German Fraulein National Team 2020 & beyond

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by hotjam2, Feb 26, 2020.

  1. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    1st goal wasn't as clean as I originally thought, 2nd goal a great piece of individual wide play, 3rd goal was an impressively misplaced attempted cross, and the 4th goal a simple open net finish from her being in the right place after the ball would ricochet of the post from another players shot.

    So besides the one assist to Magull on the 2nd goal... please show me where Buhl's 3 goals didn't owe a huge amount of debt to genuine fortune/luck....:whistling:

    Oh... and not once did I say Popp was "amazing" either. With me instead simply stating how she's probably correct in her own belief her best role for this team as a forward. Me only further expanding on why this could be correct, if you compare how much better her general movement is, in allowing others around her to increase their involvement in the attack too.
     
  2. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Again... I have absolutely no idea where this view of MVT being tactically intelligent is coming from lol, but it continues to read like your just trying to attach higher meaning, or signs of intelligence, to basic factors of a game your not comfortable with...:cautious:

    I mean, at no stage was Germany's disappointing 2019 exit ever based on MVT's supposed needless experimentation...:confused: Germany leaving 2019's WC showcasing very mediocre football, having previously gone through a poor WC in Canada with Neid, and a poor Euro's in the Netherland's with Jones.

    Stating MVT not an elite wnt coach shouldn't be considered heresy, when she following Jones slide, and doing so without any genuine evidence to showcase how this statement of her mediocrity not being true. Lots of great, and good club coaches, couldn't transition their success to international football, so far MVT's wnt career no different.
     
  3. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Germany's U-19's also lost in the EXACT same fashion once again... this time going down 1-2 having 19 shots on goal compared to Norway's total 5 lol.

    This probably shows why you don't construct a new team with younger/less experienced players days before a tournament starts...:rolleyes:, but given their performances, this still appears to have been a good test for a host of new players, who'll likely all return stronger for the next u-19 WC qualification cycle.

    Now... we'll see if the new u-19 coach can redeem herself with her first u-20's tournament...:cautious:
     
  4. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    Batfink@ so watching the full replay of the Denmark/Norway; both sides seem to be holding back—and not indicative of at their best(thus making it hard to scout). DEN didn’t even play Svava or Nadeem. Started the unknown Balsinger over the vet Boye at central CB. Started both Holmgard twins(though only one gets significant playing time at TP). Seemed they were mostly powered by Harder’s lone wolf drives at AM. Though she took several shots, she was better at getting well timed passes off, though her upfront fwds could not put the final shots away. Taking it that Oberdorf will have to guard Harder, but here it feels MVT needs to revert to 2 DM defense ala Wolfsburg, just to be on the save side.
    Norway didn’t look that much better, very dependent on their big name players. Using what you think would be an outdated 4-4-2 formula and then using Hansen as an straight up, striker instead of an winger , feels out place. For her part, Hegerberg took some harmless medium range shots, while well covered by DEN’s defenders. Reiten got both their goals but centrally, straight up, wing attack was not prominent by both sides.
    So I definitely feel if Germany is playing at it best, they should win against both opponents(as both sides don’t have the amount of quality players that Germany’s got)

    another score that came in England 4 Switzerland 0 with the Lioness only getting their first goal at thr 2nd half/55th minute mark. Haven’t watch yet, but obviously score wise Germany outperformed the usual offensive minded English. But the Swiss already receiving their ‘baptism of fire’ might of made them an better team. Wiegman might of been holding back.

    going back to the Swiss game, if MVT going to use the 4-3-3, she’s got to make both wingers equally as dangerous; either by design or Huth didn’t feel confident enough to take on the Swiss defenders, but the right side wing attack was noticeably missing. Otherwise MVT had the squad well prepared, but again, it’s like Forest Gump & his box of chocolates; with MVT, you never know what your going to get!
     
  5. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany

    Switzerland on the same level as Netherlands (1:5 vs England):unsure::p
     
  6. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    I don't believe either of us really knows these wnt's players/tactics, to decide how much they're "holding back" during pre tournament friendlies....:unsure:.

    But from the little I do know... I see both sides using a lot of what would be considered 1st team starters, in a very closely contested match Denmark would actually end up creating a few more chances during their defeat.

    I mean... I don't even believe Svava, or Boye, very strong individually, but know their names more prominently than the other players who might replace them. And this can be said for a host of players who you simply don't know yet, but could be considered better (or worse) than various squad options with higher status...:unsure:
     
  7. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    She started in a three player attack, still featuring two of their most high profile forwards. So looking at Denmark's past results, rather than believing this is them holding back, we might simply be witnessing how they typically play; Denmark not being a side who scores a lot of goals.

    Yes... and no... as I agree MVT forcing Oberdorf into a DM pivot role right now another mistake; tasking her with covering more defensive roles she's honestly never shown genuine aptitude within.

    Starting Lattwein - Oberdorf in a low block CM duo just makes far more sense. Especially knowing how both will play the game very quickly, but also feature data that validate both combining together as two of the best CM's in Europe.
     
  8. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    I wish it was this easy to asses games lol. Unfortunately for Germany, teams like Denmark and Norway, have stronger identities which can help them alleviate any issues in national talent depth.

    On talent alone, obviously Germany should have a strong team right now, but dealing with years of coaching/tactical deficiencies, have seen this program handicap it's own talent pool.

    Take a look at Gwinn's play...:whistling: The way MVT has this team set up, still appears to be in the mode of 4-2-3-1, where it focuses on FB's assisting the wingers in attack.
     
  9. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Hmmm.... Remove Bühl's rather fortuitous trio of goals, and England's result actually looks a little better in some aspects...:whistling:

    Seriously though, it appears Switzerland created more dangerous chances against England, but then conceded more shots on goal than they did facing Germany. So....
    [​IMG]
     
  10. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    #1235 hotjam2, Jul 2, 2022
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    friendly score from yesterday
    Spain 1, Italy 1
    the Italians pounds every time Spain’s famed center mids got the ball, able to create a fair amount of turnovers & counters. They might of allowed the Spainierd’s to control the outside passing lanes, but kept their back line deep enough as not to let cross kicks or high balls become burdensome. Spain’s now been criticized if depending too heavily on Putellas & not enough teamwork
    Interesting that Italy actually lost an WC qualifier to Switzerland last November against the Swiss who had the near same lineup vs Germany!
    ……………………..
    The other major news from yesterday could just cloud the Dutch chances; famed coach Tessa Pauw, came out with an story that she was raped by 3 times by male team mates while growing up & playing on inter gender teams. This could shake things up if more females now come out with similar accounts, but it goes to show that women needs to have their own teams/ own identity
     
  11. hotjam2

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    finally got the English version, so slightly different story I guess Vera was raped by Dutch officials rather than team mates
    Vera Pauw: Republic of Ireland boss reveals rape and assault in Dutch football - BBC Sport
     
  12. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Good for Italy... but I see Spain had 72% possession, 21 shots, 7 of those being on target. Vs Italy's 5 shots, 1 of those being on target...:speechless: Sooooo, why are you celebrating this, as if it's a sign of Germany's best path towards success...?
     
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  13. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    When I see the CM options available to MVT, Germany should not be seeking to back down to the mid-field battle they'll be facing against Spain's celebrated CM trio 3.

    In my opinion, praising Italy's a path to produce a 1 - 1 draw against Spain, in a match they had so much less of the ball, doesn't really have any cross over to the way Germany play under the stewardship of MVT.

    Germany with MVT showing ZERO signs of being tactically strong, or organized defensively (like Italy), with the ability of being genuinely dangerous in creating chances through a dynamic transition style.

    I still believe MVT will need her team gaining some form of possession if they want to finally best a rival top 10 rated wnt like Spain...:cautious:
     
  14. Batfink

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    It's also interesting knowing that Germany actually lost to Serbia in April. Serbia drawing 1-1 with Switzerland the last time they faced each other....
    [​IMG]
     
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  15. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    The first two matches for Germany at these Euro's, will probably define their entire tournament. They lose both, or can't find a win in either match, they not only find themselves in a unprecedented position of leaving before the knock out stages, but do so with MVT still not besting any wnt of prominence.

    Unlike most coaches, MVT leading a wnt with a legacy which still makes them a major scalp for opponents to try their best to claim, but currently facing a downward spiral that will see them fighting for the respect opponents during these Euro's too.

    After the horror show of the mini tournament in England, it's almost imperative Germany start this tournament with a solid win Vs Denmark, and take that confidence into a very important test of their genuine standing Vs Spain.
     
  16. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Despite the poor displays, I still believe MVT has access to kinds of talent rivals would be smart to respect. But without more credible warm up matches, using their recent form as the only barometer of potential, I don't think anyone knows what Germany's wnt will look like until they actually start the tournament...:unsure:
     
  17. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Well the DFB president hasn't set any expectations on where the wnt finish at these Euro's, or seem to care how the perform... so I think this may confirm MVT will remain her position regardless of results in this latest tournament.
     
  18. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    And looking around at various media coverage discussing the Euro's best teams/players to watch, I feel like one of Germany's major issues continues to be indirectly identified; this being, does Germany have match true winners...:cautious:

    Few media really mentioning/knowing the importance of Bühl. Oberdorf, Hendrich. Instead highlighting names like Schüller, Däbritz, or Brand, as names to watch. To me only highlighting Germany's strange inability to construct a team with a clear identity.

    While it's obvious Germany has numerous players who will place the team in a great position to win a matches, I'm also seeing people look at this team without an identity, and ask... where, and who are it's match winners... without a clear answer.
     
  19. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    I still identify Oberdorf as this teams best player... but she's not a match wining prospect playing as a DM pivot, or within double 6 role. Bühl the most obvious goal threat in MVT's system, but at 21 still hasn't shown an ability to take over and win tight games that are still in the balance.

    Waßmuth has proven to be a legit goal threat at an elite level for Wolfsburg, but isn't a regular starter or a goal scorer for the national team. As Brand emerging into a major offensive talent, but like so many on this team, a far better facilitator of creating chances, rather than a scorer her self.

    I don't believe Germany require individual stars to go deep, or even win tournaments. But if this side to be successful, it appears someone will probably need to elevate themselves to a new level, previously unseen from them within a national team jersey...:unsure:
     
  20. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    #1245 Batfink, Jul 4, 2022
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    For the 3rd consecutive match, Germany's u19 managed to completely dominate their opponents on chances created, but this time needing 35 shots, 12 of those on target, to score 3 goals in a win against England...o_O:confused:

    After thinking they'd accomplished a margin of victory enough to send them through, they would eventually find out a 1-0 win for Norway Vs Sweden the result to see them exit the tournament 3rd place in the group.

    Germany producing a combined 77 shots in 3 games, facing opponents who would only create a combined total of 11 shots against them lol. Even if this u19 Euro has no WWC qualification implications, they honestly 100% only have themselves to blame for exiting before the semi finals.
     
  21. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Bayern Munich's Kett, was a one of the new names introduced to this u19 team, I felt would benefit most from this tournament; as this tournament another step up in quality for a highly rated young player, who's coming club season has her taking an even bigger step forward, being introduced into Bayern's first team squad.

    In the arena of impressive young wingers though, it appears Mattner-Trembleau would steal the focus of attention here. The First Vienna FC player proving to be Germany's best attacking threat, I suspect she won't be remaining at First Vienna FC too much longer now lol.
     
  22. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Finland 0:2 defeat in Netherlands
     
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  23. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    Didn’t look like Finland will be an contender, as they didn’t have much going for them cept for their athleticism. They were missing the only field player that I knew; an decent CB named Kiukka who plays for the Portland Thorns(so possibly trained by Nadine Angerer!). The only worry in GER/FIN match if MVT channels her inner Gallai(HOF’s oddball coach) like in the Canada match where she had her team back pass to the GK like an zillion times only to let the Canadians take charge, score early & just sit back the rat of the match against MVT’s slow moving offense,
    Holland’s coach keeps playing Roord & Jansen out of their normal Wolfsburg positions. And that’s not an good idea, as he’s getting nothing out of them. Roord needs to be switched back to AM than right side winger/she probably should take place of Spitse, who’s an miserable defensive field player & only cred is she takes accurate free kicks, but then you got Jansen for that, yet Jansen’s lack of speed is showing as left FB. The coach decided not to pick van de Sanden for the squad, which is probably an mistake, as we’ve seen VDS in the past suddenly show up & contribute(WOB/Chelsea 2nd game comes to mind).
    Holland had an lackluster previous game as well against the no creds/just back from being banned, Belarus.
     
  24. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    so with all the warm up games out of the way, Germany’s 7-0 win of the Swiss might of been the strongest showing of any Euro teams this last month! But got the feeling knowing else was trying to play with the same intensity that Germany displayed;
    (rather, saving it for the actual Euro matches) as I didn’t see England show an press in their friendly vs Switzerland.

    Also got wonder if Germany can keep up it’s up tempo game(like they did vs the Swiss) through 6 games?(and that’s even with an deep bench). So worry here that MVT revert back to her deliberate passing schemes, which ends with an much slower paced attack up front. She also needs to find someone else than just Buhl, when in quick transitioning(both Schuller & Huth failed in this capacity vs the Swiss), meaning an double edge attack needs to be found, otherwise going to Buhl will become very predictable & opposite defenses will be zeroing in on that.

    On the pro; I did like that both CB’s & FB’s came to each other’s aid on defense. This is something I barely seen before, as often in the past German defenders get isolated & easily beat 1v1. And hopefully Hendrich plays every game, she’s by far Germany’s best defender(she wasn’t part of the Serbian & Canadian disasters).

    Denmark will mostly stick with its 3 CB’s, so they can easily stick 2 defenders(with the aid of an FB) on either flank, thus GER will mostly need to get some scoring input from it’s central mids.

    the hidden factor too is how well is the squad conditioned? As the hard pressing/quick transition is really only way to go, but will expand a lot of energy. But on the bright side, Peloton, the high end, stationary bike company is an major sponsor of the team, so maybe that will help! lol
     
  25. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    so some good news for Germany in sorta of an bad way. Alexis Putellas sprained her knee in training & will be out for possible duration of the Euros.
    I was kinda skeptical when Putellas was awarded the Ballon D’Or last year, but seeing more of her lately, she’s definitely deserved being called poy, taking charge & leading goal scorer, at least for her NT
     

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