Bundesliga 2021/22- 22 women chase a ball for 90 minutes and at the end a German team wins

thanks for the link. Apparently no extra financial backing for Turbine even though they made into the German Cup final & still have an chance for the Champions League? As 4 good players of theirs are still with no contract. But then for the upcoming season, they signed an interesting player in Maya Hahn, who’s just completed American college season & was a member of the u17 New Zealand NT, but now switching to the German u20 instead

meantime at Wolfsburg; both VDS & Blasse are out of contract. Problem with them is there’s just too few clubs out there with the creds of WOB or even pay the same salary. Cordes switches over to Koln, this mid in my book holds a lot of potential, but was out of favor with Stroot. Hopefully Koln proofs to be a real pro club, though every time I tuned into them, their big names weee missing(thus thinking they had better things to do! lol)

 

Potsdam probably need to follow 1 FFC Frankfurt's path towards being fully merged/integrated into the financial structure of the nations larger football institutions.

In Potsdam's case, I remember reading they had some discussions with Hertha BSC, which eventually allowed them to sign players like Cerci. But if they intend to take themselves to a level they can genuinely compete for a UCL place, this deal with Hertha should be taken to the next logical step.

1 FFC Turbine Potsdam... becomes Hertha BSC women...

 

Knowing the depth Germany's player pool currently has in CM/AM roles, it's interesting a young player like Hahn would chose Germany's wnt program over New Zealand...

I mean, she's not even named in Germany's recently announced U-20 WC squad...

 

Can you please explain what you think your seeing in the late game substitute appearances of Cordes, that nobody else can identify as her potentially being a strong player..?

I can understand talented players missing U-17/19/20 football, and still becoming regulars for elite clubs, or eventual senior wnt stand outs. But Cordes has done absolutely nothing to highlight any major potential...

Gräwe, Weidauer (both younger than a 21yo Cordes) have been producing great individual seasons for their clubs in CM roles; but then think how far away they are from fellow 21 or under players, such as Lohmann, Nusken, Lattwein, Oberdorf...

 

This is an silly argument as some of these hotshot youngsters or at Cordes age have than peaked already & have seen their goal tally’s fallen way off from past years; Oberdorf 2 goals vs 9 last year/Buhl 2 vs 9 & 11 previously/Lohmann 1 vs 10/Nusken 1 vs 5 two years ago/even Brand has failed to as yet to put an single goal or assist since the winter break. Yet Rall(age 28) has seen her tally shoot up this season from 1 to 10/Wassmuth(age 25)from 4 to 11(21 if you include CL) Hagel(age 23) from 1 to 10 as well

so Cordes(age 21) still got a few years to go to prove herself, she just needed to get to another club. I found her to be more athletic in the Leupolz mold, rather than physical types preferred by WOB or technical ones by Bayern. But the problem for Cordes might be is Koln actually a full time pro club? Or more something like Essen or Freiburg where most it’s players seem to be holding down day jobs or are students at an local high school or university?

Oberdorf(age 20) has obviously has a lot of talent to go along with her physical assets, but do believe she does have a lot of maturing to do. She still makes mistakes out there, of course way more noticeable when she’s at CB, but remembering how she made an unnecessary foul on Miedema, late in the Arsenal match which turned into an free kick/goal. Could add not being an able to handle an steep high ball(which led to an Serbian goal ala Damnjanovic) or handle Putellas 1v1(which led to Spain’s only goal). mistakes just made this year alone. I notice that despite that ‘2nd best tackler’(though I’ve never seen a link to an website that confirmed that) she can over commit herself on defense or getting hurt in the process (Hegering has that similar problem).
So surprised that you feel that her age, she’s Germany’s best mid, compared to Sweden , who’s two top mids; Aslani(age 32) & Seger(age 36) apparently still in their prime(as their NT is currently #2 in the world), to go along with the decades of experience as these two know every trick in the book, which includes cynical pro fouls as well faking fouls to get red cards on unassuming defenders. Yet you feel Germany’s future should largely depend on the kinda still innocent likes of Oberdorf & other still youths?

 

Wolfsburg 1 - 0 Europe

Bis 2⃣0⃣2⃣5⃣! Sveindis Jonsdottir hat ihren Vertrag bei den Wölfinnen vorzeitig verlängert! 🎉

Sveindis, wir freuen uns so sehr, dass dich bei uns so wohlfühlst! 😍💚

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— VfL Wolfsburg Frauen (@VfL_Frauen) May 10, 2022

 

Wolfsburg just being smart, making sure they actually receive some kind of financial transaction once Jonsdottir eventually decides to leave the club in her mid 20's (and naturally, she will).

 

... OK, so were genuinely comparing a bench role playing Cordes, to talents like Oberorf, Bühl, Nüsken, Lohmann. And doing so, while randomly deciding Brand now a bust..., clearly not understanding how Rall, Waßmuth, Hagel, at some stage prior ALL end up demonstrating the potential to become the very good players we see right now.

Oh... and you've also said this, not attempting to showcase anything... anywhere, highlighting Cordes producing something significantly impressive to demand/deserve credible attention...

 

I'm not going anywhere near that awful Leupolz comparison lol; but Köln has 20yo domestic junior international Gudorf, and 22yo Polish international Zawistowska. No excuses from either player, I can all but guarantee next season they'll be showcasing their undeniable potential to eventually be recognized by stronger clubs very soon.

Meaning it's comical seeing you making such weak excuses for a player your prepared to compare alongside the very best young talent in the league. Because if she's as good as you think she is, like Gudorf, and Zawistowska, Cordes should shine regardless of her new clubs limitations , no...?

 

Remember when Miedema took a world class deep breath of air, and Oberdorf didn't match her esteemed rival.... Seriously though... Oberdorf played in a combined 29 games for club and country in 2021/22, and all you constantly revert back to is this weird obsession with Oberdorf Vs. Miedema lol...

She's a 20yo CM/AM, who's been tasked with a new DM role for her club this season, resulting in a series of genuinely fantastic performances, where she'd produce some of the most impressive/unique stats for any player within the defensive third of the field.

But no... this should only come down to us remembering when Oberdorf fouled Miedema once outside the PK box, and it resulted in a lucky assist for Arsenal's late game equalizer in a game Wolfsburg as a team looked like garbage lol... logic!

 

Oberdorf is NOT A CB, and using every piece of evidence we've seen, she'll remain a genuinely mediocre CB whenever it mean being compared to defensive performances from rivals, or even wnt's with far less heralded CB options.

So I can't fathom this constant need to pretend it's not a complete farce seeing her abilities wasted in a CB role for the wnt, just because dummies within the wnt program can't grasp what Stroot could identify after only working with her for a few weeks.

It's clear for all to see in a very basic format.. https://www.uefa.com/womenschampionsleague/statistics/
Oberdorf not only the best CM Germany posses, but one of the best female CM's currently playing within European football.

 

This coming from the avatar constantly telling people young players like Buhl, and Brand, should be expected to lead Germany to victory at the Euro's; YES... you said that...

And anyway... if Oberdorf isn't Germany's best CM... then who is..? I feel Magull this wnt's real leader (captain), but she's the nations best CAM, not CM/DM. Popp, or Marozsan for sure aren't the best. Däbritz isn't really a CM, but she's not better than Oberdorf within a CM/DM either.

Nüsken, Lohmann, Lattwein, Hagel, Dongus, Leupolz... all no. So please tell me who's currently in this German player pool, who can genuinely claim to be a better CM/DM than Oberdorf right now...?

 

75 – VfL Wolfsburg’s Lena Oberdorf has won 75 duels in this season’s #UWCL – more than any other player. She also lead all players in tonight’s match against Arsenal with nine duels won. Effort. #WOBARS pic.twitter.com/TCgqtCfZmz

— OptaFranz (@OptaFranz) March 31, 2022

But what do I know... I heard Oberdorf's only accomplishment was getting destroyed by Miedema...

 

This prior to facing Arsenal, with Oberdorf's primary role being CM/DM too.

 

Interesting chart, but if scoring actual goals us this absolutely biggest favor in soccer with an slight nod to assists, than it’s Putellas with 10 goals/2 assists compared with Oberdorf’s zero goals/3 assists, which surprisingly matches your arch nemesis, Dr Turrid Knaak’s CL total(in an heck of a lot less playing time!)

 

Yep, and you’ll need at least one or two to step up with an Ballon D’Or type performances to win the Euros these days. It’s no more 2013(where opposing attackers like Melis & Oqvist shot wide despite zero defenders in front of them). Even not 2017(when two main stars took the Dutch to glory) these days there’s a lot more skill & parity & money turned into the mix

at least Buhl showed at the 2nd PSG game that she wants to take charge(as I felt that her performance was way superior than any other BM player)

Your banking on mids to carry the day(even though they don’t provide a whole lot goal scoring. Oberdorf did start at DM at time vs Portugal(which turned out to be an good 3-0 win) but also started for the first half vs Serbia(down 0-1) before being switched to CB
You seem to agree with most of MVT’s other starters, but cept for Schuller, going with Bundi stats, seem to like it’s missing an goal scoring punch;

Buhl(2 goals)…Schuller(15)…..Huth(4)
Dabritz(7)…….Oberdorf(2)…..Magull(4)
Rauch(3)……?………..?……..Gwinn(5)

with now the Bundi with an wealth of domestic goal scorers, the lineup could look like this instead

Wassmuth(11)…Schuller(15)…Kossler(10)
Hagel(11)………Freigang(10)….Kayikici(11)
Rall(10)……..?………….?…….Gwinn(5)

that’s an jump from 38 goals to 83! and wouldn’t you agree that for those 1st three group games, what MVT needs most is offense(and tons of it if she wants to avoid the group’s 2nd or less)

 

Nice deflection lol, but this was meant to be about the high quality standards of Obderdorf seeing her establish herself as one of the European club scenes best players, and without question the wnt's best CM/DM.

This was never about Bühl, or Brand, randomly asserting themselves as a prime Marta in a few weeks, leading a one woman offensive assault towards MVT accomplishing Euro's glory...

You needlessly doubted the quality of Oberdorf, and suggested her role as the nations best CM player somehow problematic, due to her supposed "inexperience"; even though this logic makes ZERO sense, knowing you also stated the need for a 21yo Buhl, or a 19yo Brand, to independently lead the national team to glory...

 

The potential of Bühl to become a truly elite player is genuine, but suggesting she was remotely close to the performance of Lohmann in the second match Vs. PSG...

I'm not sure Buhl knows how good she should be right now... and had some of the most important moments for Bayern against PSG. But ignoring the more significant influence of Lohmann in both WUCL knockout games Vs. PSG... no, can't allow it lol.

 

No... again, this was me simply reminding you why Oberdorf is IN FACT Germany's best mid-fielder. This has nothing to do with me "banking on mids" being the most significant part of MVT's wnt, I'm simply stating a very obvious fact about Oberdorf in relation to the other players in the wnt player pool.

I think Hagel has been a better player this season than Dallmann, while both Kossler, and Cerci, should have had bigger roles within MVT's recent failures in England.

But beyond that, using club form... I feel the wnt should have been a pretty simple process for MVT to create a competent wnt, with a very strong mid-field and attack.

Big problem though, MVT hasn't used the resources of the league very well, meaning the wnt still has a awful defensive platform, no mid-field balance, and an attack which regularly struggles to receive the ball in areas they can be most effective.

 

Did we not learn ANYTHING from watching Wolfsburg collapse in the Camp Nou..? You need a defensive framework first, to eventually establish anything positive in attack.

The leagues best defenders aren't being selected/tested for the wnt. The leagues best CM/DM/AM's continue to underperform within a disorganized wnt system. The leagues best forwards don't contribute anything resembling the best of their abilities within a tactically disappointing wnt.

Clearly... if you couldn't tell, the past 5 years says this isn't about simply selecting the best random individuals anymore. The defeat to Serbia shocking in it's tactical naivety, highlighting exactly what needs to addressed/fixed to help Germany's wnt players improve as a team.

 

My 2021/22 Team of the season...
Kössler ----------------- Schüller ---------------- Waßmuth
---------------------------- Prasnikar --------------------------
------------- Nüsken ---------------- Oberdorf ------------
Rauch ---- Hendrich ----------- Janssen -------- Gwinn
----------------------------- Frohms -----------------------------

My 2021/22 U-23 Team of the season...
------------ Kössler -------------- Cerci -------------
----------------------- Prasnikar -----------------------
Wieder ---- Nüsken ------- Oberdorf ----- Linder
--------- Agrez --- Steuerwald --- Kleinherne ----------
------------------------- Leitzig -------------------------

My personal POTY: Selina Cerci
My personal young POTY: Lena Oberdorf

 

breaking news, Bayern lets go of their head coach Scheuer. I could see this coming as under him, Bayern lost all 3 games this year vs Wolfsburg plus an disappointing quarter finals elimination in the Champions League. This last season he was banking on heavily reruitment of foreign players, but with their different styles & continues rotation of it's star studed roster, it didn't quite work. Another indication that Scheuer wasn't going to stay is so far no new recruit announcements....and that's despite of letting go of Jakobsson., Hegering & Demann

 

They beat Wolfsburg once at home last season, drawing away, losing the cup match, taking part in a highly frustrating semi final defeat in the UCL.

This season, they had another unfortunate WUCL exit, with the factors behind that loss also playing a major role in their two end season defeats to Wolfsburg.

So I doubt Bayern this level of irrational, when it comes to deciding who runs their women's team...; as Covid, suspension, injury, aren't factors anyone can really control, and Bayern's football this season while hitting various lows, also saw many highs, that truly suggested this team was still progressing towards something very positive.

To be honest... they way you've constantly dismissed anything positive about Bayern this season, leaves me highly skeptical of any of your assertions currently speculating on why Scheuer and his club felt the need to separate lol...

 

@hotjam2 Bayern's entire season seemed defined by a crazy few weeks most female teams couldn't have dealt with. And it's why I personally feel like this recent news of Scheuer's exit, came from a growing internal standoff with his desire for access to a bigger budget...

I mean... just seeing Kumagai 31, Wenninger 31, and a 32yo Hegering, all either injured or out of form for large parts of the season, we found out the hard way pretty quickly, that Viggosdottir wouldn't become the elite CB replacement this level of club needed, to address the obvious issues in it's squad right now.

And when you factor this teams needs for another elite CM, and an elite wide forward, to help a rotation based squad to compete within increasingly competitive domestic and European competition, I genuinely believe Scheuer drew a line in the sand on an increased budget for next season, with the club wasting little time in openly calling his bluff.

 

To see Scheuer leave so soon into Bayern's long term project, screams out major alarm bells for what Bayern as a club content with, versus what Scheuer felt he/players need for this team to improve.

The month of facing PSG, dealing with the leagues 3rd place race, and trying to stay on Wolfsburg's necks, saw Bayern's squad depleted to the point of needing to use injured players during key matches that would define the fate of the season...

And seeing Scheuer's demeanor of increasing frustration during this point of the season, there's surely no way he wasn't defiantly telling key people within Bayern, that he needed a better squad if he was going to get this team where the club felt it wanted it's women's side to be.