What's the rest of the world thinking of our performances so far this tournament?

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by LouisianaViking07/09, Nov 26, 2022.

  1. Eighteen Alpha

    Eighteen Alpha Member+

    Aug 17, 2016
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    Are you saying that I took it down the rabbit hole? I’m confused.
     
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  2. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Dec 15, 1999
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    Leicester City FC
    Just thought it was kinda mild up til your post :) - but no worries. I agree with you that we don’t want it here.
     
  3. Eighteen Alpha

    Eighteen Alpha Member+

    Aug 17, 2016
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    #103 Eighteen Alpha, Dec 1, 2022
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    Then I will gracefully exit this discussion. The last thing I was seeking was more tribalist divisions.
    You have no need for. my opinion here.
     
  4. largegarlic

    largegarlic Member+

    Jul 2, 2007
    The individual ratings seem to match up pretty well with the eye test, but I'm surprised Aaronson is that low.
     
  5. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because there are a lot of good analysts of soccer in the rest of the world (also), and it’s helpful to get input from knowledgeable outsiders who have different perspectives and knowledge bases.

    I learn a lot more from people from abroad who analyze the games dispassionately than from agenda-driven keyboard warriors on Twitter and US studio analysts trotting out contrarian views to generate cheap buzz.
     
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  6. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    These ratings all start out at a 6.0 and then add or subtract values based on actions in extended box score stats. I.e., a completed pass +.02; a goal +1.0; a pass of yours intercepted -.05 or whatever.

    Because of that, minutes matter. It's nearly impossible to get a high score if you don't play enough to register points above 6.
     
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  7. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Dec 15, 1999
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    I’m not asking for that - I can remove all of the political stuff if you prefer.
     
  8. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Where do the three have Netherlands ranked out of 32?
    Expected Ream to be even higher tbh
     
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  9. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    5th, 9th, 6th
     
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  10. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    If we get past NL, I think Ream has a shout for tournament best 11
     
  11. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    I'm not. He hasn't really made much of a difference, one way or the other.
     
  12. Bach1685fan

    Bach1685fan Red Card

    United States
    Nov 26, 2022
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Compared to Japan the US is weak sauce. Nobody should be impressed with the USMNT so far.
     
  13. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    So we should emulate Canada, Australia and now Japan.

    Gotcha. Good to know.
     
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  14. Bach1685fan

    Bach1685fan Red Card

    United States
    Nov 26, 2022
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, why not emulate teams that have looked better and more confident than us at times?
     
  15. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    That's because it probably is
     
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  16. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I'm just waiting for you to add more. It's all so meaningful, especially when you told us to emulate a team that got 0 points and only wasn't the worst team in the tourney because of Qatar!
     
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  17. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    To my eye test, Aaronson has been pretty disappointing.
     
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  18. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    Ream and our entire defense has greatly benefited from the work of MMA. I think that has to be accounted for. If the goalie and defense are spared much work, you can't rate them that highly.
     
  19. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    Even before our match with them and the WC, I thought they were the non-traditional power most likely to make noise in this tournament. More likely than us. And I like our team plenty.

    It would be pretty cool, and not too surprising, if we met them in the semis.
     
  20. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I question how we emulate three different teams all at once, but what do I know.
     
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  21. Scissorkick Collins

    Dec 30, 2009
    Club:
    --other--
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    United States
    Totally appreciate your attempts to unite the BigSoccer USA fanbase against a common enemy, but it probably won’t work!
     
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  22. DIMITAR BERBATOV!

    Aug 2, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Regarding the actual question posed in the title, I watched the post-game interviews of several English players and they were all pretty quick to heap praise on our guys. The implication of a draw vs. the USA from the press is that England must have done something wrong not to win, but the players didn't feed into that narrative. I don't have exact quotes, but I recall Kane, Rice, and Mount all basically saying, "Hey now, they're a good team." In other words, "We didn't play poorly, they just made it tough."

    I think the guys actually kicking the ball down there on the field are impressed with this team we've put together. They know quality when they see it, and the narrative is less, "We should have rolled them over" and more "They're a good team and it wasn't an easy game." That feels like a material difference from 2010 and probably even 2014. I remember Kompany being interviewed after the 2014 match. He didn't have anything kind to say about our guys. Instead it was just, "Wow, Tim Howard." Translation: "We would've killed them if their GK hadn't worked miracles for 120 minutes."

    There's a different vibe now where teams understand that our squad can really play ball.

    The casual observer always lags behind the expert, but I think more people will sit up and take notice IF our team can beat the Netherlands. That will really open some eyes. I don't want to get ahead of myself, but IF these guys can make the QF, I think they have at least a puncher's chance of shocking Argentina, which would really blow the lid off the powder keg of hype.

    That would be a transformational win in terms of how the general casual public views our program, but I think the sea change has largely already taken place. As I've said elsewhere, that draw against England was one of the best performances I've seen from us in 15 years. That was a big boy match, not just a scrappy team being stubborn.
     
  23. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    I don't think there is a team out there that would outplay us now the way Belgium did in 2014.
     
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  24. DIMITAR BERBATOV!

    Aug 2, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Collectively, maybe Brazil.

    Individually, I'm not sure there's a way to stop Mbappe. He can make a whole team look silly.
     
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  25. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yeah but if Colombia lost to the US now, it wouldnt be noteworthy, even for Colombians, no?
     

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