What is the problem with Canada?

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  1. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The media that is triggered though is all regime affiliated. They aren't friends of the players who have been told that if they don't behave their families will be imprisoned and tortured.





    The protestors in Iran have been specifically calling for people outside Iran to show solidarity for the protestors. Pretty much everything that is being done in both the US and Canada is specifically about calling attention to what's happening in Iran and criticizing the actions of the regime. Prior to the World Cup there were calls for the US, Wales, and England players to pretend to cut their hair if they scored a goal as this is something that woman are doing in Iran as part of protests (and other Iranian athletes have simulated). Criticizing the Iranian government is what they've been asked to do.

    The main issue is that it was done without consulting the State Department, Berhalter, or the US players. Berhalter and Tyler Adams were put in the position of having to answer for something that they weren't consulted on. Then there's also the question of whether this was the best way of showing solidarity or if some other action were better.

    But as someone who is Iranian American, I feel very confident this is not the sort of thing that will provide any sort of additional motivation the Iranian players (who will already be plenty motivated).
     
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  2. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    You don't want to provide the opposition any fuel, even if they should already be 100% engaged in the contest. So the USSF choosing to misrepresent the Iranian flag was just lame. The players and staff didn't ask for it.

    Herdman's comment about Croatia likely changed nothing, although the Croatians sure loved sticking it to him.

    I thought the naivete of Canada showed in this tournament. Gotta get that first one out of the way in order to be better prepared for the next one. Canada got outcoached and outplayed in that game. Which isn't a shock..................they're the #7 team in the world for a reason.

    But hell, this is Canada's first World Cup in a helluva long time. Enjoy it!!! One of the nasty parts of the World Cup is how quickly its over. You invest enormous emotional energy as a fan for two years of a cycle..............and poof its over.
     
  3. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I hope you're right. I should say that Tyler Adams handled the Iranian media very professionally.
     
  4. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He was super impressive and he's been getting a ton of plaudits from Iranian activists.

     
  5. Douglas Campbell

    BVB
    United States
    Mar 2, 2018
    I think it's some kind of sports-psychology trick. Find some way the other team is disrespecting you and your team. I think it's much better to be in that mental space where you want revenge for a slight than to just get up for a team you like. Michael Jordan used to play golf with Knicks players the day before Bulls-Knicks playoff games.
     
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  6. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That Iranian reporter sounds like a total jackass.
     
  7. SpencerNY

    SpencerNY Member+

    Dec 1, 2001
    Up in the skyway
    Props to Tyler for biting his lip on the criticism for calling it I-RAN instead of E-RON. I love England’s attitude of not even trying to pronounce latin stuff correctly.

    They would just smirk if the press called them out for saying Jay-zus Ferreria.
     
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  8. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I guaranty that the Iranian reporter doesn't use the English pronunciation when referring to the US in his native language.
     
  9. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
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    At least no one can take away their Ocho trophy.
     
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  10. Three and Three

    Three and Three Member+

    Sep 13, 2015
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    New England Revolution
    And you handle things with much class.
     
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  11. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One thing Canada certainly learned in this World Cup:

    Never, ever piss off Eastern Europeans.
     
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  12. Three and Three

    Three and Three Member+

    Sep 13, 2015
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Sure, enough. But Herdman, in the heat of the moment, was trying to motivate his team. Our federation, on the other hand, deliberated before offending and provoking. The decency and class of Adams cleaned up the mess. But there never should have been a mess. I'm not Tony Soprano, but I give Herdman a pass. But I sanction the metaphorical hit on our fed. Come on, huh?
     
  13. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  14. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  15. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    He's earned it.

    Although...............maybe he'll want the day-to-day challenge of club soccer. I'm sure there will be opportunities there as well.

    Pretty amazing the extent to which American fans complement Herdman and criticize Berhalter. Meanwhile its Berhalter holding the Gold Cup and Nations League trophies. Its Berhalter that's in the knockout round of the World Cup. I get it. It's about expectations. But still.....................
     
  16. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #5716 jaykoz3, Nov 30, 2022
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    He's never coached at the club level. He was a development coach in Sunderland's youth academy until 2001 when he moved to New Zealand. It'd be interesting to see how his style would translate to the day to day grind of professional club soccer. He's been a national team coach since 2006.

    IMO both Canada and the US should hire new coaches for the 2026 World Cup. Both could use a different approach/view to build upon the successes each had this cycle.
     
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  17. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not really worrying about that right now.

    ;)
     
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  18. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think if Carlo Ancelotti‘s rumored interest in the Canada job is true, you at least explore that. But otherwise you keep Herdman. Canada doesn’t have a ton to pay to attract a new coach, and Herdman has shown he can do the job. Of Hugo Perez would also be a very interesting hire as Canada coach (or Mexico for that matter).
     
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  19. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Carlo would have had a....let's say a different approach to the Croatia game. Definitely would not have tried to press them the entire game.....

    On the one hand, it's admirable and brave, yet on the other it's naive at best and hubris at worst. I did not understand their approach to that game after the first 1015 minutes. They didn't play that way against the US or Mexico in qualifying. Neither the US nor Mexico is on the level of this Croatian team. They needed to get at least a draw to be in a position to have a chance to get out of the group. If Berhalter approached a WC game this way....he'd be getting unmercilessly crucified.

    Maybe their performance against Belgium went to Herdman's head? A lot of folks are overlooking that this Belgium team....is largely the same team from the 2014 WC....KDB is in his prime, the rest of that team is past it, and they've looked like a team that's older and slow, and has weaknesses it can't cover up with young offensive talent like in previous tournaments.
     
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  20. Bach1685fan

    Bach1685fan Red Card

    United States
    Nov 26, 2022
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One major difference is Canada doesn't overhype young guys with a miligram of talent (I'll use metric) as being "superstars" like the US does with Pulisic and other below average scrubs. Canadian soccer media isn't cringy or inducing ridicule like the USSF/MLS or clueless windbags like Lalas, Matt Doyle, Herc Gomez, or sometimes Twellman. That's why Davies wasn't considered world class until he broke out at Bayern and David and Buchanan were completely unknown until recently.
     
  21. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    lol canada...
     
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  22. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll never understand why Herdman set the team up the way he did against Croatia. As you say it's not like that was how they played in qualifying, and the style they played in qualifying very much worked for them.

    Belgium got old. Even before the tournament, KDB was quoted saying he thought they were too old a team to win the World Cup. They're sort of between generations and they aren't the team they were at the last two World Cups. Canada still played great against them and very much deserved a result, but the approach against Croatia was a bit naive from Herdman. And coming from a guy who hasn't really set a foot wrong since he took over this team.
     
  23. Dyvel

    Dyvel Member+

    Jul 24, 1999
    The dog end of a day gone by
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    #WPIOOTBGW

    Worst keeper ever. Should have saved that second one.
     
  24. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Canada showed a lot of naivete at this tournament.

    Canada fighting to avoid being the worst team in the event.
    Only two teams have no points: Qatar and Canada.

    Right now they're better than Qatar on goal difference, but let's see how this game progresses.

    They did so well against Belgium, but since then its been a mess.

    Morocco ain't chopped liver, though. They have talented players. This is the way the World Cup is. Everybody is good. You don't get Trinidad & Tobago at home in the World Cup. The gap between success and failure is razor thin.

    Mexico got four points and everybody is fired. Martino is already gone.

    If Canada retains Herdman after this, are they admitting that they were just happy to be here in 2022?
     
  25. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     

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