to win anything important outside of CONCACAF with the lack of talent we have at both ends of our playing formation and we have Gregg Berhalter.

    We scored three goals in four matches and every one involved one player that is simply not the right player to carry a team. That is quite horrible and would not have gotten us out of just about any group except the one we were in where two of the five weakest teams in the tournament were playing.

    Me might not be better with different coaching but I am pretty sure we could not have done worse.

    We did better than I expected but we also did MUCH worse than would be reasonable to expect.
     
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  18. Android Cat

    Android Cat Member+

    Sep 16, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll make that argument. When we were whipping in crosses in the dying minutes of the game, I find it hard to believe that Pefok, a Bundesliga player, would not have been better than Ferreira. Aaron Long was more useful to this roster than Palmer-Brown? And Roldan? We don't have ANYONE in Europe that's ahead of Roldan? o_O
     
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  19. The Clientele

    The Clientele Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Jun 25, 2005
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can we get video proof of this exploit?!
     
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  20. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    if you sign up for my only fans...I'll give you that....and a lot more!
     
  21. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    I don't see how in this universe we could have beaten the Dutch.

    We did as well as we could. Our defense was going to be a problem always, and playing wingbacks as fullbacks was going to cost us eventually.
     
  22. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Weah, Sargent, Robinson, and CCV were not rejected by Berhalter. We know this because all of them made the World Cup roster. They weren’t ready in 2019 and once they were they were given opportunities.

    It’s insane and illogical to say Berhalter was picking MLS guys just for the sake of picking MLS guys. No coach leaves out his best players on purposes and all the guys mentioned were getting call ups in 2019.

    Honestly I’ve never met a fan of an MLS team who spends much time worrying about the league relative to others. But you seem to spend a great deal of time obsessing about it.

    No one cares if a player from Denmark gets a shot over the MLS player. They just want to see the better player getting called up, independent of league.
     
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  23. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    if van gall was coaching the USMNT and berhalter was coaching the dutch....US wins by the same margin or more
     
  24. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Points per match by American managers in MLS:
    Marsch - 1.59
    Vanney - 1.50
    Curtin - 1.49
    Berhalter - 1.43 (Only one with 0 club titles as manager)
    Brothers in executive positions in US Soccer when hired:
    Gregg Berhalter: 1
    Everyone else: 0
    Let’s look a little harder for 2026
     
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  25. Android Cat

    Android Cat Member+

    Sep 16, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Additionally,

    I hate to sound like that dramatic over-irrational fan who's pissed that his/her team just lost, but I think it's worth bringing up the point that the USSF's reputation, with respect to picking decent coaches in the last decade, isn't exactly stellar. And I fear that there is a chance that they may pick someone that hinders the team as opposed to enhancing it. for the past two years, the only team(s) that we have seemed to disorganize with the ball, for the most part, is ourselves. So Berhalter leaving, alone, isn't that much of a welcome relief to me.
     
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