German Fraulein National Team 2020 & beyond

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by hotjam2, Feb 26, 2020.

  1. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #1101 hotjam2, Jun 17, 2022
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    I see MVT more of an mad genius/Dr Frankenstein trying to create something that no mortal human can possibly duplicate/or put into action(unfortunately in this case, her players are her experiments)
    Wiegman’s 3-0 vs MVT(if you add Swiss vs Ned), but she did run her regulars into the ground a bit by the time she met the over-the-hill gang at the WC finals, as Jill Ellis’s squad looked more fresher. But alas, the English feds bought the US conditioning as well from 2019

    interesting that Wiegman cut loose from her final Euro squad former team captain Steph Houghton, as she had an injury prone club season. Wonder if MVT will take that cue & do the same with Hegering? Or how bout Popp, who will miss now 10 days of training or trying to learn MVT’s over complicated passing schemes?
     
  2. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Based on what evidence, does MVT deserve any of these random credentials as a proposed renegade mad genius type coach...? It's like looking into the sky saying you can see lions, castles, or butterflies, while everyone else looks up and just sees white puffy clouds...:confused:

    MVT so incredibly mediocre as a wnt coach, you've somehow attached a random elevated status to her name, all due to her talented German wnt team being so consistently poor, you have to assume it's from their coach being a genius with overly complicated machinations lol...:rolleyes:

    No, no... this is just bad football... like, really bad football lol. Your not witnessing a coach so advanced, her players no longer comprehend what they're being told..:giggle:
     
  3. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Again... why are we having to do this. JUST LOOK AT THEIR QUALITY OF FOOTBALL lol.

    Wiegman works within wnt's with small talent pools, where her superior coaching abilities allow her to construct elite teams, showcasing impressive tactical advancements, around the use of high quality player analysis, in ways that continue to make MVT and the German senior wnt appear a complete joke.

    You even noticed the ridiculous amount of players selected to MVT's squad, but can't seem to understand the obvious fact the DFB went from Jones, to MVT, and got worse with better players...:speechless:
     
  4. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    LOL... so is this going to be the theme during the damn Euro's..? You constantly comparing a fraudulent MVT alongside Wiegman, as if they we're ever on the same level...:rolleyes:

    It was obvious MVT needed to test CB's from around the league... and instead we saw her doing nothing. And now it's the same with Popp, where we all know she's not close to being one of the best CM's in the nation, but still has MVT make the decision to have Popp captain, therefore an integral part of the team..:confused:

    Can you show me where is the mad genius coaching starts happening here..?
     
  5. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
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    Your still looking too hard at this....
     
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  6. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
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    #1106 Batfink, Jun 17, 2022
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    Oh... and mad genius MVT's German wnt has now fallen to a #5 in FIFA ranking...[​IMG]
    But hey... after firing Jones, all this new found failure with MVT is completely justified, right...? Highly calculated media days, and carefully curated photo's showing how progressive the DFB is, is much better than actually having a successful wnt...:rolleyes:

    It's like the DFB's wnt leadership have left a giant pile of excrement on the table, and forced everyone to be sat around it lol, knowing people too scared to mention the obvious.

    Seriously.. how many more clear signs of failing leadership need to happen, and how much worse does this need to become, before someone brave enough to finally openly acknowledge this complete failure for what it is...?
     
  7. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany

    Out:
    Martina Tufekovic
    Jana Feldkamp
    Maximiliane Rall
    Sjoeke Nüsken
    Chantal Hagel
     
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  8. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    #1108 hotjam2, Jun 18, 2022
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    WOW. Rall feels like the biggest surprise. Nusken 2nd surprised, but blame more her club for using her as an defensive mid instead of attacking one. Hagel should of made the team, but rarely used by MVT, so kinda expected
    Only 6 defenders, so we all know who’s moving back there, lol

    With cutting back on offensive minded players, guess the only four thing coming out of Euros will be the firing of MVT?

    and got to add; what on earth is Anyomi doing in there as an fifth winger?
     
  9. Thomsen

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    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    She left out Nüsken and Rall… wtf
     
  10. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
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    Me having to take 3 different looks to before I realized Anyomi made it into the final 23...:confused:
     
  11. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Leaving Rall out is so strange, when you understand she's a highly adaptable player, who produced a better individual season than a host of players selected ahead of her in MVT's final 23...:confused:

    Even with stats/performances that saw her finish the season as the leagues best CAM, Hagel was always going to be another talented AM within a field of many talented AM's; making it hard to see MVT selecting her in the final 23.

    But Nusken's omission has nothing to do with her club role, when you understand she's the ONLY other CM in the squad, with any kind of credible DM experience...:speechless:.
     
  12. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
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    If Oberdorf, or Lattwein, find themselves in a CB role for a single second of these Euro's, somebody should walk down to the bench, and remove MVT from the stadium without even telling her she's also removed from the head coaching role with immediate effect lol.

    But seriously.... this part of the team looks like a complete gamble to me. Where Doorsoun no longer to be trusted at the elite levels, Hegering missing an entire season through injury, Gwinn not appearing 100% her normal self at times either, as Kleinherne still on the outside looking in.

    The only legit defensive players from this season in the final 23 being Hendrich, and Rauch. Without Hegering playing, they don't even have a single defender who can contest aerial duels...:unsure:
     
  13. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
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  14. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Anyomi as a forward for a 3rd place Frankfurt, produces 4 goals 2 assists all season....o_O Rall as a wide AM/FB, with limited time for a 2nd place Bayern, produces 10 goals, with 3 assists lol. I can't explain Anyomi's inclusion in this final 23...?

    Not when Nüsken is the only other CM/DM option in the provisional squad, yet finds herself going home having been a far greater influence on the same Frankfurt side Anyomi plays for...:confused:

    This now a squad including both Lohmann, and Däbritz, who've also been known as highly competent wide forwards too. I worry this means MVT's formulated another stupid plan, where Lohmann, or Anyomi, used as standby FB's...:cautious:
     
  15. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    What confuses me even more about this, is MVT removing players without anymore test matches.

    I sometimes feel like these coaches just select players without any tactical comprehension of what their opponents will offer.

    MVT's headed to the Euro's with a highly untested/unfocused team. Years after her first tournament, we still have absolutely ZERO idea what the 1st 11 lol...:speechless:
     
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  16. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Bühl/Brand ---------------- Freigang/Schüller ---------------- Huth/Waßmuth
    ------------------------------ Magull/Dallmann/Popp ----------------------------------
    ------------ Oberdorf/Lohmann ---------------- Däbritz/Lattwein --------------
    Rauch -------- Hendrich/Doorsoun ----- Hegering/Kleinherne -------- Gwinn/Anyomi
    ----------------------------- Frohms/Schult/Berger -----------------------------------
    After the new squad revealed, I don't see a 4-3-3 anymore. So I'm guessing this is what MVT's squad plan looks like...?

    Bühl ------------------------ Schüller ------------------------ Huth
    --------------------------------- Popp ----------------------------------
    ----------------- Oberdorf ------------ Däbritz --------------------
    Rauch -------- Hendrich ------------ Hegering --------- Gwinn
    ------------------------------- Frohms ----------------------------------
    I'm guessing without injuries/positive Covid tests, this will be her 1st choice 11 too...:cautious:
     
  17. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    here could be the lineups if we copy the two major clubs

    WOLFSBURG

    ………………Wassmuth
    Brand………..Freigang…….Huth
    …….Oberdorf…….Lattwein
    Rauch….Doursoon….Hegering…Popp
    ……………….Schult

    got no choice but to put Popp at FB as Freigang more mirrors Roord. I believe Popp did play FB when WOB won the CL in 2013?

    BM

    Lohmann….Schuller……Buhl
    ……Dallmann……. Magull
    …………….Dabritz
    Gwinn…Hegering….Kleineherne…Anyomi
    …………….Frohm
     
  18. hotjam2

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    My bad; mean’t Hendrich instead of Hegering(who’s on my BM squad)
     
  19. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Waßmuth isn't a real FW, and Popp has already revealed her discussions with MVT proposing her present role within this team as a FW/AM.

    People may have also forgotten that Anyomi was also introduced as a RB versus Portugal too...:confused:Otherwise, this is a pretty straight forward 11 to select, featuring one of Europe's best CM duo.

    But this also interesting, as it highlights how one of Europe's best CM duo are playing for a wnt coach who's using such awful statistical player analysis, we've never actually seen them starting together in their best roles...:speechless:
     
  20. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Funny, but Magull played as DM versus PSG during their second WUCL encounter, and within a clear system was overall excellent for someone not typically thought of as solid defensive presence/deep lying play maker.

    Honestly... looking the the RB role here, I'd rather Doorsoun over Anyomi too; the idea Rall left out so Anyomi deployed as a RB, honestly ridiculous to me. It continues to show the wnt's lack of respect/understanding for specialist role players, such as elite defenders.

    Either way, combining both teams seems to be too difficult for MVT. As this would take a coach able to establish an efficient style of play, which finally allowed both sets of players to contribute what they do for their clubs.
     
  21. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Constantly ignoring domestic defenders, to instead force forwards and mid-fielders into roles they struggle to adapt, is a long running and highly perplexing issue with the senior team.

    I genuinely believe these national team coaches are seeing club data highlighting how strong players like Oberdorf have been in the area of interceptions, and high rates of successful duels, and not using common sense to grasp how it's actually related to her more advanced position on the field.

    This clearly a theme that's beyond the head coach. It feels like Germany's senior department trying to use sabermetrics for a long time now, and seeing it fail terribly...:unsure:
     
  22. Thomsen

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    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    True. Apparently her selection has only been based on her impression during their training camps lol.

    She’s actually used more than 40 players during her time as the head coach… wtf o_O

    I truly feel like Oberdorf, Lohmann and Lattwein should be the first choices for the midfield, but she will probably start Magull and Däbritz instead :rolleyes:
     
  23. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Honestly... this information makes complete sense in the backdrop of not seeing any genuine improvement with this team during actual matches.

    MVT and her coaches only selecting players based on their own personal training camps, ignoring clubs matches, and international performance, would 100% create the negatives we consistently witness right now.
     
  24. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I think hotjam2 said it was over 50 players lol. And I'll say it again, with all this player rotation, it hasn't seen the national coaches acknowledge the need for real defenders to be included into their plan...:confused:
     
  25. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Based on their club level contributions, and their abilities to play in more than one position, I'm genuinely shocked Dallmann made it ahead of Nüsken...:speechless:

    This a choice that's now removed the superior option for MVT continuing with a potential 4-3-3, and made me believe we could now see the team revert to using a more basic 4-4-2 which includes Popp close to Schüller.

    Like you though... I feel the mid-field should simply imitate Wolfsburg, using the aggressive/dynamic style of Lohmann as the replacement for Roord. But does anyone believe MVT leaves Däbritz, or the new captain on the bench...:unsure:
     

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