Official 2022 Nadeshiko Japan Thread [R] - なでしこジャパン(英語スレッド)

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  1. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
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    I am sure @unepommekun appreciated Shimizu's look anyway. :giggle: For my part, I found Narumiya very elegant. :inlove:

    I also appreciated the veterans and celebraties presenting and attending the event (Sawa, Kaihori and others).
     
  2. pierre bezukhov

    pierre bezukhov Member+

    AC Milan
    Japan
    Mar 7, 2018
    Japan
    In Nojima Stella news:

    Arisa Minamino has left JEF and returned to Nojima.

    I assume she has come back because she was not getting enough game time at JEF. I am not sure Nojima really need her, but she is a forward who works hard and at times has scored goals, though her last season at Nojima was poor. Her coming back allows Sugita to sit deeper in midfield, which will help Nojima immeasurably.

    I still would have preferred them to go after somebody a bit younger like Fuka Kono, but I will see how this decision turns out.

    Misaki Nakayama has moved to Nadeshiko League 2 team Yamato Sylphid on a loan until the end of the year. She is only 19 and has not played much for Nojima. Judging by her statement on Nojima's website I think she just wants to play more football.

    Does anybody have any information on loans for WE League clubs? Some clubs do have quite large squads and I am just wondering if some of extra players are playing at other teams.
     
  3. unepommekun

    unepommekun Member+

    Beleza
    Japan
    Mar 26, 2018
  4. pierre bezukhov

    pierre bezukhov Member+

    AC Milan
    Japan
    Mar 7, 2018
    Japan
    Thanks for that. I will look at that after work.

    I am hoping loan spells will happen more often in the future.

    I am also wondering if there will be the chance of a really strong team - like Urawa - fielding a reserve team in the Nadeshiko League.
     
  5. Ponde_Ringu

    Ponde_Ringu Member+

    May 17, 2021

     
  6. pierre bezukhov

    pierre bezukhov Member+

    AC Milan
    Japan
    Mar 7, 2018
    Japan
    On paper the acquisition of Hamada and Minamino looks good. Nojima now have two forwards who have averaged 5 or 6 goals a season for many years, so combined they should be good for 10 or 12 goals next season.

    However, both of them have just had terrible seasons, probably the worst of their careers, so I am a little apprehensive about how they will play. All I know is that they will not come cheap and I would have preferred Nojima to have invested in at least one good young forward.

    If they both play like they did two ago then I will be very happy, because Nojima should improve. But Nojima still need a good midfielder. Maybe Shibata would like to join Nojima?
     
  7. blissett

    blissett Member+

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    ... or maybe not. :rolleyes:
     
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  8. unepommekun

    unepommekun Member+

    Beleza
    Japan
    Mar 26, 2018
    Tomorrow's games:

    Nadeshiko League
    Bunnys vs Ange Violet 13:00

    Nadeshiko League 2
    Shizuoka vs Yamato 13:00
     
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  9. Lechus7

    Lechus7 Member+

    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
    #1534 Lechus7, Jun 10, 2022
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    Damallsvenskan - round 13

    Umea IK 0 - 3 Linkoping
    (highlights)

    Yuka Momiki and Saori Takarada both played full 90. Takarada played as holding midfielder this time around while Momiki was set as playmaker. After losing with leaders from Rosengard last week and dropping to 3rd place, Linkoping is now back in 2nd partially because Hacken surprisingly lost at home with Eskillstuna. Four teams fighting for three UWCL spots. It's gonna be tight.

    Here are highlights from very entertaining clash at the top, between Linkoping and Rosengard last friday.

    AIK 1 - 0 Pitea
    (highlights)

    Honoka Hayashi played full 90 and scored winning goal in 82'. She was everywhere on the pitch in this match. Dunno only how fresh she will be comming for NT camp cuz it seem that in each game she runs 10-12km. :rolleyes:
    Remy Siemsen is a walking disaster upfront. To her credit she really does try but nothing works.
    AIK coach finally changed their no.1 goalie Majasaari for Backmark. She saved her team on few occasions and along with Hayashi was best AIK player. I'm not convinced on her in long run though as she lacks height.

    1. Rosengard ---- 13m ---- 33p ----- 37-12
    2. Linkoping ------ 13m ---- 28p ----- 30-12
    3. Kristianstads - 13m ---- 27p ----- 29-11
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    4. BK Hacken ---- 13m ---- 26p ----- 25-9
    5. Vittsjo ----------- 13m ---- 23p ----- 15-11
    (...)
    11. Kalmar -------- 13m ---- 9p ----- 12-36
    -------------- (relegation zone) -------------------
    12. Umea IK ----- 13m ---- 7p ------ 11-27
    13. Bromma. ---- 13m ---- 6p ------ 10-30
    14. AIK ------------- 13m ---- 6p ------ 8-31
     
  10. Ponde_Ringu

    Ponde_Ringu Member+

    May 17, 2021
    23 players have decided to continue playing with Nojima Stella. I really like how they chose to release all this at once.

    Wakisaka seems to be missing. I wonder where she is going.



    While we’re on the topic of Nojima Stella. Would anyone like a translated version of their (previous) coach Kitano’s blog? He’s been posting about his experience in woso and how it compares to his experience in the J league, what problems Japanese woso faces and what he thinks the WE league strives to become. It’s quite interesting to read the experiences of a coach that’s never had any knowledge of women’s football until 2 years ago.


    The posts aren’t free so I can’t just copy the links here. If there’s anyone who wants a read I (DeepL) will translate it onto a google document or something and post that here. Just asking before I do it because the whole thing is quite long and still not finished by the looks of it.
     
  11. blissett

    blissett Member+

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    Since she played in Youth National Teams (both the U-16/U-17 cycle and the U-19/U-20 cycle) I figure she wanted to try moving to a team that gives her more chances to once again make the National Team, at Senior level also, but I've got no idea of where she could be headed for.
     
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  12. Lechus7

    Lechus7 Member+

    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
    Mai Hirata will play next season in German top division. She transfers from Eintracht Frankfurt II (reserves - 5th in Bundesliga 2) to newly promoted MV Meppen (winner of Bundesliga 2)

     
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  13. pierre bezukhov

    pierre bezukhov Member+

    AC Milan
    Japan
    Mar 7, 2018
    Japan
    She may just be weighing up her options, but I agree with you, it looks like she is leaving. It is a bit of a blow for Nojima, because they need midfielders and she has been their best midfielder.

    Having said that she has been nowhere near as good as I hoped she would be. She is good on the ball with good technique, but she never really imposed herself on any match and defensively she was just okay. Of course that could have a lot to do with the manager.

    But with Kanno she might actually improve, because he is very good at getting the most out of his players.

    As for the signings, it makes sense they signed early because excluding Ohga, Sugita and maybe Matsubara the rest of the team probably would not have had too many options other than to re-sign with Nojima.

    I think Ohga is a very good defender. I thought one of the other WE League teams might have come in for her, so I am glad she is staying.

    I will read it if you put them up. I am curious to read what he has to say, because at times I found some of his tactics quite perplexing.
     
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  14. unepommekun

    unepommekun Member+

    Beleza
    Japan
    Mar 26, 2018
    Today's result:

    Nadeshiko League
    Bunnys (Komatsu 2) 2-0 Ange Violet

    Nadeshiko League 2
    Shizuoka (Hara 3) 3-1 Yamato (Hamamoto)
     
  15. unepommekun

    unepommekun Member+

    Beleza
    Japan
    Mar 26, 2018
    Tomorrow's games:

    Nadeshiko League
    Iga vs Orca 13:00
    Cerezo vs Harima 13:00
    Ehime vs Nagoya 13:00
    Setagaya vs Speranza 14:00
    Nippatsu vs Nittaidai 15:00

    Nadeshiko League 2
    JFA vs Belle 11:00
    Anclas vs NORD 12:00
    Tsukuba vs DF Hiroshima 13:00
    Kibi vs Mie 13:00
     
  16. Manchester Nadeshiko

    Ehime F.C. Ladies
    Japan
    Mar 26, 2017
    U.K.
    Both goals came from almost identical Ayumi Oya corner kicks
     
  17. blissett

    blissett Member+

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    #1542 blissett, Jun 11, 2022
    Last edited: Jun 11, 2022
    In other news, via the Filipino thread, it looks like Quinley Quezeda will leave JEF United Ichihara Chiba Ladies to transfer in Serbia, in a club from Belgrade. :coffee:
     
  18. Lechus7

    Lechus7 Member+

    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
    #1543 Lechus7, Jun 11, 2022
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    Good move transfering to Europe however not the best choice of club.
    Crvena Zvezda Belgrade (Red Star Belgrade) is the most popular club in Serbia though Spartak Subotica are still the no. 1 in woso there. Still the next 1-2 years should see Zvezda win championship (currently they are 2nd best team).
    Problem lies elsewhere. Crvena Zvezda has huge ties to Moscow through their sponsor Gazprom (Putin's baby) and generally is considered by many as willing partaker of Russia sportswashing scheme. While western world nowadays tries to cut ties with Russia blood money, Zvezda Belgrade owners choosen to keep Gazprom in their books and on their shirts. Lot of Zvezda ultra fans (men's team) openly support rape and destruction of Ukraine.
    In Belgrade, Quezada will certainly get more minutes but the price may be steep for her future career in Europe as some clubs will close the doors for her after that move. :coffee:
     
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  19. Twistal

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    NTV Beleza
    Feb 3, 2018
    Keep politics out of Sport, please.

    No one will close any doors to her, it's absolute nonsense.
     
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  20. Lechus7

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    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
    #1545 Lechus7, Jun 11, 2022
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    Imo it's a question of morals not politics.

    That's your opinion Twistal. I disagree but won't elaborate further on the topic because you're right - it's a sport forum.
     
  21. Twistal

    Twistal Member

    NTV Beleza
    Feb 3, 2018
    It's more simple than that. Nobody cares about such a player at the moment apart from the Serbian club who gives her a chance to develop and showcase her skills in Europe. If anything, it would help her to get into a better club in the future, because right now she doesn't have better options at all.

    Why other clubs would close their doors to her? Because she played in Serbia in a club sponsored by Gazprom, which sponsored hundreds of different sports organisations (kids, women's) for years and years even before the Ukraine crisis. At the end of the day, It's all about the money in Europe, you will be shocked but barely anyone would care about that player playing in Serbia for that club.

    p/s if that's such a horrible thing to play for them, why does nobody warn her? Surely if that is soooooo bad, she would think 10 times before signing for them.
     
  22. Ponde_Ringu

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    May 17, 2021
    #1547 Ponde_Ringu, Jun 11, 2022
    Last edited: Jun 11, 2022
    Here's the translation for Kitano's blog posts. Some warnings, he's not a professional writer so he does tend to ramble a bit. He is also very blunt with his opinions, some people may find certain parts of this uncomfortable. Though I will say he has no ill intentions. It's also VERY long and there are probably more posts coming. I will add those translations on to the same doc as he posts them and notify you here.

    Tell me if the format, letter size or anything makes it hard to read/understand.

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/14PWC69sim2tWj3pfTFfulyjZlycdEf5TaCgmTrGz0d8/edit?usp=sharing
     
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  23. Lechus7

    Lechus7 Member+

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    Wroclaw
    Thank you @Ponde_Ringu it's an interesting and fun read.
     
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  24. unepommekun

    unepommekun Member+

    Beleza
    Japan
    Mar 26, 2018
    This is completely off topic.
    I was watching this game, but very boring so I switched the channel to Men's J3 game, then another Komatsu scored two for Matsumoto Yamaga almost the same time.:eek::p
     
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  25. pierre bezukhov

    pierre bezukhov Member+

    AC Milan
    Japan
    Mar 7, 2018
    Japan
    #1550 pierre bezukhov, Jun 11, 2022
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    As a Nojima fan I found this very interesting to read. I will try and keep this short, but here are a few of my thoughts.

    He does come across as a bit of a dinosaur regarding working with women. But given that he has only ever worked with male footballers and is an older Japanese man it is not that surprising. He was probably overthinking it a bit, but it was a new experience for him and I daresay he has never been in a working situation where he has been outnumbered by women. This would go for a lot of Japanese men.

    I was astonished by his suprise at the lack of skill from the players given that when he took over at Nojima they were a semi-professional club. The players at Nojima, before the WE League, worked in the morning and then trained in the afternoon. What did he expect? It would be the same if he took over a semi-professional men's team. The level would not be the same as a professional men's team.

    Now to the positives and interesting stuff.

    I was surprised that Nojima did not have junior team members train with the senior team. This is something that Beleza have done for years. It seems logical to me and weird that they would not do that. You are helping those good, younger players develop.

    The over training aspect as well, but I have always thought this was a problem with Japan and Japanese culture, but it may be a thing within women's football.

    I agree with him that women's football is so much slower than men's football and is much easier to see the tactics being played. I also liked how he said that it is much easier to see what good teams are trying to do tactically compared to the bad teams.

    But some of Nojima's play at times was pretty bad especially in his first season. This season INAC and Beleza were the only teams to have a discernible style of play for me.

    However, the stuff about training was super interesting and I liked his approach. Players have to be able to think for themselves on the pitch and I like how he said he wanted them to solve problems in training rather than just giving them the answers.

    Also his criticism of some players' positional awareness makes a lot of sense. It is part of the reason why he played my favourite player Chihiro Ishida so much. Ishida is good, Wakisaka not so good when it comes to standing on a pitch.

    Lastly - although he does not really state this - the women's game needs more highly accredited coaches, preferably women. This is why I hope some formr players from the 2011 Nadeshiko team will get accredited.

    Good stuff.
     

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