Moultrie Case- Age Requirements?

1. Do you see OM as a professional who is occupying a roster spot that should be measured vs other options

or

2. A developmental player whose minutes are part of some bigger plan to eventually have a game changing player by X.

 

Who are other 16-year olds who could be starting players in the NWSL? What are their accomplishments? Why are they not on the U20 National Team?

 

I will not name juveniles on a public message forum so they can be critiqued by grown adults. As I said, unlike OM, they are choosing the more typical route, so I will respect their age. But, I have seen OM live with and against these players. OM lacks their athleticsim, pace and creativity. You will see this in due time. OM is solid and has done well for her age, but she is not a special player.

By special, I mean a midfielder who can take over a game, who can beat players one v one, who can score brilliant goals.

 

That's what I was thinking. It is interesting to hear the different perspectives on this player. Time will tell.

 

You just did, with Moultrie, what you said you are trying to avoid having other grown adults do.

 

You are critiquing this juvenile with that exact post. Some people aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed.

 

*I won’t name them so they can be criticized, but I’ll be critical if another minor and use initials instead of writing her name*

 

No. I said that the others are juveniles who chose to go the youth to college route so I was not going to name them. Moultrie is a pro, playing with grown women. That changes things drastically.

"unlike OM, they are choosing the more typical route, so I will respect their age."

 

Nope. See my response above.

 

You make a distinction that does not make a difference. 16 year olds are 16 year olds. The teens you supposedly have in mind are out there putting themselves forward for college scholarships, going to showcases, creating videos of themselves playing in order to advance their careers, etc., etc. They gave up their soccer innocence a long time ago. If you still want to protect them, that is your right, but Olivia is in the same boat as they are.

My suspicion is that you do not really have anyone who can compare to her. You made a false assertion, cannot back it up, and now are trying to worm your way out of it because you know who you have in mind will not stand up in a comparison. And, if there is someone who is 16 who already is a US U-20 and NWSL starting-level player, please tell us who she is, we would love to get a look at her playing.

 

Ditto. It seems to me that there are people posting on this thread who have a specific agenda against Moultrie and are willing to bend over backwards to support the said agenda, although I can't even begin to figure what their actual motivations are for doing that.

 

"You make a distinction that does not make a difference." You should add, 'in your opinion'. You are not the gospel here. OM is a professional. There is a significant difference. Not only do I have players I could easily name, many of the YNT players in her age group feel the same way. She created her opportunity through her parents, litigation, etc. She has made the most of it. But, she did not get there because she was the best player in her age group.

The fact that you want me to name kids on here is a bit creepy to be honest. Sorry I even entered this discussion. For the record, I did not create this thread on OM either. But, again, she is a pro getting paid to play with grown women.

 

I did not say a negative word about her. She has done a solid job for her team, and she is clearly a quality player. That doesn't mean we all have to annoit her the best 16 year old in the U.S.

 

Well Portland was willing to give her a 3 year contract with an option for another year, willing to give up a third round pick to OL Reign to get her back during Discovery situation, willing to put her name under protected status during the expansion draft. Already has 1 goal and 2 assists in her two starts which were the two games prior to the international break, back then it was her usually subbing in and Sinclair usually starting or some other player that starts in midfield. In the last game against Orlando, she had created multiple chances to get at least 3 goals for her team with her passes.

 

I have no issue with this thread creation at all. You misread my posts. I simply said I did not create it because they were accusing me of a double standard. I also said that discussing OM is different than other 16 year olds because she is a paid pro.

being listed on a US roster roster is vastly different than dissecting the games and skill set of youth players on a public forum. Mental health should be a topic you are fully aware of as a college coach.

Your apology is accepted in advance,

 

I think Olivia is solid. I also think there’s a handful of young ladies the same age who would be as effective as she is right now. AND whose upside is higher. She’s had every advantage of pro training and training at a high level for years.
Is she athletic enough to be a full national teamer? I don’t think so. But who knows.

I haven’t watched her with the youth national teams to see how she does compared to them. Athleticism is the big hurdle. Can she get more athletic? Maybeeeee???

 

ummm.

you just did.

 

Can't she both at the same time?

 

I agree with the distinction that ytrs is splitting. Going professional makes Moultrie "fair game" as it were. If ytrs feels uncomfortable dissecting other high schoolers the same way, this seems reasonable to me.

 

No I did not. OM was already brought up. She is also a paid professional. Which part of my post did you not understand. I said this multiple times: "she is a pro getting paid to play with grown women. The others are going the typical youth to college route so I will respect their age."

Enjoy our thread.

 

The YTRS person has multiple accounts so don’t try arguing with her stupidity.

 

Why is this thread under Women’s College when it’s anything but?

 

Because the college game "lost" Moultrie when she went straight to the pros. If she succeeds and blazes a new path, it will change the college game.