The Real Reboot Thread: Road to WC22

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  1. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Raul is the only Spanish footballer I genuinely like. Fernando Torres and David Villa can both go fvck themselves, because I'll never forget when Torres took a dive in the group stage match against Chile leading to the Chilean player who supposedly fouled him being sent off in what I consider the most unjust red card ever, and David Villa slapped a Honduran player yet everyone turned a blind eye. This incidents are evidence that the 2010 World Cup was rigged in Spain's favour.
     
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  2. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Dont know about you guys but Flick was also assistant under Loews regime which slowly phased out the mentality monster in the National team to bring in the more total football in to the equation.

    A year into his reign but the defiances are still the same, the team crack under any sign of pressure wich is more mental than technical issue. Maybe Kuntz whose characteristics were very strong mentally as a player and even his teams were dam hard to beat at under 21's could have been the right choice?
     
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  3. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Those calls for Magath to take over as NT coach don't sound unreasonable come to think of it, as he'd bring back that old school fighting mentality.
     
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  4. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    there was so many bullshit calls that all went for Spain and also against us, Muller suspension for Spain match.

    honestly always bust chops of
    Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Cole, Terry, Owen, Scholes, Ferdinand, Beckham, etc for being Golden Gen of flops who won nothing LMAO

    but the Spanish 2008-2012 Generation of Tiki sleeping footy Taka of
    Casillas, Ramos, Puyol, Xavi, Torres, Iniesta, Villa, Frabregas, Pique, Alsonso, Silva, etc I'm sorry not sorry but they all come off as arrogant unlikeable, douchy, A-Holes. Villa and Torres had such a douche vibes about them.:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

    Spain 2008-2012 are still the most obnoxious winners ever.

    France teams come off as A-Holes for off-field things but the Spaniards on field.

    2014 WC was amazing as it gave us our 4th star but also amazing to see Dutch help eliminate Spain in GS and end the Spainish dominance!!!!
     
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  5. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    guys QF exit is progress!!!!
    2018 WC=GS
    2020 Euro=R16
    202 WC=QF

    we are advancing by 1 level!!!!


    I think mentality monsters is basically a thing that died with the Dark Times 1.0 era players aka Kahn, Ballack, Frings etc core. The newer generation tend to be more weak mentality. Just see how in most NT levels, we are shit at PKs. Look at the God awful 2016 Euro shootout vs Italy (thank you Zaza, LOL).. This Summer 2022, 2005 born u17 Euro, I switched off moment it went PKs knowing we would lose, LMAO.

    it feels like the Dark Times 1.0 players might not have been as skilled but made up for it IN OTHER WAYS. Unlike current crop who have the skills/potential but lacking in important areas.

    its funny that they say for youth to make 1BL its 50% skills+50% mentality yet for us in NT, mentality seems like non-existant.

    Given how Kuntz is flopping with Turkey vs Luxemburg and Faroe Islands, its a good thing he's not our coach tbh. He might have done well in mentality field but showing his limits at Senior NT.

    I wish DFB would hire someone who think about mental state of things. Most dfb assistant coaches are yes men too.
     
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  6. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    What if Bierhoff on about......
    what Top country will be free during International Break? They'll be busy with Euro 2024 Euro qualifiers, LOL.



    Bierhoff confirmed
    DFB team refrains from guest role in European Championship qualifiers – more strong friendly opponents

    The German national team will not play a guest role in qualifying for the 2024 home European Championship. Oliver Bierhoff confirmed to the "Redaktionsnetzwerk Deutschland" that the team of national coach Hansi Flick will only play test matches in preparation for the tournament.

    “As hosts of the EM 2024, we are already qualified for the final round in summer. This gives us the greatest possible flexibility when designing the international match phases next year and we can optimally prepare for the EM 2024 against several strong test match opponents," said the Managing Director of the national teams and academy in the German Football Association.

    Theoretically, EM host Germany could have played in one of the groups without a rating. World Cup hosts Qatar last did this in qualifying for the finals of the World Cup on their own country. But that would have had the disadvantage that the DFB selection could not choose their opponents themselves. The draw for the European Championship qualification will take place on October 9th in Frankfurt am Main.
    https://www.transfermarkt.de/dfb-te...-spielstarke-testspielgegner/view/news/411833
     
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  7. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    So far the only current German coach who's shown monster mentality is Jürgen Klopp, although he's adamant that he'll retire from football altogether once he turns 60, so I very much doubt he'd be interested in the NT, in addition to statements he's made about the NT being only a few days a year and he prefers the day-to-day work of club football.
     
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  8. rj123

    rj123 Member

    The team with the most German NT players
    Germany
    Nov 21, 2010
    Winnipeg, MB
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Gonna pull off a Schweinsteiger?
     
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  9. rj123

    rj123 Member

    The team with the most German NT players
    Germany
    Nov 21, 2010
    Winnipeg, MB
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I'm forced to agree, the last 2 games have shown to me that the team needs more work to function as a team. It's team work and team spirit that was Germany's strength. If there was a longer training camp like in a normal WC, maybe a chance. But the time to train together is too short. I would be happy with a getting out of GS and a decent R16 performance.
     
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  10. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    I also hope the combined forces of Germany, Japan and Costa Rica are enough to knock Spain off the World Cup right then and there.

    A long term effect that really gets under my skin is that ever since the 2010 World Cup Spain have been acting as if they are the be-all and end-all of world football.
     
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  11. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I agree that the current generation can’t be described as mentality monsters like previous generations but surely players can still develop a winning mentality to a certain extent at club level where they spend most of their time?

    Look how many players in the squad have won league titles, CL’s etc, that experience must mean something when it comes to big matches?
     
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  12. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Let's see. Germany's current players with CL title are: Neuer (x2), ter Stegen, Müller (x2), Süle, Kimmich, Goretzka, Gnabry, Rüdiger, Havertz and Werner which brings the total number to ten, and I don't think Germany has had this many CL winners in their NT since the 1970s. Musiala doesn't count because he didn't play a single minute of Bayern's 2019-20 CL campaign even if he was given a medal.

    But based on that alone I think it would be a real waste if this current crop goes trophyless at NT level, and I'm pretty sure Gündogan in particular is desperate for an international trophy and doesn't want to go down in history as another Michael Ballack.
     
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  13. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    what if I said that Mustafi boosted the XI back in 2014 WC.

    He was sooo good with 0 mistakes that it inspired the rest of the team to be viligiant at all times.

    I totally recall, Mustafi having to save the ass of other teammates.:whistling::whistling::whistling:


    Although current crop have a winning mentality what they lack is that fighter mentality.

    Said this in past but one thing that boosted Kuntz's U21 was a lot of players he called up were from 1BL bottom and 2BL promotion fighting players. That's type of club that creates fighting mentality from players. ALL matches WITHOUT exception are IMPORTANT.

    the big clubs more likely to make you complicent tbh. Oh we dominate all matches, let's take it easy.
     
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  14. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    OK, I just did some fact-checking, and it turns out this is the German NT with the most CL winners EVER.

    The German NT that won the 1974 World Cup had six European Cup winners total: Maier, Beckenbauer, Schwarzenbeck, Kappelmann, Breitner, Hoeneß and Müller. That number was reduced to four in the 1976 Euro (Meier, Beckenbauer, Schwarzenbeck and Hoeneß).

    So yeah, this current crop better get their shit together and win something at NT level.
     
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  15. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I mean
    -Neuer,, Muller=WC14
    -ter Stegen, Sule, Kimmich, Goretzka,Rudiger, Werner=CC17

    Havertz is odd man out, lol.

    sure CC is irrelevant but thanks to them we at least won it once and last one ever. It allows us to not have any holes in cabinet.
     
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  16. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Don't forget Ginter, who was part of both the 2014 and 2017 squads.

    I know the CC was irrelevant, but I suspect it has more personal value for Ginter as he played an active role in that tournament whereas he sat on the bench for the entirety of the 2014 World Cup.
     
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  17. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    BTW, the 2014 squad is tied with the 1974 squad in terms of CL winners being six as well: Neuer, Boateng, Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Kroos, Khedira and Müller.
     
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  18. dabny

    dabny Member

    Anderlecht
    Belgium
    Apr 5, 2019
    dont know how reliable these reports are but it gives a positive vibe that wirtz will likely be in qatar


    https://bulinews.com/news/14592/flick-plans-include-wirtz-world-cup-squad

    Sport Bild reports that Florian Wirtz, who is currently recovering from a long-term injury, is expected to be called up to Germany's World Cup.

    Wirtz hasn't featured for Leverkusen since he suffered a cruciate ligament rupture back in March.

    The 19-year-old only recently made his return to training and is scheduled to be able to train with his teammates on a regular basis in mid-October.

    But even if Wirtz doesn't get to play 90 minutes regularly ahead of the World Cup, Flick is planning to call the youngster up if he's deemed fit enough, per the report.
     
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  19. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Wirtz back would be a big boost for us and so would Adeyemi too.


    Now for Musiala X4
    1-Dribbling in NL #1 from All. Although personally would axe #2, no offense but Georgia is NL League C.

    Players who completed the most dribbles in the UEFA Nations League group stage (approval):
    Jamal Musiala: 18 (78 %)
    Khvicha Kvaratskhelia: 18 (55 %)
    Kyllian Mbappé: 17 (41 %)
    Musiala started in just 3 games with an average of just 48 minutes per game!


    2-Who scored #1 rated Young in Europe 100% Wirtz would be on list if he was fit


    3-Voted MOTM
    MUSIALA IS "PLAYER OF THE ENGLAND GAME"
    "Jamal has shown what an extraordinary talent he is. He helps us defensively and offensively. He's good for us," said national coach Hansi Flick after the turbulent 3-3 (0-0) win over England about youngster Jamal Musiala. The agile midfielder, nicknamed "Bambi", was one of the match winners of the classic final of the Nations League in his former homeland with his dribbling and his high intensity.

    During the game on Monday, Musiala was decisively brought down in the English penalty area and was awarded a penalty, which Ilkay Gündogan converted to make it 1-0 for the German team. The reward: The fans on

    DFB.de voted Jamal Musiala player of the England game.
    In the vote for the national team fan club, Musiala received 45.8 percent of the votes cast. He ended up just ahead of double goal scorer Kai Havertz with 44.8 percent, third was Marc-André ter Stegen (5.9 percent).
    https://www.dfb.de/news/detail/musiala-ist-spieler-des-england-spiels-244526/

    4-Musiala and Messi
    Lothar Matthäus said that Musiala can become the best player on the planet at some point in the future, to which the 19-year-old former England international reacted to by saying that he needs to work on himself and improve his consistency like the Raumdeuter himself Thomas Müller.

    ”I have to work a lot on myself,” Musiala said (as captured by @iMiaSanMia). “Look at Thomas Müller, how consistent he’s been at the top level for years. That’s my goal, consistency and to develop.”

    Lothar is obviously raving over Musiala, with the former going as far as to
    compare him to a living legend: former FC Barcelona and current Paris Saint-Germain superstar Lionel Messi.

    For Musiala, it’s a massive shout that is reflective of his abilities and skill. “I think my dribbling in tight spaces led Lothar Matthäus to this comparison,” said Musiala. “Messi’s game is at a fantastic level, so it’s an incredible honor for me when an expert like Lothar Matthäus sees a small facet of my game in him.”
    https://www.bavarianfootballworks.c...red-lionel-messi-chelsea-barcelona-psg-muller
     
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  20. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Honestly I would start the kid in WC22. He's in form and we need his dribbling. I think guys more into speed would work better vs tired legs.

    would have been curious if Wirtz never got injured if him and Musiala would have both brokenthrough XI or not.

    they are NOTHING like Podolski and Basti but I do feel like their emergence during Dark Times 2.0 is similar to Podli+Basti emergence during Dark Times 1.0.

    been shit for awhile, looking somewhat bleakish in Senior NT. Then bunch of teenagers emerge who are future.

    I mean in Euro 2004 saw emergence of Poldi, Basti, Lahm. This WC22 could see emergene of Wirtz, Musiala, Adeyemi and Bella-Kotchap (I think could make WC squad as bench player and still play U21 Euro in Summer to gain International exp in XI).

    funny enough what followed was WC 2006 at HOME, what follows is Euro 2024 at HOME, lol.
     
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  21. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    I sincerely hope that unlike the 2006 World Cup, Euro 2024 ends with Germany lifting the Henri Delaunay trophy at the Olynpiastadion Berlin, because like I posted earlier, 28 years is far too long of a wait, besides they have to pull as far away from Spain as possible.

    I also hope Germany retain the current kit design for the Euro because otherwise this cycle would be far too short for such an amazing kit, and this is most definitely a kit worthy of a tournament winning team, which I very much doubt will happen this December.
     
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  22. BandB

    BandB Member

    Bayern Munich
    Germany
    Nov 30, 2020
    In six weeks before WC, I am seriously thinking Moukoko may have a shot for WC if he manage to be on starting XI for Dortmund. Reus is injured, Reyna is unhealthy plus Modeste is shit. Not many options for Dortmund.

    If he scores some goals in the Bundes and UCL may be he will be an option for Germany, the kid is definitely the best CF in all Germany's CF pool.
     
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  23. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I doubt it, he showed in U21 that he still has things to work on his game. Although continues to show very good dribbling and movement, he needs to improve his all-round game 1st. Things that would require a full season of game time min.

    6 weeks just isn't enough time, its rushing him and at every International break he has some fitness/injury issue. He's not even 18 y/o let the kid dev in peace, let his body not overdo it.

    even Terzic says things like Moukoko is impatient and overdoes things. Like even Dortmund thinks although all potential in world, he's still a rough diamond that needs polishing.

    that's not good enough for WC, and there is no point on wastiing a WC spot on a kid who isn't ready now and lacks exp and has yet to have a breakout season in XI.

    for now its clear CF options will drift towards
    Werner, Havertz, Adeyemi, Nmecha, Berisha (I think more likely post WC tbh. Although impressing in 1BL its his 1st season in top 4 league. 3 months might not be enough time, But post WC, nothing but friendlies), Fullkrug

    the Tigges, Dietz, Zoller, Polter, Terodde, Petersen/Stindl etc at this point are just depth options. I do think its a shame how we wasted Stindl's potential post CC17.

    Flick leaving door open to Fullkrug says that if any "newb" gets a chance it's him.

    I get Moukoko desire a lot have but I prefer to leave the kid alone.Moukoko is also one of the many interesting youth CF that we have will be fun seeing how they all do and dev and who manages to make Senior NT. The more of them show Senior NT potential the merrier, increase slowly growing pool of options.

    On another note, talking about Lewa playing for Germany could have been a huge boost. Shouldn't be conflated with any CF playing for Germany will make a difference. There is a difference between a world class complete CF and what we have.

    Like I see some online+media legit think all of Germany's issues would go away if a big and physical CF that veers towards Classical CF like Fullkrug gets called up. Thats a bit delusional and Fullkrug has 0 International exp. And CF is still down the line when it comes to NT issues. For me, CF makes no difference if TONS of issues pop up everywhere behind CF. Fix the D, M, non-CF attacking and then bring up CF.
     
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  24. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Some excellent points. Can see Hansi taking a bolter to the world cup, the media have already picked up on that.
     
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  25. Dage

    Dage Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Stindl has s very good season though. He also is no dead weight as a squad player because he has great leadership skills. He also can be played on every offensive position. Wouldn't be the worst decision in my eyes.
     
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