Bundesliga 2022/23 - 27 EURO finalists play in the best league in Europe

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by Lohmann, Aug 1, 2022.

  1. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    A lot of the current national team have know SGS Essen as their home for stages in their career, highlighting the truly important role clubs like this hold within this league. I genuinely fear where the wnt would be right now, if it was left with the years of dismal DFB leadership of the senior team...:confused:

    Essen creating an environment known for graduating a lot of talent to some of the top teams in the league, they've done this knowing it also means they will never qualify for Europe, or contest league titles, but end up typically fighting relegation.

    If your judging Essen next to other clubs at the bottom end of this league, Essen's value significantly higher based on their legacy of developing players for stronger teams.
     
  2. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    I've whined about the DFB being ass for YEARS lol, but take a look at the way Germany's wnt play, and ask yourself... does this team have any crossover with Bayern's women this season...? The only answer here should be, no.

    So again... I don't see how any of this relates to the current fate of the men's national team..:unsure: Wolfsburg now the nations most successful women's club, possessing the most amount of wnt players, and yet it has no crossover with the way the wnt intends to play.

    Seriously... none of the Frauen-Bundesliga clubs play like the wnt lol.
     
  3. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    She's supposed to be a #8... no...? But your making comparisons to Messi now, and it's sounding beyond ridiculous lol; as all I'm asking, is how good is Minge compared to her rival CM's in this league...:unsure:

    I mean, your points only helping to highlight exactly why I questioned Minge's current role within Freiburg's team being more like a striker, when a strong CM typically displays much broader qualities within this league.

    With Magull, Däbritz, Lohmann, and Marozsan, we already know what a offensively strong CAM/CM will look like for Germany, but even when I compare Minge to Hagel, I don't think Minge has come close to replicating the quality Hagel has shown us whenever facing tough opposition.

    Honetly, MVT has more than enough options in CM, and still can't construct a balanced mid-field when Oberdorf isn't playing lol. So with Marozsan back now, I'd forget discussing Minge, or Senß, for a potential WC place.
     
  4. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Yeah... remember what I said about Bayern's new coach wanting to play like his old team lol. Back 3, no wingers...:ROFLMAO: Bayern are finished.

    I just hope this doesn't lead to Bühl, Schüller, Magull, or Lohmann, deciding to jump ship post WC for new opportunities outside of Germany...:unsure:
     
  5. Klingo3034

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    More like they moved to where they think the ball was going anywhere else except the wall.
     
  6. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    again, she's currently tied at #1 in league scoring(this from an box to box mid position). May I remind you; at the start of of the season you wrote that Kayikci was an better player, how that's working out for you? =(Kayikci 0 goals, 2 assists)

    may I remind you that week after week you've been hyping how great Lohmann is(0 goals, 1 assist) how did that work last weekend?(Minge scores both goals in an important away game, where as the starting Lohmann had another unimpressive showing)

    may I remind you that MVT does believe in an ratio of having quick transitioning players, on her squad, hence she even chose the less effective, Anyomi & Krumbiegel for her squad

    but saying this, it be better NOT to be chosen for the NT, if Minge, Senss & Hagel(all exposed for having day jobs) are NOT going to give !00% attention to soccer.. As I've said; only way Germany will win the WC if they get 23 full time professional soccer players on the squad.
    never mind, that currently Lohmann hasn't proved anything so far this season, but why do you keep hammering Marozsan's name; have you seen her stats over the last few years?
    Germany - D. Marozsán - Profile with news, career statistics and history - Women Soccerway
    after coming back from the NWSL, where her stats were 0 goals, 3 assists, she came back to Lyon after the winter break and got an whole 144 minutes of playing time/15 min in the Champions League for the two months before her ACL. She went nearly 3 years before scoring for the NT(2019/2022). Started in that Serbia disaster.
    If this is another hardship case, well it's one too many/or you basically all ready have one in Gwinn, cuz it be hard to come back 100% in just 9 month(which should be exactly when the WC starts)
     
  7. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    OK.... lets do this your way... using league play only...
    21/22 Kayicki playing as a FW/CAM, has 3 assists, 11 goals,
    21/22 Minge playing in CB/RB/CM roles, has 0 assists, 2 goals.

    20/21 Kayicki playing as a FW/CAM, has 4 assists, 5 goals.
    20/21 Minge playing in CB/RB/CM roles, has 0 assists, 2 goals.

    19/20 Kayicki playing as a FW/CAM, has 5 assists, 5 goals.
    19/20 Minge playing in CB/RB/CM roles, has 0 assists, 4 goals.

    During Minge's teen years....
    18/19 Kayicki injured all season.
    17/18 Kayicki playing as a FW/CAM, has 7 assists, 6 goals.
    16/17 Kayicki playing as a FW/CAM, has 2 assists, 12 goals.
    15/16 Kayicki playing as a FW/CAM, has 5 assists, 8 goals.

    Using your own stupidly unreasonable rules, IF I actually said Kayicki was a better player than Minge..:unsure:, it's surely only backed up by pure FACTS here, knowing Kayicki one of Freiburg's most important players over a long period of time; a long period of time she'd also produce stand out performances against the top teams in the league too.
     
  8. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    @hotjam2 logic... a CAM/CM Hagel scored 12 goals last season... so she's a better player than Pajor...:confused:. Billa as a #9 scored a huge 23 goals before that, so she's significantly better than Popp who only scored 5. 2019/20 Hartig would score 12 goals as a CM/CAM too, meaning so she's better than Popp... Popp's finished, what a mediocre player...:rolleyes:
     
  9. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Hype...?
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    Oh, so we're still pushing this airplane crash level opinion...:rolleyes: The 4 players I've continued to mention as the most negatively effected by the new coach at Bayern, are Magull, Schüller, Bühl, and Lohmann; but ignoring this, and just analyzing at a players ability/talent as a CM, I'll continue to warn you... your making a horrible mistake trying to establish a narrative of a low ceiling being on Lohmann's talent lol.

    Seriously, you already know how this turned out after randomly denying the ability of Oberdorf. Making me believe you either don't understand the factors that create a quality mid-fielder, or you just intend to troll me now...:unsure:. But hey... whatever...
     
  10. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Lohmann has still produced the most successful dribbles per 90 mins of any player this season lol, highlighting how much her game defined by a highly effective ability to transition quickly over long distances, using excellent dribbling at speed.

    Gudorf, Senß, Bühl, Brand, all better in transition this season than the names your mentioning here lol. And none of this even makes any sense, when you understand how MVT's Germany don't even seek to play on counter...:confused:

    And before you try to mention it, no... Krumbiegel's success Vs the USwnt, actually based on other players being far more effective at the aspects of the game she struggles. Bühl, Magull, Brand, all playing huge roles in executing key passes in transitional play, that would allow Krumbiegel to feature prominently.
     
  11. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    LOL... German football listening to you...
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    The way you wished for Germany's downfall at the Euro's, all because MVT found success re-establishing a more conventional German style of play, I'm doubting anything you say on this subject holds any value for the future of this team..:whistling:
     
  12. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    I don't understand what your trying to say here...? It reads like you believe I'm pro Marozsan..:unsure:, using stats to instead highlight why you think she's bad. But I know for a fact I've only been negative on the way Marozsan is deployed in MVT's wnt lol.

    I even openly speculated on Marozsan's unfortunate ACL injury, actually being the random coincidence that opened the door for MVT to improve the Euro team by using Oberdorf in mid-field. Did you miss my rants during the WC qualifiers lol...:confused:

    It's just obvious MVT will continue to select favorites despite their often poor effectiveness for her team (cough, cough, Dallmann...:whistling:). Which means Marozsan will 100% return to the national team, even if it's likely to see her used in a DM role again, create more problems, providing less answers.
     
  13. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    #838 Batfink, Dec 1, 2022
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    Oh...
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    but when Krumbiegel, or Dallmann, continue to be selected for the wnt without merit, it's perfectly fine. But when Marozsan with 111 caps, 33 goals, and a career full of club success now set to return to the wnt, it's a problem lol.

    I know that I'm one of many observers who see Nüsken the significantly better DM/CM option for the wnt now, but I also understand MVT will persist with the horror show of Nüsken in a CB role, and just return Marozsan to a DM/CM position...:(

    In a perfect scenario though, if Marozsan is going to the WC, I'd prefer to see her take Dallmann spot as the back up for Magull. This to hopefully improve on the honestly invisible displays from Dallmann within a important CAM role, where doing a great job accomplishing absolutely nothing a frustrating norm that really needs to stop.
     
  14. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    you again forgot the word current form, but this argument should finally of been put to rest since MVT picked Minge over Kayikci & your other favorites, Senss & Steurwald)
    WOW, listening to you insult MVT or some of her players like a thousand times, ..….gee, weez the only time I said something negative during Euros was vs Austria when Germany reverted back into trying punch it’s way through an high press instead of around it.
    Didn’t watch the French semi/only watched the last 60 minutes of the final where I felt Wiegman just out smarted MVT(which you admitted time again us an say better coach)
    like my continued prediction that Dallmann will make the NT—-whereas yours(that she wouldn’t make it) was DEAD wrong!
    this is all you can come up with, lol?
     
  15. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    seems like some agreement is taking place between the two clubs as WOB taking care the recovery of one of the US best CB's. But I also know Chicago trying to sell it's club so can't say how long their partnership going to last
    Jeff Kassouf on Twitter: "Tierna Davidson update: the #USWNT and Chicago Red Stars defender is training with Wolfsburg as she recovers from a torn ACL. Chicago and Wolfsburg recently announced a vague partnership, and this appears to be among the benefits. #NWSL" / Twitter

    WOB says way over 10K seats sold for their game tomorrow vs Frankfurt. That one as well as today's Bayern/HOF match so far only being offered live on Magenta or other subscrption sites
     
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  16. Klingo3034

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    Chicago staying?
     
  17. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Current form...
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    From only this season, ignore positional definitions, ignore opponents, ignore a wider use of stats/data, ignore the past, ignore the future, ignore TV footage etc.. your list of parameters just gets narrower every reply...:unsure:

    But I know if the wnt actually selected individuals using current form, NONE of the players you talk about would ever be in serious contention, or have MVT call them back if they've been fortunate enough to make a squad.

    Various players have had better one time seasons than Minge, and none of these one season wonders ever factor in the legitimate success of this wnt. However, I'm unable to show you why people would know this, as you don't believe the use of past data holds any relevance to the now, or the future of various prospects...:confused:
     
  18. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    When did I ever say Kayikci one of my favorite players lol, or mention how she should be part of any past/present MVT wnt selection process...:confused:

    Honestly, I wouldn't even think it smart to promote the decision process of MVT, or her coaches, when it comes to selecting fringe players either. As we just witnessed MVT field one of the worst defenses, and mid-field combinations, you could ever want to see Vs the USwnt away from home.

    Selecting Minge for a huge 26 member squad, as she being used as a CM/CB for her club, and then decide not put her on the field once lol. MVT allowed the USwnt to have the complete freedom to walk through Germany's nonexistent CM trio of CAM's, creating relentless 1v1's against her novice overworked defenders, and never thought of using Minge once...:coffee:
     
  19. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    Insult...:unsure:, how about you use the word criticize...:rolleyes: As pre Euro's MVT was fully deserving of every bit of criticism I would aim in her direction. Not only did she misuse the strengths of one of the women's games best players (Oberdorf), but never seemed to grasp how individuals club form would genuinely help create the clearest path towards international success.

    Once the tournament started though, besides the nothingness that was Dallmann within a CAM role, I really couldn't complain about the coach, or the players fantastic efforts, given the highly positive football they would come together and produce for large TV and stadium audiences.

    And seriously... don't make me go back and get the receipts on the embarrassingly irrational reasoning you had for wanting Germany to lose at the Euro's...:coffee:
     
  20. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    I've NEVER said MVT and Wiegmann should be mentioned in the same breath when it comes to talking coaching ability... and would simply correct you on why anybody persistently pushing this narrative of them being rivals, seriously unwarranted, and highly mischievous...;)

    In the Euro final, Wiegmann not having any real control over the proceedings, compared to the way injury, Covid, and a frustrating display of refereeing would impact the final result. I find it hard to believe I ever gave Wiegmann any credit too, when I still openly believe Germany Europe's best wnt lol.
     
  21. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    And how's this all working out for Dallmann and the German wnt....
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    But hey, at least your pleased about everyone watching a bad selection for the CAM role remain nothing but underwhelming, or straight up invisible for the wnt. It must be fun knowing you being right, takes precedent over everyone seeing misfits, playing bad football...:rolleyes:

    From suggesting Oberdorf overrated as a way to protect various bad takes concerning the supposed elite quality of MVT's coaching. Or suggesting the factually worst German u20 side ever, somehow playing impressive football lol. To hoping a strong German Euro wnt lose, all because they wouldn't use a style similar to the USwnt..:thumbsdown:

    This take on Dallmann playing for the wnt another obvious L, you'll just deflect, and dance around reason lol.
     
  22. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    #847 Batfink, Dec 2, 2022
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    Yeah... this is how the use of data typically works lol. And this is without me needing to resort to using horrible analogies, where I comparing Lohmann to world class male players...:whistling:

    Anyway, Krumbiegel is starting right wing/wide FW for Hoffenheim tonight, with Bayern's goofy coach starting Magull wide right, Dallmann wide left, Bühl #9, with Lohmann CAM, in front of Zadrazil - Stanway as the double 6...:sick:
     
  23. Batfink

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    0-1 Bayern, Rall scores from the 2nd faze of a corner, where it would see another assist from Simon floated towards the back post, and a straight forward header at close range from Bayern's RB.

    Hoffenheim's CB's are still Feldkamp, and Hagel... and yeah, they still stink lol.
     
  24. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    I'll watch the rest of the game later, but 30 mins in... it's just been one way traffic for Bayern, where Hoffenheim's mid-field trio of Dongus - TDC - Harsch, have done absolutely NOTHING.

    It's a real shame Hagel can't play in their mid-field this season, as its clear they need her quality directing the offense. But not even having Hickelsberger on the right for counter attacking opportunities, is really making this much worse too, as it just allows Simon to maraud into forward spaces at will.

    Hoffenheim still have the ability to score, but also a horrible defensive record. So if they can keep it tight until HT, this may end up being a closer match that it appears to me right now...:cautious:
     
  25. hotjam2

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    #850 hotjam2, Dec 2, 2022
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    needless to say, your jinx is still working, Bayern. with the easy win. Unfortunately going to be a very predictable rest of the season ahead.
    Some of the pleasent surprises for Bayern; Tainara being so much stronger of an defending CB than Saki/newcomer Kett blossoming into such potent player. and I do like your seeing way more variety in their attack as shots were taken by nearly the entire squad(as compared to WOB with it's almost one dimensional style of centering to Pajor or whoever's lone striker) and then, trying soething new with Buhl as a false #9
     

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