MLS Flavors of the Week: 2022 edition

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by OWN(yewu)ED, Jan 1, 2022.

  1. no exit

    no exit Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Nov 20, 2019
    Adams was a critical part of a Supporters Shield team -- he was without question better than Aaronson and is a better player now. Wild times on this thread.
     
  2. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd have to agree. Aaronson could pass him soon but Adams is at a better league and has been for a while and has been irreplaceable for the national team while right now I'd have Aaronson behind Pulisic and Weah as wingers. I do think Adams is in a bit of a slump or maybe not a good fit for the style his coach is using. It is kind of odd that the few shut down #6's have coaches who don't use a formation that uses them while I bet other coaches dream about having a shut down #6 and don't have them.
     
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  3. Thundering165

    Thundering165 Member+

    North Carolina FC
    United States
    May 1, 2017
    Raleigh
    He's also getting on the ball much deeper than he is used to. When he plays further back he's not as comfortable and more prone to being thrown off by physical play. Venezia was a real tough situation for him; his strengths didn't help them much and his weaknesses actively hurt them.
     
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  4. Thundering165

    Thundering165 Member+

    North Carolina FC
    United States
    May 1, 2017
    Raleigh
    So can Messi. What's your point?

    Parks has done more in MLS than any other player his age. With Atuesta gone and Paulo injured he's the best holding mid in the league by a fair margin.
     
  5. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Green and Bello are in the same league as Adams. They all are on sitting the benches. Aaronson will be sold in the summer for something around $25M. Will that make him instantly better than Adams? No, he is better right now. And, yes, Adams is more important for the NT, but Aaronson is a better player.
     
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  6. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No Adams slander please.
     
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  7. no exit

    no exit Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Nov 20, 2019
    Hmm, two players are on the bench for relegation strugglers and one is on the bench (sort of) for a champions-league level team, this is the same situation, to me.
     
  8. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Is he a holly cow?
     
  9. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Aaronson is starting on a CL team, so Adams being in BL doesn't make him automatically better. Initial point was that there is Davies/Adams level that is difficult to achieve to MLS kids, and that's wrong: there is Davies level, and than Adams/Aaronson level, and the later is quite achievable.
     
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  10. no exit

    no exit Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Nov 20, 2019
    You specifically noted Julian Green, George Bello, and Tyler Adams were "all on sitting the benches" [sic], leading me to observe these are not the same benches and no real indicator of any of the qualities involved.

    At any rate, Adams and Aaronson were not the same player in MLS. Aaronson was in the 44th percentile in xG+xA as an attacking midfielder; if you think he's a great defender as a midfielder maybe that makes him an average AM that year.

    Adams, of course, was one of the best, if not the best, sixes in the league. Not at all comparable.
     
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  11. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Aaronson was in MLS Best 11 in 2020. Adams never been there. Aaronson was just less hyped than Adams. They were about the same level players sold for about the same money. Now Aaronson is better.
     
  12. twoolley

    twoolley Member+

    Jan 3, 2008
    Who cares. Neither play in MLS now.
     
  13. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was weird how they didn’t let him take more free kicks.
     
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  14. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    #1564 IndividualEleven, May 12, 2022
    Last edited: May 12, 2022
    Sofascore US Open Cup Team of the Week(MLS Only)
    * = 23-and-under
    ** = 20-and-under

    ------------------------Shelton(7.6)2nd----------------
    ------Perez(7.1)7th*-----------------------Gaines(8.3)2nd----
    --------------Zubak(7.7)2nd*-----Vassilev(7.4)6th*
    ------------------------Vargas(7.4)6th**-----
    ---Tolkin(7.8)2nd**-------------------------------Rowe(7.9)2nd----
    ------------------Burgess(7.5)1st--Ragen(7.5)4th*-------
    -------------------------Bersano(7.7)1st--------

    Player of the Week: Gaines Rowe Tolkin Bye
    23-and-under: Tolkin Zubak Ragen(7.5)4th
    20-and-under: Tolkin(7.8)2nd Jasson(7.4)3rd Vargas(7.4)

    Honorable Mention(MOTM-3rd); Junqua(7.5)2nd Lambe(7.4)3rd* Munjoma(7.3)3rd* Markanich(7.1)1st* McGraw(7.1)3rd Dorsey(7.5)2nd* Jasson(7.4)3rd** D.Nealis(7.3)3rd* Ryan(7.3)3rd*
     
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  15. Yowza

    Yowza Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Oct 23, 2019
    Arlington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you like Kevin Paredes, like me, you gotta like Tolkin, too. They play similar games, or at least have similar impact. Maybe Paredes is a little faster and better dribbler, but Tolkin is more likely to produce a goal or pass for the goal than Paredes, imo.
     
  16. frankburgers

    frankburgers Member+

    May 31, 2016
    Not only does John Tolkin have spectacular lettuce, he’s really good too.

    I’d bet on him moving to a good European league after this season.
     
  17. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Is that the guy with the Brek Shea haircut?
     
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  18. frankburgers

    frankburgers Member+

    May 31, 2016
    yup. That’s him.
     
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  19. no exit

    no exit Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Nov 20, 2019
    Tolkin (last 365 days): 44th percentile xG+xA
    Paredes (2021): 86th percentile xG+xA
     
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  20. twoolley

    twoolley Member+

    Jan 3, 2008
    They don’t feel all that similar to me. You can imagine Tolkien playing as a six. God I love that typo. On the other hand I really could not see paredes play the six at all. That alone tells me pretty real difference.
     
  21. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    #1571 IndividualEleven, May 13, 2022
    Last edited: May 13, 2022
    Open Cup Tidbits

    Houston have been giving Griffin Dorsey minutes at rb. When I'd seen him play in the attack(right forward) last year, he exhibited a nice combination of athleticism and dribbling. At rb, he struggled a bit in a league match I watched this season. But in time, he could become an elite MLS fullback.

    Seattle's Vargas appears to have moved to the forefront of Seattle young guns.

    LA's former striker, Zubak, subbed into central midfield for Nashville. Could be the makings of another shrewd move by Nashville.

    Tolkin has not been slowing down. If he leaves after this season I'd love to see him go to Salzburg. Work on the physicality and the possession passing. Get tested in UCL. The domestic LB competition is a two-man race between him and DeJuan Jones.

    Erstwhile attacker, Vassilev, got the start in central midfield for Miami. Could be another de la Torre in terms of a career boost after a change of position.

    Paredes is an attacker(left-forward, left-mid, attacking-mid) who can also play fullback and wingback.

    Tolkin is a defender(leftback and left-wingback) who can also play in central and in left midfield.

    Different skillsets
     
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  22. Yowza

    Yowza Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Oct 23, 2019
    Arlington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Okay, what are the actual goals and assists? I wrote Tolkin was more likely to deliver a goal or assist, I think the actual goal/assist numbers would be more telling.
     
  23. Yowza

    Yowza Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Oct 23, 2019
    Arlington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What do they actually do on the field, not in some situation you conjure? I think they do the same things, affect the game in similar ways. If you don't agree with that, cool, but I don't know what to make of your post otherwise.
     
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  24. Yowza

    Yowza Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Oct 23, 2019
    Arlington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Paredes played the vast majority of his minutes at wingback in DC. Tolkin has played mostly as fullback/wingback. I don't think their skillsets are very different, just at different levels of effectiveness.

    I believe if you want to sub in a left sided player to create mismatches and scoring opportunities, both guys could excel in that role.

    Matching skillsets.
     
  25. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    #1575 IndividualEleven, May 13, 2022
    Last edited: May 13, 2022
    Paredes's game is built around his dribble and quickness. Tolkin's game is built around his attacking passing. These are very different players.

    Paredes's skillset projects into attacking roles. And that's how Wolsburg plan to develop him.

    We’re very happy that Kevin was quickly convinced by our philosophy and our path, and that he’s joining us,” said VfL sporting director Marcel Schäfer. “Despite his age he’s already gained some experience at first-team level, and as well as the left wing he can also play in the centre. In addition, he brings pace and dynamism, he’s very agile and nimble on the ball, covers a lot of ground on the pitch and has a really good mentality.”

    Kevin Paredes joins Bundesliga club Wolfsburg - SBI Soccer

    Even playing the same position, the difference in skillset is pretty evident. All of which is not to suggest Paredes can't play fullback. Afterall, Davies plays fullback. But his skillset also means he can play left-forward and a-mid. Other fullbacks/wingbacks' skillsets don't project into such attacking roles. David Alaba plays cb, cm, and lb.

    Unlike Paredes, Tolkin has seen few to no starts in the attack. I doubt any club would look to develop him as an attacker.
     
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