German Fraulein National Team 2020 & beyond

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by hotjam2, Feb 26, 2020.

  1. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    a Oberdorf-Dabritz-Magul central mid lineup will NOT have the same strong physicality as WOB’s Oberdorf-Lattwein-Roord. So then I fear MVT will pull her defenders out of position to support as she’s so determined to win the midfield, rather than go on quick counters.

    with MVT on the helm, it almost feels like an lost cause, you have to hope that the opponents have their problems too
     
  2. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Jenni Hermoso will miss Euro.
     
  3. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Again... I have absolutely no idea where your seeing MVT's Germany do any of this lol...:confused: You make it sound like she's actually implemented some form of style that hasn't worked like intended, when it's simply a team that's lacking any clear identity lol.

    We've seen different formations, different players, and different players within different roles; in that entire time only producing short bursts of something that could be considered a good German wnt style of play.

    Lol.. they can't use a high press correctly, or sit deep and counter correctly either. There's literally ZERO evidence of a style of play here with MVT, to the effect of her recently announcing her teams new goals of simply being hard to beat...:ROFLMAO::speechless:
     
  4. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
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    Not without a clear style of play...:rolleyes: These games aren't using NCAA rules lol.

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  5. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    So... does anyone know why Germany are only playing one test match prior to the Euro's starting..? I mean, so many factors about MVT and this team feels so confusing right now...:unsure:

    Denmark are exposing themselves to tests against Austria, then Brazil prior to starting the Euro's. While Germany will seek to hide behind another mediocre performance facing MVT's former employer Switzerland...:thumbsdown:
     
  6. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Physicality...:confused: Did you miss what happened when all that supposed superior physicality within Wolfsburg's mid-field came into contact with Barca/Spain's mid-field trio...?

    Tactically, Wolfsburg managed to find a way to completely bypass the losing mid-field battle in their second match with Barca's CM trio, with Lyon eventually showing Wolfsburg's how it's meant to be done during the WUCL final.

    But without Germany having a good coach, it's going to require a lot more than simplistic notions of 'superior physicality', to see Germany's still horrendous mid-field approach, gain the necessary effectiveness to compete at the standards you'd expect for the quality of player within their squad.
     
  7. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    It would be nice if MVT actually used recognized defenders in defense first lol... then we'll move on to her trying to construct a mid-field plan, so we can finally witness the teams various attackers actually being dangerous forwards.

    Seeing your 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 reverting into a 4-5-1 all the time, not the best evidence of a coherent game plan being in full effect...:whistling:
     
  8. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Remember, Jones was fired with a better record than MVT lol... with the new target for MVT now regressing into being "hard to beat"...:speechless:

    No signs of planning for the next WC, using this Euro's tournament with emerging talents as the platform to re-establish Germany as a wnt opponents need to respect.

    My biggest issue isn't just this Euro's potentially being a complete waste of time, but the DFB doing absolutely nothing about the consistently poor leadership of the wnt, and just allowing this mess to meander into another WC cycle...:cautious:
     
  9. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Last time Germany won this tournament, they were pretty terrible during the group stages, eventually finding a way to win knock-out games through their most established names showcasing strong leadership in defense, as Marozsan - Goeßling - Keßler would come together as a world class mid-field trio.

    When it comes to general importance, I'm still convinced Oberdorf this teams version of Keßler. Leaving a lot of speculation on the condition of Hegering now too, as she could be the other important piece of a solid defensive partnership alongside Hendrich.

    Even if MVT a mediocre wnt coach, the talent still exists within her Germany squad, to see a core group of players shape a very dangerous unit. All this will require though, is MVT randomly stumbling into making various decisions she's previously ignored for years...:rolleyes:
     
  10. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Before I forget again, much of my frustration for the way MVT constructs this team based on very clear information like this...

    All season I've seen stats validating the performances of Oberdorf, but I see how she's partnered so well with Lattwein in her new role, and can't believe the DFB's wnt coaches use the same data for player analysis, and feel that it suggests these two excellent CM's are better suited to CB roles...:confused:
     
  11. Austriawien73

    Austriawien73 New Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    May 3, 2022
    On Saturday the Squad for the EM will be announced. Playing Oberdorf - Lattwein.what about Däbritz and Magull? would be only 1Place. MVT will surely not to that.

    I'm even afraid that MVT won't take lattwein to the EM.
     
  12. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    here's the roster for the Euro u19 championship. The biggest name missing is Kuver, I guess not back yet from her ACL injury last Nov. I've been impressed with the athletic mid named from Freiburg named Buchele, but her striker team mate, Zicau, didn't make this squad and i guess nobody from the recent u17 champs, didn't make it either?
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  13. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The positive news for today: Popp`s covid testo_O
     
  14. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    LOL... This kind of problem would typically be seen as a very good problem within a strong team. It's only now with MVT's poor construction of her squad, do you see a talent rich roster of mid-fielders, and somehow feel it a genuine concern for creating further confusion over the options available to the coach...:confused:

    I mean... MVT's made Popp captain, when I personally feel it should have been Magull's team to lead. Däbritz is all but a guaranteed starter within a CM role too, when we all know Oberdorf - Lattwein more than validated themselves as one of the best double six parings in Europe.

    Without even mentioning Nusken, and Lohmann, who appear just as talented as other options currently ahead of them, it just reveals how inefficient MVT's efforts in
    constructing a credible TEAM have been; when she's somehow turned genuine CM/AM depth into a self inflicted weakness lol.
     
  15. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I’m sure Lattwein will make it, but going by MVT past history, she’ll turn both her & Oberdorf into CB’s(instead of DM’s) as it seems MVT think she can the get the best of both worlds by doing so(thus keeping her faves, Popp, Magull & Dabritz B intact at central mid
    I guess I differ here because I feel like MVT knows ‘too much’ what she’s doing in that she forces the team way too many different tactics to learn & then especially with rotating to different lineups(as compared to coaches like Wiegman & Stroot who use 11-14 regulars in their starting lineups)

    a few reasons to be concerned;
    Dabritz only joining the NT camp now(as she might be nursing an injury)
    Huth taking off to get married & subsequent honeymoon

    Hegering was seen playing Bundi Division 2 for the last three weeks, and thus also coming in late for NT camp(idk, but feels awkward)
     
  16. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    LOL... I think your forgetting there's a U-20 WC a few months later. There's quite a lot of names missing from this U-19 team, that will likely jump over to the U-20 WC squad.

    In a non WC qualification cycle, you never really see Germany sending strong teams to the u17/19 Euro finals anyway, but seeing Büchele in the squad probably means she was left out of the U-20's too.

    Plus it appears a beneficiary of this player rotation between age group tournaments, happens to be the very promising dynamic winger from Bayern call Kett; this a player who looks very similar to Bühl in the footage I've seen...:cautious:
     
  17. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    Why would Germany do that? Not sending a strong squad to the Euros 17/19?
     
  18. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    If she does this having Hendrich, Hegering, Kleinherne, Doorsoun, all available... The DFB shouldn't even send the team to England.

    That's basically open sabotage lol.
     
  19. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    LOL... if she knew "too much", wouldn't she actually be good...?

    Looking at her resume, and seeing her teams play, it's clear Wiegman knows WAYYYYYYY more than MVT does in getting the most from limited rosters; honesty making the comparison between these coaches almost farcical, when you imagine what Wiegman could have done with Germany's resources.

    While Stroot had no choice but to constantly select the same 8 players in his first season with Wolfsburg; walking into a club during a rebuilding stage, again... comparing MVT with this coach also doesn't make any sense either, knowing the far greater resource of options available to MVT, Vs the completely limited scope of Stroot's options within Wolfsburg.
     
  20. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    #1095 Batfink, Jun 15, 2022
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2022
    I don't like anything I've seen during Germany's build up to this tournament. But honestly... what reason do Däbritz, or Huth, have to be with the provisional squad...?

    No friendlies, just media work, but the same mediocre training that's seen Germany not even on the radar of being people selection for a genuine contender of this Euro's tournament.

    Yes... various factors about this process is making everything feel very awkward. To still have so many unknown factors, when your selecting players from one of the top female programs/leagues in world football...:confused:

    Wasting a year on Oberdorf, Lattwein, Feldkamp, all looking mediocre as CB's, so Hegering after a 2 months of training can come straight back into the Euro's first team, lol.
     
  21. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    #1096 Batfink, Jun 15, 2022
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2022
    It's not a junior World Cup qualification cycle...
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    If you notice, Germany have never failed to qualify for a FIFA finals event, but have missed out on various junior level Euro finals during non WC qualification years...:coffee:

    So knowing we're in a odd cycle where Germany has a U-20 WC, and a senior Euro's, it's all but guaranteed the U-19's would be missing key players this time.
     
  22. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    So even when it’s not WC qualifiers time and the players are available, they still missed out the finals. Why? Just bad luck or not a good game?
     
  23. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    UEFA is very competitive... meaning Germany maintaining their run of never missing a FIFA finals, has seen them come through some very close calls of early exits within the age group UEFA qualification process.

    But when it comes to general player selection, I think Germany's cycle brings through the next new crop of young players during the non WC qualification years, making it more unlikely for the team to be as competitive as they could be...:cautious:

    It creates a scenario where non WC qualification years will sometimes see Germany struggle to make Euro's, with the same group of players coming back a year later to finish top 3 (typical finalists) for the next Euro's.
     
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  24. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    All this not including how senior players who are still under 20, will often drop back down into the U-20 team too, having never helped their U-19 age group qualify for the U-20 WC.

    It's created the process where some players typically take part in two U-20 WC's for Germany, sometimes only having played for the U-19's in a very limited capacity.

    This happening more recently, with Germany's senior team having names like Bühl, Nüsken, Lohmann, Oberdorf, Lattwein, Kleinherne, Anyomi, all eligible for the Covid postponed U-20 WC.

    Germany will qualify for a U-20 WC's, but generally with a far weaker 1st team than the eventual new look side we all see entering FIFA's event.
     
  25. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Taking a look... I'm sure Germany could have gone to the postponed 2020 U-20 WC with...
    ------------------------------ Kössler ----------------------------
    Bühl ---------------------- Lohmann ---------------- Anyomi
    ------------------- Nüsken -------- Oberdorf -------------------
    Donhauser ---- Kleinherne ---- Aehling ---- Stegemann

    Having options like, Endemann, Lattwein, Chmielinski, Krumbiegel, Martinez all available to the coach too...o_O
     
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