Breakout Youth Players in MLS/USL [2022 edition]

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Eleven Bravo, Jan 30, 2022.

  1. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Niko is really one for the future.
    [By the way, son of former USYNT coach Shaun Tsakiris.]

    He wasn't released for the ongoing U20 camp/tournament, so we were pretty sure he was going to play a lot this week.

    I mean, Niko was 16 when the season started. Only turned 17 a few months ago.
    Its not some sort of crime that he's only played ~500 minutes for the first team. His playing time has been ramping up. He was the youngest member of our U20 CONCACAF Championships team. He missed a number of first team games while at that event. Almost a month in preparation and then the event itself.

    Just as a comparison, Niko Tsakiris is a year younger than Quinn Sullivan of Philly.
    He's a full two years younger than Jack McGlynn, Caden Clark, Diego Luna, and players we think of as youngsters just breaking thru. His playing time is fine...................
     
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  2. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I said based on the Quakes season being over einstein. They have had single digit probability of making the playoffs since May. And we know in MLS those final playoff spots are pretty much sacrificial lambs. I can tell you as a Quakes fan that in recent history when do make the playoffs it's to go on the road for one game only to be crushed 5-0 by the Whitecaps or whatever. Do you know what the odds of making the playoffs are when the odds are in the single digits? They're in the single digits. That's really really bad odds, in case you are not a statistics whiz. Their season has been over for four months. (Actually it was over after like 4-5 games, but trying to use an objective measure here.) And yet Tsakiris often gets 0 minutes, or 20 minutes at the end of games. You have no idea how much better he would be adjusted to the MLS level by now if he was playing consistently. But of course that won't keep you from giving your reasonable take which weirdly is always whatever is the status quo.
     
  3. xbhaskarx

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    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Could Tsakiris approach starting with a different mentality than getting 20 minutes at the end of some already decided game? I guess we'll never know!
     
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  4. MuchoTakeItEasy

    MuchoTakeItEasy Member+

    LAFC
    United States
    May 16, 2015
    Land of the Free
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I love it! Start him for the rest of the season and see how Lucho rates him
     
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  5. Shaster

    Shaster Member+

    Apr 13, 1999
    El Cerrito, CA, USA
    Got a feel like Pedri.
     
  6. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Shrug. Tsakiris has actually played the same MLS minutes as Quinn Sullivan. Sullivan is older and better.

    How many 2005s have played in MLS this season, and how many have played more minutes than Tsakiris? I think to the second part is Obed Vargas. That's it.

    Anyway, you can call it realism if you want. As if that's an insult. He was 16 when the year started, he's been gone a lot with the U20s (the April camp, June/July at the CONCACAF Championships) and his playing time is now increasing.
     
  7. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #557 xbhaskarx, Sep 27, 2022
    Last edited: Sep 27, 2022
    I have made two comments about this, both of which you have read. Both of them say far less about Tsakiris' abilities and more about the Quakes season having been over for months. And yet both times you completely ignore this aspect of what I'm saying. Let me lay out for you the primary difference between Tsakiris and Quinn Sullivan:

    Niko Tsakiris plays for San Jose who last played a meaningful game in May

    Quinn Sullivan plays for Philadelphia who are contending for multiple trophies

    One of the two worst teams in MLS vs one of the two best teams in MLS.


    Is the other worst team, DC United, giving more minutes to young players than the other best team, LAFC? Why would that be?? Think mcfly think...

    Frankly the Quakes should be playing guys who are nowhere near as good as Tsakiris as well (Bouda, Haji etc, and at least giving minutes to guys like Walls, maybe even a Media debut in the final game), just to see what they have for next season when they play games that actually matter again. On the other hand no reasonable non-youth-focused person could even blame Curtin if he barely played Sullivan while going on to win Supporters Shield or MLS Cup.

    But keep ignoring that realism, obviously if you ignore the context, it will magically not matter...
     
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  8. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gutierrez


     
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  9. xbhaskarx

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    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tsakiris starts again, looks good again, Quakes win 2-0... no one could have predicted such a thing would happen




     
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  10. xbhaskarx

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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #560 xbhaskarx, Oct 2, 2022
    Last edited: Oct 2, 2022
    Luca Sowinski


    the goals


     
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  11. no exit

    no exit Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Nov 20, 2019
    Re: Tsakiris, can't underrate the speed of development with young players. I wasn't particularly impressed at the u20 level and now he's playing a lot more impressively at a higher one. Entirely possible he's just packed a lot of improvement into a very short time.
     
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  12. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Yep. There's a reason why his age was noted.

    It also may be that Niko's a connector-type. Where a Paxten Aaronson is more like Reyna or Pulisic, Niko and a few others are more passing / spacing focused, making the right play, connecting, interplay type of players. Those guys can tend to look better the further up the ladder they go because they rely so much on competence around them.

    Which is all the more impressive he's doing it on the Quakes of all teams.
     
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  13. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For those that watches the Quakes-Loons game last night, how much pressure did Minnesota put on Tsakiris when he was on the ball?

    Be interested to see how he performs against LAFC or RBNY.. Teams that like to press/pressure and deny their opponents time and space on the ball.
     
  14. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    And he just came off of injury.
     
  15. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/who-were-the-best-young-player-performers-in-mls-week-33

    Brian Gutiérrez

    “Guti” was Duran’s chief accomplice, assisting on both of his goals and netting one of his own in 20 devastating second-half minutes.

    Handed the keys to the Fire attack, the 19-year-old homegrown was excellent beyond his years as a central playmaker, playing three key passes and completing 69% of his passes overall as he slashed open the seams in Cincy’s porous defense.

    Like Durán, Gutiérrez also got a boost from international duty, in his case a promising stint with the US Under-20 national team at the Revelations Cup in Mexico City. He’s now up to 2g/7a on the season and if there were any doubts about who the Fire can build around in the long term, Saturday cleared those right up.

    Niko Tsakiris

    The Quakes executed quite an ambush indeed when Minnesota United visited PayPal Park, comprehensively outplaying the playoff chasers in a 2-0 win that is simply disastrous for the Loons. Tsakiris was a quiet cog in that upset, though watch the tape and you might use a different set of adjectives to describe his game.

    Still just 17, Tsakiris was given his first career MLS start in the rescheduled Cali Clasico last weekend, and despite the LA Galaxy’s 3-2 win at Stanford Stadium interim boss Alex Covelo was impressed enough to trot him out again when MNUFC hit town.

    The technical center mid showcased range, vision and the sort of natural comfort on the ball that remains rare among US-reared players. Tsakiris logged 59 touches and two key passes in 73 minutes with an 86% overall pass completion rate. Perhaps most strikingly, he truly seems to be a ‘360-degree’ player, by which I mean that he’s already cultivated levels of vision and awareness beyond his years as he works the engine room.

    This is a modern No. 8 blossoming in the midst of another woeful season in San Jose, and we suspect incoming head coach Luchi Gonzalez will make him a foundational piece in his rebuilding project next year.
     
  16. no exit

    no exit Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Nov 20, 2019
    Not a bad piece, but Boehm misses the important statistical indicators in evaluating Tsakiris's two starts.

    If you combine the two starts together and them average them together, it's pretty impressive.

    Tsakiris gives you .24 xG+xA per 90 -- which is basically what USMNT contender Eryk Williamson gives you per game. He's giving you 6 progressive passes and 8.5ish progressive carries per 90, which is really crazy. (To use Williamson as a convenient benchmark, Eryk gives teams 4.8 passes and 4.75 carries per 90 -- both around 75th percentile marks in MLS.) Go down the list of offensive categories, and Tsakiris's two games are really, really strong.

    Now, I cannot stress enough that it's only two games against, shall we say, less than defensively robust opposition. But the production is really strong and highly notable for a 17-year-old. He looks like a real blue-chip prospect.
     
  17. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    10 RISING TALENTS FROM MLS NEXT PRO

    CHRIS BRADY, CHICAGO FIRE
    Position: GK
    Age: 18

    Okay, I’m sneaking a bonus player onto this list. Chris Brady was, by far, the best goalkeeper in MLS Next Pro in 2022.

    [​IMG]

    It’s a little unfair that the Chicago Fire are selling a talented young goalkeeper to Chelsea and immediately reloading with another one, but it looks like that’s exactly what’s going to happen. Brady is a strong shot-stopper. Teams facing the Fire II scored just 56% of the goals they would expect to score against the average goalkeeper based on shots on target. That’s an insane figure.

    Brady isn’t perfect, but when it comes to the scoreline, nothing goalkeepers do matters nearly as much as their ability to keep the ball out of the back of the net. And based on this season, the 18-year-old is really good at that. With Gaga Slonina heading to Europe, Brady should get to stake his claim as an MLS starter next season. Unsurprisingly, European teams are already interested.
     
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  18. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    sounds like Chris Brady will be getting his first start
     
  19. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member+

    mine
    United States
    Aug 31, 2017
    More and more minutes is not automatically the best thing for a young player like Tsakiris. He's played plenty of soccer since he signed as a pro, and 500 MLS minutes sounds like a pretty good load for a kid who will still be 17 at the start of next season.
     
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  20. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    DC will start the kids

     
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  21. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I do wonder if a lot of our young players have been overplayed leading to a lot of injuries.
     
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  22. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  23. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    A bunch of homegrown signings have been occurring the last couple of days.

    Wanna feel old? Charlotte has signed an '08. He was recently called up to the U16 national team.
     
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  24. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    10 youngest signings in MLS history:
    [​IMG]
    Aside from Adu, all are from the last few years... other recent signings just missed the top ten list, Cincy signed Stiven Jimenez, "The 15-year-old is the youngest player in FCC history"... Someone said Alphonso Davies was the 3rd youngest signing when he was signed in 2016.
     
  25. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Hopefully we see more US prospects playing on lower division teams in the future... how many have we really had so far, Kobi Henry and now Josh Wynder... Diego Luna and maybe Jose Gallegos although they don't feel like the same level...
     

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