Jan 6, 2022 - The Continuation Foul

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  1. The Jitty Slitter

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    This is the problem. J6C takes out Trump, then Desantis does a fascism
     
  2. rslfanboy

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    Jul 24, 2007
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    Look. Having been well entrenched in that culture and mindset, and now totally removed, you can continue to call these people dishonest or scumbags/deplorables or whatever. There are a good deal who genuinely are.

    But to cast a whole group of people as that is lazy, and you are definitely never going to understand them if you insist on these broad strokes.

    They think they are doing the right thing. They have been sold that the "other side" is evil, and don't understand how destructive the things they are doing are. That isn't dishonesty, it's delusion.


    If you had met me 20 years ago, you would have written me off completely. Hell, I've come a long way since I started posting here.

    These people are not victims. But most aren't unreachable. It takes time. A LOT of it. They've grown up completely indoctrinated in this BS culture war and mind set.

    Rusty Bowers is in a state of cognitive dissonance. He's malfunctioning. He won't listen to us, but hopefully someone close to him can talk and support him through it, because that's the only way he'll open his eyes completely. The problem is, he is likely surrounded by people who won't.
     
  3. Yoshou

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    Hey now. Stop the Steal is just the name of the legal fund. If you read the actual small print you'll see that it isn't actually a legal fund to support the election legal cases. It's not Trump's fault that no one clips through to actually read the terms of service associated with their donation.
     
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  4. song219

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    It is still a form of dishonesty even if it is not totally willful.

    I'm not saying that they torture dogs but I wouldn't turn my back on any of them then or now and that includes members of my wife's family.
     
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  5. xtomx

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    #1605 xtomx, Jun 22, 2022
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    Sorry to quote myself, but it seemed relevant.

    Rusty Bowers would vote for Trump in 2024 — even after his supporters terrorized his family
    “If he is the nominee, if he was up against Biden, I’d vote for him again,” Bowers said. “Simply because what he did the first time, before COVID, was so good for the county. In my view it was great.”
    https://www.rawstory.com/rusty-bowers-trump-2657544073/

    I repeat exactly what I stated above!

    Edit: I see that a couple of posters have already commented on this.
    Still, it is a horrifying statement.


     
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  6. rslfanboy

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    Nor should you. They(we)'ve been weaponised.

    Metaphorically, pouring used motor oil down the drain is the only thing they know.
     
  7. rslfanboy

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    Section 26
    In other news:
     
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  8. Sounders78

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    As he demonstrated in his testimony yesterday, he guides his life by his faith, and his faith is such that he likely considers Democrats to be against God. As such, it would likely violate his principles to vote for Democrats.

    When America has become a Christian Nationalist country, he'll find out that the fundamentalist rulers consider his LDS church to be a non-Christian cult. When they start targeting him and his church, then he might regret his choice. However, I doubt he would even then, given he would become a martyr for his faith, which is the most important thing to him.

    It all reminds me of Martin Niemoller's "First they came".
     
  9. Sounders78

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    Quoted for emphasis.

    I was also in that mindset for a very long time, although by 20 years ago I had taken the first steps to find my way out of it. They live in an echo chamber, only ever hear one side, and are inherently distrustful of anyone who doesn't share their beliefs. They have been trained with excuses to dismiss any objections or criticisms.

    It is very difficult to break through. But as you said, they aren't being dishonest as much as they are being true to what they have been told to think and believe. I've said it many times recently, people need to read Frank Perretti's "This Present Darkness" to understand the mindset of conservative evangelical Christians today. Once they understand that, then the left can realize what they are up against. Only when Democrats have a better understanding of the Bible and the weak spots in evangelical beliefs (and Mormon beliefs), can people start to make effective inroads.
     
  10. onefineesq

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    #1610 onefineesq, Jun 22, 2022
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    That is a GREAT line from THE WIRE!
     
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  11. Chesco United

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    Peretti was good at first. His later works kind of suck.
     
  12. rslfanboy

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    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    Look. Having been well entrenched in that culture and mindset, and now totally removed, you can continue to call these people dishonest or scumbags/deplorables or whatever. There are a good deal who genuinely are.

    But to cast a whole group of people as that is lazy, and you are definitely never going to understand them if you insist on these broad strokes.

    They think they are doing the right thing. They have been sold that the "other side" is evil, and don't understand how destructive the things they are doing are. That isn't dishonesty, it's delusion.


    If you had met me 20 years ago, you would have written me off completely. Hell, I've come a long way since I started posting here.

    These people are not victims. But most aren't unreachable. It takes time. A LOT of it. They've grown up completely indoctrinated in this BS culture war and mind set.

    Rusty Bowers is in a state of cognitive dissonance. He's malfunctioning. He won't listen to us, but hopefully someone close to him can talk and support him through it, because that's the only way he'll open his eyes completely. The problem is, he is likely surrounded by people who won't.
     
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  13. The Jitty Slitter

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    This is one of the longest running narratives on the Bulwark podcast - especially in '18 and '20

    There is a lot of GOP voters out there who think that Trump is the thing that needs to be exorcised but it's fine to vote for your local candidate. Indeed there were loads of them who wanted Biden for president but Romney to be the tipping vote in the senate.

    But the problem is, if there is no electoral consequence why will GOP change?

    This is also the problem with Garland.
     
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  14. The Jitty Slitter

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    This is why I didn't understand why libertarian voices like Reason don't 100% mobilise against Trump and the coup.

    They may not like the left, but an authoritarian state is an existential threat to their entire belief system.
     
  15. Smurfquake

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    The only thing I can figure is, the guardrails held last time, so they think the guardrails will hold next time, and they can have Republican policies (hee hee) without the fascisms. Despite the fact that a whole bunch of those guardrails are being systematically removed by Republican elected officials.
     
  16. song219

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    Their actions or lack of action tells you what parts of their belief system are really important to them.
     
  17. luftmensch

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    I think any apparent growth in the last decade is more likely the result of the growth of internet and social media usage over the same time period. The worship of the FF/Constitution was always there, but it’s much more in our face than ever before (like a lot of other things).
     
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  18. The Jitty Slitter

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    I realise this - it is why commentators raised this scam at the time

    But the point still stands - you are not allowed to do this kind of scamming in other areas of consumer offers.

    For instance in FS, you cannot make misleading and deceptive claims anywhere, much less intentionally mislead clients with the truth buried in the small print!

    The US has long realised that such behaviour is illegal and/or fraudulent and likely to lead to huge fines and prison

    So though i see why policing claims by politicians is more difficult given 1A, I don't really how it extends to scamming elderly marks on a daily basis ...

    There just seem to be no enforced standards
     
  19. The Jitty Slitter

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    I mean i don't get the point f freaking out about Assange and press freedoms while one party is doing an actual coup?

    Much of the Free Assange crowd seems to be entirely relaxed about actual local fascism
     
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  20. The Jitty Slitter

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    I mean shouldn't libertarians be very worried about this????

     
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  21. russ

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    No,this is their dream.Fifty ,hell tree fiddy states, multipalities, free republics,and sovereign citizen zones.Any white man free to move between any and all of them.
     
  22. Sounders78

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    My guess is they don't actually appreciate what the consequences will be because they believe the religious right is acting in good faith.
    They don't realize that democracy is not biblical and it won't be respected by the religious right.
     
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  23. bigredfutbol

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    I'd reckon this is probably true.

    I am far from convinced that democracy is something libertarians value.
     
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  24. marek

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    the term you’re looking for is Sanctuary City

    you know, like when cities and counties refused to cooperate with ICE or enforce Immigration laws
     
  25. russ

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    Nah.Think Tombstone Arizona or Deadwood South Dakota.
     
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