World Cup Individual Advanced Stats

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by schwuppe, Dec 18, 2012.

  1. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
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    Yeah, his key pass totals add up to 21 indeed - I guess Opta would originally have had the Argentina data for him as 1 assist plus 2 chances created (meaning chances not converted into a goal).

    This was the minutes per chance created data for the midfield and forward categories, copied from the same place I quoted Gregoriak from before (from this thread), and he had in 1982 a chance created every 22.5 minutes, which equals the 20 chances created over the 5 games:
    Midfielders
    18.5 Strachan (Sco)
    19.3 Petrovic (Yug)
    22.5 Vercauteren (Bel)
    22.5 Hoddle (Eng)
    23.8 Giresse (Fra)
    23.8 Platini (Fra)

    Forwards
    23.3 Lopez Ufarte (Spa)
    24.5 Juanito (Spa)
    24.8 Caszely (Chi)
    25.0 Rocheteau (Fra)
    25.0 Fazekas (Hun)
    (So that didn't include assist it seems, which would disadvantage players such as Littbarski and Zico - they'd show up more with the key pass data in effect, although it seems still not enough that they'd have been listed in those top 5s I think since Zico played 89 minutes per game and Littbarski 84)
    Planet World Cup - 1982 - Statistics
     
  2. PDG1978

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    Looking more closely, I think that was wrong, because it seems an anomaly that Vercauteren's numbers for 1982 key passes and Opta Chances Created are different (by one, which is the number of assists he had) - maybe that was an error or maybe Sofascore determined a legitimate reason, Opta corrected their data, or Gregoriak might have had a typo (we can't check the Opta widget now of course; I'm not saying a typo seems the most likely to me but it can happen to us all sometimes obviously).

    Littbarski does have 19 key passes recorded on Sofascore (the same number as Gregoriak posted as his Opta Chances Created). Also Zico does have 17 too.

    The question remains though whether chances created/key passes do include assists or not....

    To confirm that: I checked Maradona for 1986 and he has 27 key passes over his 7 games, and Gregoriak listed him with 27 chances created too (the question is including the 5 assists or not, but maybe this video below can help because he's credited with 1 key pass and 1 assist too in the Final, so if there appears to be any second key pass, which I don't recall off the top of my head, maybe that means the assists aren't included in chances created numbers by Opta)
    Diego Maradona vs Germany [World Cup] - YouTube
    Laudrup has 11 key passes (and chances created as listed by Gregoriak) over his 4 games indeed in that World Cup too, and as a secondary check maybe this video can help because only 2 of them are credited to the Uruguay game and he has 1 assist credited on Sofascore too (the rebound assist as per Planet World Cup would surely not be a key pass anyway though with Sofascore/Opta so it depends whether there are one or two more key passes by him, which again I couldn't be quite sure of before watching again even though I already watched the video a number of times before, even if mostly a version that was previously on Youtube with English TV coverage - I guess the visual footage is 100% the same and full given the length of the video though; the actual video I saw before of Maradona vs Germany was also a different upload btw but again I assume this one is a full version and would show any other key pass)
    Michael Laudrup's Greatest World Cup Performance | Denmark vs Uruguay 1986 - YouTube
    While I'm at it, just because we were earlier discussing the most suitable positions for these players in that World Cup, it's maybe a good idea to link to the heatmap pages (although 1986 will need to be selected after using the link)
    Diego Armando Maradona No team videos, transfer history and stats - Sofascore
    Michael Laudrup No team videos, transfer history and stats - Sofascore
     
  3. PDG1978

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    I think based on those videos, assuming key passes wouldn't count if the recipient is given offside, the assists probably are included in the chances created numbers (which become key passes with Sofascore, despite what that tweet I found said), which was what I originally assumed lol!

    Laudrup has a key pass (actually a cross) at 9 and a half minutes on the video I think, but otherwise just a similar one where Elkjaer was offside in the first half, other than the assist. Maradona, other than the assist, just seems to have one pass that perhaps could have been a key pass near the start but there was also an offside.
     
  4. PDG1978

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    Yeah, Opta clearly have assists included in chances created anyway:
    Opta Event Definitions - Stats Perform
    It seems like there could even be doubt whether crosses are included as key passes (just because for assists the definition in a bit more expansive than for key passes), but I think they will be because chances created are defined as key passes plus assists, and obviously chances can be created with crosses.

    So Opta do have a key pass category, but for sure it seems (except for the Vercauteren anomaly) like for 1966-2014 World Cups at least the Sofascore key pass data is what used to be chances created on the OPTA widget (and so includes assists too) - there were no 'key passes' shown on that OPTA widget and maybe it's even been introduced as a category since then or something anyway....
     
  5. PuckVanHeel

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    #330 PuckVanHeel, Nov 22, 2022
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    Based on the data, I guess the Orange dot below Hazard and next to Maradona is Robben but hard to tell.

    The 19th best World Cup player as an outlier there (below any other footballing country worth their salt, except the best ranked Croatian player), quelle surprise.

    Such is the ingrained and default inclination (of the type "Holland [insert another smaller country with a small language] cannot be good at anything"). When it comes down to popular culture (incl. sports), one can choose between the role of (belittled, pittoresque) sideshow, villain - or written out of the story altogether (Rory Smith, Honigstein et al...).

    The last paragraphs of the Athletic article are sad. Also sad is the current players not being good enough... (but I can take it if that means Europe survives the winter safely)
     
  6. Trachta10

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    This is a graph I made some time ago,
    just a few players, maybe I can add more in the future with the new sofascore data

    is the % the player's chances created represent over the total of the team shots

    (player chances created)/(team shots-player shots)*100

    I think this adjust better the reality of players from different eras

    [​IMG]
     
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  7. PDG1978

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    #332 PDG1978, Nov 23, 2022
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    Interesting to see, and definitely worth a rep I think mate. I would say that (like with goal contribution numbers to an extent too) maybe it reflects how reliant a team was on a player to create chances, moreso than just how good the player was at creating them (so players on stacked teams on the creative side would be further down than they otherwise might, although on the flip side being on a stacked team could even help them and their possibility to be the one providing a final ball on occasions, so it's not straightforward I suppose).

    Also if a player misses game time (particularly whole games, like Platini in 1982 as the prime example that jumps out) then showing his involvement in all the team's chances created over the tournament is factual, but a bit misleading in terms of his involvement % when on the pitch. Having said that, with the Sofascore table comme posted about ball progression and increase in chance to score, while I think Cruyff's placing very well represents things (and for example Littbarski's is notable for sure), it would be fair to say that Maradona's would move a bit (more favourably) if just 1986 was shown, so to some extent that table reflects how many World Cup games have been played if I'm reading/interpreting it right anyway, and on that one therefore Maradona probably in effect moved to a less favourable position in his latter World Cup games I guess (while in yours above the combination of a team that did handle possession very well but still did lean on him to make the openings shows up very favourably I suppose).

    EDIT on this post too! - I guess it's debatable whether the player's own shots should be deducted too (there is reason to do it, but also reason not to maybe because it moves away from purely who was responsible for the most chances created % wise overall). I know there are similar decisions that have to be made re: the goal contributions/assist contributions on your thread though Trachta, and maybe neither way is really perfect. A player who takes lots of shots could show up better than he should for 'creativity' doing it the way you did (and a player who doesn't shoot much at all but creates a lot can be disadvantaged), but then a player who creates a lot but happens to have quite a few shots would be disadvantaged the other way, I understand (and other players who shoot less might not have been better creators....).
     
  8. PDG1978

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    #333 PDG1978, Nov 23, 2022
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    Interesting to see Mbappe not getting the Sofascore MOTM last night....
    Sofascore on Twitter: "FT | France 4–1 Australia Les Bleus took care of business after HT, as they put the game to bed with two goals in the space of three minutes halfway into the second half. France win their third consecutive opening match at the #FIFAWorldCup! #FRAAUS #Qatar2022 https://t.co/mE29EA6oq0" / Twitter
    I guess the first half brought down his average (despite already a few nice flicks and quite a bit of 'promise'):
    Sofascore on Twitter: "HT | France 2–1 Australia After two goalless matches, we finally saw some goals! Socceroos stunned the reigning world champions at the start, but Les Bleus regained control with two goals in the span of 5 minutes to hold the HT lead. #FRAAUS #Qatar2022 #FIFAWorldCup https://t.co/Rb2JH9bw1k" / Twitter

    I think I had something like an 8.5 in mind for his performance if I did it the 'traditional' way. It'll be interesting to see the media grades (I haven't seen any yet) but I wouldn't be surprised if they were a bit closer to that, and often with him as MOTM I don't think....

    EDIT: I guess there will be a 'big chance missed' that will have counted against him though of course.
     
  9. PDG1978

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    There was another moment where Griezmann (I think) played Mbappe in and he did mis-control though I remember now, so maybe the Sofascore stats/ratings do help reflect that kind of thing. Griezmann seemed less involved and dangerous overall I'd say, but as the key pass numbers show he was coming up with quality final balls, while Rabiot scoring high isn't really surprising given his end product involvements (and generally he played pretty well I think, after an iffy start maybe IIRC).

    I think I'd still be inclined to score Mbappe's performance in the range of 8 to 8.5 anyway myself, but the Sofascore number in this case (as with Maradona vs Bulgaria in 1986 for example) might back-up the school of thought that says forget how flashy or impressive a player seems and concentrate on how decisive he is overall (but probably the system at least under-states the qualitative aspects a bit and the general influence a player can have when in vibrant form - it can only count whether a pass was successful, how many 'dribbles' there were etc, even if maybe the underlying formula has more aspects than the available stats indicate even: I'm not sure for example whether Mbappe would be credited with any 'dribbles' before his assist or not - I guess at least there would be some kind of duel won recorded in that play though).
     
  10. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

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    Yes I agree

    About the graphs posted before from The Athletic
    The problem here is that when the sample is too small the players with the fewer number of games will have the highest averages.
    But when the sample is big the averages tend to be more accurate, and only there is correct to compare averages, for example when you compare the entire career of a player with another, when they have hundreds of games played.

    So basically, the fairest thing to do (when the sample is small) is to compare the averages when the number of games is very similar. That is, compare single world cup campaigns.


    I added more players, some numbers are slightly different, the shots blocked are counted, and only counted the team shots in the games the players played.

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    The percentage multiplied by the number of games
    This is more a "rating", that benefits players that played more games.

    [​IMG]
     
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  11. PDG1978

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    Interesting to see. Hassler didn't take many shots either, so clearly laid on a high percentage of German chances in 1994, like the Sofascore numbers hint at. Not to ask you for a version without players shots being deducted then: but I can see that for example the Italians Pirlo (especially) in 2006 and Giannini in 1990 would move even higher up that way (Xavi from 2010 too, but compared to Pirlo his team took more shots, despite the fact their overall goals tally might be quickly overtaken by Spain 2022 I guess now, so in effect also more that he didn't 'set up').

    I'm guessing Scifo in 1990 would have a lower involvement in setting up chances with final balls than in 1994 then, but Dragan Stojkovic from 1990 is one that comes to mind that perhaps could be worth adding. Also Littbarski (who like I say did show up well in that graph comme posted, but did also play a lot of World Cup games) for 1982 and 1990 I'd think. Laudrup took a low number of shots (and in 1986 less than half the total of his chances created) so with shots not deducted he'd move up (for 1986 above rather than below Zidane 2006 therefore - to be fair he played more as a forward than Zidane comparing those years; for 1998 above rather than below C.Ronaldo 2010 of course too). Off topic for this thread but re: Laudrup I guess I gave you enough to do the goal contribution entry on your thread for 'La Liga' only did I (although to be honest I'm not sure I can add more, so it depends maybe what you could find out about those games I couldn't see any footage for in terms of the goals and who assisted them)?

    Like I say, I'm not conclusively adamant it's better not to deduct the player's shots taken anyway - Giannini 1990 would climb above Hagi 1994 for example, but it's true Hagi was more inclined to shoot and perhaps was more involved in making runs into and around the penalty area too (although Giannini did score a goal doing that himself too of course, but yeah overall he played deeper and more of a traditional midfield role I suppose). With Zico 1982 (and Maradona 1982 actually) it's not so much about their shots taken as about the number of shots their teams took overall.
     
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  12. PDG1978

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    I do think btw that the interesting thing about that graph was that it was a bit wider reaching, and not only based on final balls, but I also think it'd be interesting to see a version for single World Cups only too, indeed.
     
  13. Trachta10

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    Yeah I will try to find those games of Laudrup, now that I have more time.

    Dragan Stojković and Pierre Littbarski added

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    And not deducting the player's shots

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  14. PDG1978

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    Ok thanks, nice work.
     
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  15. Al Gabiru

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    #340 Al Gabiru, Nov 28, 2022
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    Great work on this table, Trachta10

    I noticed that the whoscored, fotmob and sofascore ratings are slightly different. They use the same data as OPTA, but the three have different algorithms. Just a little bit different.

    Unfortunately, whoscored and fotmob doesn't have world cup ratings prior to 2014. Maybe one day they'll have. If so, we could make some similar to metacritic, a review aggregator of sabermetrics sites. Newspaper reviews are also useful. But with some local bias.
     
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  16. Sexy Beast

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    16 games remaining and only Griezmann has been rated 9+ by sofascore (9.0 against Australia).. compared to sofascore ratings in earlier tournaments, players are averaging lower ratings and 10 out of 10 performances, as well as 9+ performances, are increasingly less frequent. That includes last few WCs.

    I think that is for two reasons:
    • retroactive, less detailed rating
    • the worst WC teams are getting actually pretty good now
    It fits the eye test as well.
     
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  17. PDG1978

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    #342 PDG1978, Dec 5, 2022
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    New entry: Jamal Musiala 2022 - 6.3 (59%)

    Joshua Kimmich, Dusan Tadic and Christian Eriksen's key passes/chances created per game (per 90 minutes would be a better stat I think though) are just outside the top 50 all-time (since 1966 I mean of course) I see too - tied with quite a few players, starting with Siggi Held and Igor Chislenko from 1966 (minimum 3 games takes out Gianni Rivera from that year and quite a few others I guess in Sofascore's lists for each year)...and below these below who are ordered by year, but within each year group by the key passes per game numbers....
    (Simoes 1966, Rakosi 1966, Mazzola 1966, Pele 1970, Leon 1970, Van Himst 1970, Overath 1970, Gerson 1970, Challe 1970, Semmeling 1970, Flores 1970, Cruyff 1974, Deyna 1974, Cuellar 1978, Hugo Sanchez 1978, Petrovic 1982, Vercauteren 1982, Giresse 1982, Strachan 1982, Robertson 1982, Rocheteau 1982, Zico 1982, Giresse 1986, Maradona 1986, Careca 1986, Brehme 1990, Michel 1990, Donadoni 1990, Giannini 1990, Stojkovic 1990, Hassler 1994, Valderrama 1994, Ko Jeung-Woon 1994, Scifo 1994, Veron 1998, El-Khalej 1998, Zidane 1998, Figo 2002, Arce 2002, Recoba 2002, Totti 2002, Schneider 2002, Beckham 2002, Appiah 2006, Santa Cruz 2006, Ronaldinho 2006, Pirlo 2006, Xavi 2010, Prince-Boateng 2010, Shaqiri 2014, Pjanic 2014, De Bruyne 2014, Neymar 2018, Trippier 2018, De Bruyne 2018, Kimmich 2018, Al-Faraj 2018)
    As you can see Griezmann is currently ahead of them (Kimmich/Tadic/Eriksen), and Messi level with them, as far as 2022 goes....

    Mehdi Taremi (vs Wales) is joint 25th (edit: joint 10th actually in effect, but along with 17 other players, including Rivera) for key passes in a single game I see also. Griezmann (vs Australia) goes to the top for big chances created in a game, but the data is only there from 2018 of course for that....
     
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  18. PrimoCalcio

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    Has anyone compiled a list of which players have the most MOTM (according to Sofascore) performances in a single WC? It would be interesting to see for comparison's sake.
     
  19. PDG1978

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    I'll give it a go for you mate (I might have even made some posts on the topic before on the thread but I forget exactly what, and maybe it was limited to just 1994 to compare newspaper/magazine 'MOTM awards' or ratings to Sofascore ones...which are obviously going to differ a little from WhoScored and other statistical Opta-based sources of course too in terms of their final calculated grades).

    It is probably best to do it in a complete way, then 'since 1966' tallies can be kept (which is different to 'all-time' of course) too, so I'll start with 1966 (where players are given the same grade for one team, I'll name the player that Sofascore appear to show as MOTM on their graphics, even if not specifically labelling it like that; if there are cases where two players of different teams receive the same top grade for a particular match I'll give them half a MOTM award each though - I can't think of those cases but I haven't been looking for them previously - EDIT Spotted the first one in North Korea vs Chile).

    1966 Sofascore MOTM awards
    Eusebio 3 (9.3 vs Bulgaria, 10 vs Brazil, 10 vs North Korea)
    Ferenc Bene 2 (9.3 vs Brazil, 8.8 vs Bulgaria)
    Bobby Charlton 2 (9.5 vs Mexico, 9.5 vs Portugal)
    Igor Chislenko 1.5 (8.4 vs Italy, 1 shared with 7.5 vs Hungary)
    Luis Artime 1 (8.8 vs Spain)
    Franz Beckenbauer 1 (10 vs Switzerland)
    Tarcisio Burgnich 1 (8.4 vs Chile)
    Jack Charlton 1 (8.2 vs Uruguay)
    Karl Elsener 1 (8.2 vs Spain)
    Helmut Haller 1 (10 vs Uruguay)
    Gerard Hausser 1 (8.2 vs Mexico)
    Geoff Hurst 1 (9.8 vs West Germany)
    Jose Augusto 1 (7.9 vs Hungary) *Note Eusebio was on the same score which is notable I guess given his other top ratings in the tournament, but nevertheless Jose Augusto appears to be picked out as top Portugal player in the game summary
    Lee Chan-Myong 1 (9.2 vs Italy)
    Eduard Malofeev 1 (9.7 vs North Korea)
    Bobby Moore 1 (8.7 vs France)
    Ermindo Onega 1 (8.3 vs Switzerland)
    Pele 1 (8.7 vs Bulgaria)
    Valeriy Porkujan 1 (8.7 vs Chile)
    Pedro Rocha 1 (8.1 vs France)
    Antonio Roma 1 (7.9 vs England)
    Willi Schulz 1 (7.8 vs Argentina)
    Uwe Seeler 1 (8.3 vs Spain)
    Victor Serebryanikov 1 (8.2 vs Portugal)
    Horacio Troche 1 (8.7 vs Mexico)
    Lev Yashin 1 (8.7 vs West Germany)
    Elias Figueroa 0.5 (1 shared with 7.9 vs North Korea)
    Sandor Matrai 0.5 (1 shared with 7.9 vs USSR)
    Pak Seung-Zin 0.5 (1 shared with 7.9 vs Chile)
     
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  20. PDG1978

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    1970 Sofascore MOTM awards
    Gerd Muller 3 (8.2 vs Morocco, 9.4 vs Peru, 9.1 vs Italy)
    Anatoliy Byshovets 2 (9.1 vs Belgium, 9.1 vs El Salvador)
    Jairzinho 2 (9.3 vs Czechoslovakia, 8.6 vs Uruguay)
    Pele 2 (8.9 vs Romania, 9.3 vs Italy)
    Enrico Albertosi 1 (8.1 vs Uruguay)
    Franz Beckenbauer 1 (8.7 vs England)
    Hristo Bonev 1 (8.8 vs Peru)
    Terry Cooper 1 (8.2 vs Czechoslovakia)
    Luis Cubilla 1 (8 vs USSR)
    Teofilo Cubillas 1 (10 vs Morocco)
    Felix 1 (8.3 vs England)
    Maouhoub Ghazouani 1 (8.3 vs Bulgaria)
    Javier Guzman 1 (8.7 vs Belgium)
    Bo Larsson 1 (7.8 vs Israel)
    Sven-Gunnar Larsson 1 (8.4 vs Uruguay)
    Reinhard Libuda 1 (9.9 vs Bulgaria)
    Sandro Mazzola 1 (8.6 vs Sweden)
    Bobby Moore 1 (7.7 vs Romania)
    Juan Mujica 1 (9.3 vs Israel)
    Volodymyr Muntyan 1 (8 vs Mexico)
    Alexandru Neagu 1 (7.8 vs Czechoslovakia)
    Gianni Rivera 1 (8.7 vs Mexico)
    Tostao 1 (10 vs Peru)
    Javier Valdivia 1 (9.8 vs El Salvador)
    Wilfried van Moer 1 (9.9 vs El Salvador)
    Itzhak Vissoker 1 (8.5 vs Italy)
    Horst Wolter 1 (8.8 vs Uruguay)

    Running top 10 since 1966:
    1) Eusebio (Portugal), Gerd Muller (West Germany), Pele (Brazil) - 3
    4) Franz Beckenbauer (West Germany), Ferenc Bene (Hungary), Anatoliy Byshovets (USSR), Bobby Charlton (England), Jairzinho (Brazil), Bobby Moore (England) - 2
    10) Igor Chislenko (USSR) - 1.5
     
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  21. PDG1978

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    Now I think about it, on Twitter maybe Sofascore have been deciding a specific MOTM (and would do even if two players from different teams had the same score I guess). I'm not sure they will have done for every game since 1966 though anyway.
     
  22. PDG1978

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    #347 PDG1978, Dec 29, 2022
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    1974 Sofascore MOTM awards
    Johan Cruyff 6 (9.4 vs Sweden, 9.7 vs Bulgaria, 9.5 vs Argentina, 8.1 vs East Germany, 8.3 vs Brazil, 7.7 vs West Germany)
    Ralf Edstrom 2 (9.5 vs Uruguay, 8.4 vs Yugoslavia)
    Jan Tomaszewski 2 (8.5 vs Sweden, 8.4 vs Brazil)
    Dusan Bajevic 1 (9.6 vs Zaire)
    Hristo Bonev 1 (8.4 vs Uruguay)
    Paul Breitner 1 (8.3 vs Yugoslavia)
    Tarcisio Burgnich 1 (8.2 vs Argentina)
    Jurgen Croy 1 (9.1 vs West Germany)
    Kazimierz Deyna 1 (9.1 vs Italy)
    Emerson Leao 1 (8.9 vs Scotland)
    Robert Gadocha 1 (7.9 vs Yugoslavia)
    Uli Hoeness 1 (9.1 vs Australia)
    Harald Irmscher 1 (8.5 vs Chile)
    Jairzinho 1 (8.9 vs Zaire)
    Joe Jordan 1 (8.7 vs Zaire)
    Bo Larsson 1 (8.5 vs Bulgaria)
    Grzegorz Lato 1 (8.2 vs Argentina)
    Sepp Maier 1 (9.1 vs Poland)
    Gerd Muller 1 (8.6 vs Sweden)
    Luis Pereira 1 (8 vs Yugoslavia)
    Johnny Rep 1 (9.1 vs Uruguay)
    Rivelino 1 (8.5 vs Argentina)
    Gianni Rivera 1 (9.7 vs Haiti)
    Joachim Streich 1 (8.7 vs Argentina)
    Andrzej Szarmach 1 (10 vs Haiti)
    Erberhard Vogel 1 (8.4 vs Australia)
    Berti Vogts 1 (8.4 vs Chile)
    Peter Wilson 1 (8 vs Chile)
    Hector Yazalde 1 (9 vs Haiti)
    Ze Maria 1 (8.3 vs East Germany)
    Enver Maric 0.5 (1 shared with 7.6 vs Scotland)
    Willie Morgan 0.5 (1 shared with 7.6 vs Yugoslavia)

    Running top 17 since 1966:
    1) Johan Cruyff (Netherlands) - 6
    2) Gerd Muller (West Germany) - 4
    3) Eusebio (Portugal), Jairzinho (Brazil), Pele (Brazil) - 3
    6) Franz Beckenbauer (West Germany), Ferenc Bene (Hungary), Hristo Bonev (Bulgaria), Tarcisio Burgnich (Italy), Anatoliy Byshovets (USSR), Bobby Charlton (England), Ralf Edstrom (Sweden), Bo Larsson (Sweden), Bobby Moore (England), Gianni Rivera (Italy), Jan Tomaszewski (Poland) - 2
    17) Igor Chislenko (USSR) - 1.5
     
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  23. PDG1978

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    1978 Sofascore MOTM awards
    Teofilo Cubillas - 2 (9.6 vs Scotland, 10 vs Iran)
    Roberto Dinamite - 2 (8.4 vs Austria, 8.7 vs Poland)
    Dirceu - 2 (8.7 vs Peru, 8.4 vs Italy)
    Mario Kempes - 2 (9.2 vs Poland, 9.9 vs Netherlands)
    Moktar Naili - 2 (8.3 vs Poland, 8.6 vs West Germany)
    Ramon Quiroga - 2 (10 vs Netherlands, 8.6 vs Poland)
    Rob Rensenbrink - 2 (9.7 vs Iran, 9.7 vs Austria)
    Johnny Rep - 1 (8.1 vs Scotland)
    Miguel Angel - 1 (8 vs Brazil)
    Osvaldo Ardiles - 1 (8.1 vs France)
    Roberto Bettega - 1 (8.7 vs Hungary)
    Zbigniew Boniek - 1 (9.2 vs Mexico)
    Julio Cardenosa - 1 (8.5 vs Sweden)
    Ubaldo Fillol - 1 (8.6 vs Brazil)
    Heinz Flohe - 1 (10 vs Mexico)
    Claudio Gentile - 1 (8.6 vs France)
    Nejib Ghommidh - 1 (8.8 vs Mexico)
    Manfred Kaltz - 1 (8 vs Italy)
    Istvan Kocsis - 1 (8.2 vs Argentina)
    Friedrich Koncilla - 1 (8.5 vs Italy)
    Bo Larsson - 1 (8.1 vs Brazil)
    Christian Lopez - 1 (8.8 vs Hungary)
    Jorge Olguin - 1 (8.1 vs Italy)
    Daniel Passarella - 1 (9.6 vs Peru)
    Bruno Pezzey - 1 (8.2 vs Sweden)
    Pirri - 1 (8.1 vs Austria)
    Jan Poortvliet - 1 (8.4 vs Italy)
    Karl-Heinz Rummenigge - 1 (8.7 vs Austria)
    Rene van der Kerkhof - 1 (8.3 vs West Germany)
    Iraj Danayfar - 0.5 (1 shared with 7.8 vs Scotland)
    Joe Jordan - 0.5 (1 shared with 7.8 vs Iran)
    Henryk Maculewicz - 0.5 (1 shared with 7.9 vs West Germany)
    Rolf Russman - 0.5 (1 shared with 7.9 vs Poland)

    Running top 26 since 1966:
    1) Johan Cruyff (Netherlands) - 6
    2) Gerd Muller (West Germany) - 4
    3) Eusebio (Portugal), Teofilo Cubillas (Peru), Jairzinho (Brazil), Bo Larsson (Sweden), Pele (Brazil) - 3
    8) Franz Beckenbauer (West Germany), Ferenc Bene (Hungary), Hristo Bonev (Bulgaria), Tarcisio Burgnich (Italy), Anatoliy Byshovets (USSR), Bobby Charlton (England), Roberto Dinamite (Brazil), Dirceu (Brazil), Ralf Edstrom (Sweden), Mario Kempes (Argentina), Bobby Moore (England), Moktar Naili (Tunisia), Ramon Quiroga (Peru), Rob Rensenbrink (Netherlands), Johnny Rep (Netherlands), Gianni Rivera (Italy), Jan Tomaszewski (Poland) - 2
    25) Igor Chislenko (USSR), Joe Jordan (Scotland) - 1.5
     
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  24. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I'll try to get the 80s done now, and maybe the 90s, then pick up after that another day....

    1982 Sofascore MOTM awards
    Rinat Dasaev - 3 (8.2 vs Scotland, 8.3 vs New Zealand, 7.9 vs Belgium)
    Zbigniew Boniek - 2 (9.8 vs Peru, 9.3 vs Belgium)
    Pierre Littbarski - 2 (8 vs Spain, 8.9 vs West Germany)
    Thomas N'Kono - 2 (8.2 vs Italy, 8.3 vs Peru)
    Michel Platini - 2 (9.4 vs Kuwait, 7.8 vs Czechoslovakia)
    Paolo Rossi - 2 (9.5 vs Brazil, 8.6 vs Poland)
    Zico - 2 (10 vs New Zealand, 8.4 vs Argentina)
    Jozef Mlynarczyk - 1.5 (8.2 vs Italy, 1 shared with 8.4 vs Cameroon)
    Graham Rix - 1.5 (7.7 vs Czechoslovakia, 1 shared with 8.3 vs Spain)
    Gerry Armstrong - 1 (8.4 vs Honduras)
    Salah Assad - 1 (8.9 vs Chile)
    Sergei Baltacha - 1 (7.8 vs Poland)
    Daniel Bertoni - 1 (8.2 vs El Salvador)
    Mehdi Cerba - 1 (8.4 vs West Germany)
    Paulo Roberto Falcao - 1 (7.5 vs Scotland)
    Laszlo Fazekas - 1 (9.8 vs El Salvador)
    Karlheinz Forster - 1 (7.9 vs England)
    Bernard Genghini - 1 (8.9 vs Austria)
    Rafael Gordillo - 1 (8.3 vs Northern Ireland)
    Billy Hamilton - 1 (8.7 vs Austria)
    Glenn Hoddle - 1 (7.9 vs Kuwait)
    Pat Jennings - 1 (8 vs Yugoslavia)
    Friedrich Koncilla - 1 (8.9 vs Algeria)
    Diego Maradona - 1 (10 vs Hungary)
    Mario Osben - 1 (8.5 vs Austria
    Antonin Panenka - 1 (8.2 vs Kuwait)
    Bruno Pezzey - 1 (8.2 vs West Germany)
    Jean-Marie Pfaff - 1 (7.9 vs Argentina)
    Bryan Robson - 1 (9.5 vs France)
    Dominique Rocheteau - 1 (9.4 vs Northern Ireland)
    Karl-Heinz Rummenigge - 1 (10 vs Chile)
    Edhem Sljivo - 1 (8.4 vs Honduras)
    Nenad Stojkovic - 1 (7.8 vs Spain)
    Gordon Strachan - 1 (8.9 vs New Zealand)
    Marco Tardelli - 1 (8.3 vs Argentina)
    Jean Tigana - 1 (8.6 vs Poland)
    Ruben Toribio Diaz - 1 (8 vs Italy)
    Joszef Varga - 1 (7.9 vs Belgium)
    Franky Vercauteren - 1 (8.8 vs El Salvador)
    Hector Zelaya - 1 (8.1 vs Spain)
    Luis Arconada - 0.5 (1 shared with 8.3 vs England)
    Andrei Bal - 0.5 (1 shared with 8.4 vs Brazil)
    Paul Breitner - 0.5 (1 shared with 7.4 vs Italy)
    Eder - 0.5 (1 shared with 8.4 vs USSR)
    Claudio Gentile - 0.5 (1 shared with 7.4 vs West Germany)
    Elle Onana - 0.5 (1 shared with 8.4 vs Poland)

    Running top 34 since 1966:
    1) Johan Cruyff (Netherlands) - 6
    2) Gerd Muller (West Germany) - 4
    3) Zbigniew Boniek (Poland), Teofilo Cubillas (Peru), Rinat Dasaev (USSR), Eusebio (Portugal), Jairzinho (Brazil), Bo Larsson (Sweden), Pele (Brazil) - 3
    10) Franz Beckenbauer (West Germany), Ferenc Bene (Hungary), Hristo Bonev (Bulgaria), Tarcisio Burgnich (Italy), Anatoliy Byshovets (USSR), Bobby Charlton (England), Roberto Dinamite (Brazil), Dirceu (Brazil), Ralf Edstrom (Sweden), Mario Kempes (Argentina), Friedrich Koncilla (Austria), Pierre Littbarski (West Germany), Thomas N'Kono (Cameroon), Bobby Moore (England), Moktar Naili (Tunisia), Bruno Pezzey (Austria), Michel Platini (France), Ramon Quiroga (Peru), Rob Rensenbrink (Netherlands), Johnny Rep (Netherlands), Gianni Rivera (Italy), Paolo Rossi (Italy), Karl-Heinz Rummenigge (West Germany), Jan Tomaszewski (Poland), Zico (Brazil) - 2
     
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  25. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    1986 Sofascore MOTM awards
    Diego Maradona - 4 (9.1 vs South Korea, 8.3 vs Italy, 9.6 vs England, 10 vs Belgium)
    Joel Bats - 2 (8.1 vs Italy, 10 vs Brazil)
    Careca - 2 (8.3 vs Northern Ireland, 8.4 vs Poland)
    Gary Lineker - 2 (9.6 vs Poland, 8.5 vs Paraguay)
    Fernando Quirate - 2 (8 vs Belgium, 8.2 vs Iraq)
    Harald Schumacher - 2 (9 vs Mexico, 8.8 vs France)
    Manuel Amoros - 1.5 (8.2 vs Canada, 1 shared with 8 vs Belgium)
    Klaus Allofs - 1 (8.4 vs Scotland)
    Fernando Alvez - 1 (8.1 vs West Germany)
    Nikolai Arabov - 1 (7.6 vs Italy)
    Frank Arnesen - 1 (7.7 vs Scotland)
    Patrick Battiston - 1 - (8.5 vs Hungary)
    Igor Belanov - 1 (9.5 vs Belgium)
    Jorge Burruchaga - 1 (8.7 vs Uruguay)
    Emilio Butragueno - 1 (10 vs Denmark)
    Roberto Cabanas - 1 (8.5 vs Belgium)
    Ramon Caldere - 1 (8.9 vs Algeria)
    Carlos - 1 (7.9 vs Spain)
    Jose Luis Cuciuffo - 1 (7.7 vs Bulgaria)
    Rogelio Delgado - 1 (7.9 vs Iraq)
    Lajos Detari - 1 (8.1 vs Canada)
    Antonio Di Gennaro - 1 (8.2 vs South Korea)
    Nasser Drid - 1 (8.8 vs Brazil)
    Preben Elkjaer - 1 (10 vs Uruguay)
    Luis Fernandez - 1 (8.1 vs USSR)
    Lars Hogh - 1 (9.3 vs West Germany)
    Said Kaci - 1 (8.7 vs Northern Ireland)
    Abderrazak Khairi - 1 (8.9 vs Portugal)
    Abdelmajid Lamris - 1 (8.3 vs Poland)
    Lothar Matthaus - 1 (8.9 vs Morocco)
    Michel - 1 (7.7 vs Northern Ireland)
    Jozef Mlynarczyk - 1 (8.3 vs Portugal)
    Manuel Negrete - 1 (8.5 vs Bulgaria)
    Oh Yun-Kyo - 1 (8.2 vs Bulgaria)
    Antonio Oliveira - 1 (8.4 vs England)
    Romerito - 1 (8 vs Mexico)
    Juan Senor - 1 (8.5 vs Belgium)
    Gordon Strachan - 1 (7.8 vs Uruguay)
    Mohamed Timoumi - 1 (7.9 vs England)
    Franky Vercauteren - 1 (7.6 vs Iraq)
    Rudi Voller - 1 (8 vs Argentina)
    Pavel Yakovenko - 1 (8.3 vs Hungary)
    Jan Ceulemans - 0.5 (1 shared with 8 vs France)
    Victor Chanov - 0.5 (1 shared with 8 vs Canada)
    Tino Lettieri - 0.5 (1 shared with 8 vs USSR)

    Running top 43 since 1966:
    1) Johan Cruyff (Netherlands) - 6
    2) Diego Maradona (Argentina) - 5
    3) Gerd Muller (West Germany) - 4
    4) Zbigniew Boniek (Poland), Teofilo Cubillas (Peru), Rinat Dasaev (USSR), Eusebio (Portugal), Jairzinho (Brazil), Bo Larsson (Sweden), Pele (Brazil) - 3
    11) Jozef Mlynarczyk (Poland) - 2.5
    12) Joel Bats (France), Franz Beckenbauer (West Germany), Ferenc Bene (Hungary), Hristo Bonev (Bulgaria), Tarcisio Burgnich (Italy), Anatoliy Byshovets (USSR), Careca (Brazil), Bobby Charlton (England), Roberto Dinamite (Brazil), Dirceu (Brazil), Ralf Edstrom (Sweden), Mario Kempes (Argentina), Friedrich Koncilla (Austria), Gary Lineker (England), Pierre Littbarski (West Germany), Thomas N'Kono (Cameroon), Bobby Moore (England), Moktar Naili (Tunisia), Bruno Pezzey (Austria), Michel Platini (France), Fernando Quirate (Mexico), Ramon Quiroga (Peru), Rob Rensenbrink (Netherlands), Johnny Rep (Netherlands), Gianni Rivera (Italy), Paolo Rossi (Italy), Karl-Heinz Rummenigge (West Germany), Harald Schumacher (West Germany), Gordon Strachan (Scotland), Jan Tomaszewski (Poland), Franky Vercauteren (Belgium), Zico (Brazil) - 2

    I'll continue with the 90s sometime tomorrow....
     
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