Building A Team For The New Bernabeu - The Summer Transfer Thread

I’m with 4x4 on this, you can’t expect him to develop to a RM player based on him at a 15 year old. I watched that highlight clip where everyone was going “sign him now”, and I saw a kid who is physically mature for his age able to use that speed to go by defenders who look like they could barely stand up let alone be playing in the Spanish Second division.

Sure he’s got some talent, but I’m not a scout, however law of averages says he’s not going to pan out as a top player. Vinny and Neymar are the exception not the rule. Rodrygo and Reiner are not RM level players. The amount of money we spent on theme, maybe we break even. However, the Opportunity cost of not having bought 20 kids for our academy for the 70 million we spent on those two could have caused us to miss out and develop someone else.

Were trying to thread the needle; we’re not Ajax or Dortmund hoovering up as many youth players as possible to develop and sell, but we’re not able to splash the cash on an infinite amount of 75 million plus players like the oil clubs, Chelski, City and PSG or the foolish clubs like Man U, Arsenal or Barca.

Cherry picking these teenage “talents” for 50 million or players like Camvinga/Touchmeni/Gravenberch is the 2.0 version of Zidanes y Pavones.

 

yes but i don’t think the discussion here is wether this particular player will turn out good. The idea that out management has shifted from buying basically only galácticos to actually investing in top prospects is great news. Add the fact that we’re now competing against State teams, when a potentially top talent emerges, it’s good to know management is on top of things. I’d rather invest 30 mil on him and have him bust in 6 years than let the opportunity go and want him for 140 in 4. It’s just good business that RM goes after potentially the best 15 year old out there especially if it’s already having to compete for his signature. It’s a no brainer. If management thinks it’s worth it, I love the idea.

 

Also say between vini Rodrygo and Reiner we spent 110million. If one turns out to be a bust, the other a legend and the other we sell down the line for 80 million, it’s a huge win and is probrably one of the best scenarios the club had when they bought three teenage Brazilian kids.

 

Luis Enriques made a deliberate attempt to undermine realmadrid Spanish players as part of a conspiracy and most of Spanish NT players are real Madrid rejects - the best example Morata

 

Rodrygo is the most underrated player because he also has defensive duties at right-back due to Carvajal injury - any point in time we can recoup 110 m investments from the sale of these two players ( rodrygo has same potential as vini jr)

 

in the long-run real Madrid would not spend significant transfer fees on players close to 30 age -now it is the policy of vini & Alaba type signing - in nutshell picking a potential young player and grooming them or cherry-picking players at end of their contract period like Alaba

 

What sense does it make to chase players who are not even developed, a 16 year old for 50 million, is this to avoid pay 75 million for an average player? Neither one of those models make any sense.

Looking at it, more and more players are going to run their contracts down, and leave for free and get even more money with signing. Look at how the NBA has changed, that’s where we’re heading for Football.

Players want more freedom and a bigger slice of the money. The only way they can do that is by running down their contracts.

Your still operating under the assumption of a past model, where transfers were only getting bigger. I don’t see that happening anymore. Players have the power now.

 

Yeah, and the same applies to buying players ready to step into our starting 11. Maybe Mbappe will play 50 games straight, maybe he will have a career-ending injury in the first game.

Prospects, galacticos, squad players... it's all a big gamble if we think about it.

15-year-old Brazilian kids don't excite (lol, what a nice thing to say), but I understand people getting excited about this youngster scouting policy.

 

Indeed, maybe Eden will be good for us......................

 

If that's all that you saw, yup, that checks out.

I was impressed by far more than just his physical prowess in that clip, though that was certainly impressive as well. It was combining that power and speed with what appeared to be a natural finishing instinct on everything from 1v1s, to powerful shots after turning with back to goal at the top of the box, to a bicycle kick and a goal from half-field.

And it's as easy to say "chances are he won't become a star" as it is to say "chances are we won't win the CL" each and every year.

 

Felix - 128 ME, Dembele - 105 ME plus 30 variables, Coutinho - 140 ME plus 20 variables, Griezmann - 120 ME. None of them were even top 10 attacking players at the time. One can make a case Hazard was in 2018-19 so excluding him. So yes Flo, please spend 45 ME on Vini, Rodrygo etc. It's medium risk and high reward in a market where Felix with 6 months of Portuguese football costs 128 ME.

 

Not many top attacking players will run their contract down. Ballack did in 2006 too but that was the exception because Bayern did a Alaba then as well. Your boy Pogba is way past his best. No one wanted to pay decent transfer fee for him. He will be someone else's burden with high wages and signing bonus next. Probably PSG since they gonna win a bunch of Ligue 1 either ways.

Mbappe is only free because PSG are state owned and rejected 180 ME bid. Dybala, Rudiger etc who aren't exactly top tiers are also negotiating renewal so it could go either way.

Vinicius is a huge steal and Rodrygo is at least worth the 45 ME we paid. Also remember you saying Vini is not RM quality in his thread at the start of the season and Utd wouldn't even offer 45 ME we paid when there was a rumour posted there. So you might be wrong about Rodrygo too in few months. Anyways, he's good enough to be a squad player right now.

 

.@MarioCortegana | Real Madrid is leading the race for Endrick, the 15-year-old pearl of Palmeiras. It is estimated that it could be closed at a fixed 20-25 million that could go to 45-50 with the bonuses. He cannot join the merengue team until he is 18 years old.

.@MarioCortegana | El Real Madrid encabeza la carrera por Endrick, perla del Palmeiras de 15 años. Se estima que se podría cerrar en unos 20-25 millones fijos que se podrían ir a los 45-50 con los bonus. No puede unirse a la disciplina merengue hasta cumplir los 18 años. pic.twitter.com/KiKRliQt2v

— RealEspartaβ (@RealEspartaB) January 25, 2022

 

RM has one of the most expensive academies. People don't do any research and pass assumptions. Do they really think we are passing on 20 Spanish kids to sign Vinicius? Our youth system dominate at Juvenil level. Bitter truth is players like Carvajal or Hakimi isn't coming along that frequently in Spain. How many Spanish starters were there in our team that won 4 CLs? We care about winning and have never been xenophobic even going back to 50s.

RM gotta look at global market for talent. There's Athletic Bilbao for local obsession. Friggin Morata is Spain's No.9. Whole of Spain isn't producing anyone like Villa or Torres because that's not something that can be produced. Elite talent needs to be there first. Italy had this problem for long too and still do outside of midfield.

 

IN POLE POSITION FOR ENDRICK

Real Madrid are ahead of the competition to sign the young player from Palmeiras who shares the same representation agency as Vinicius.

His clause is 17 M€ but he is 15 years old and he will not be able to join Europe before he is 18 years old. @MarcA

EN POLE POSITION POUR ENDRICK

Le Real Madrid devance la concurrence pour recruter le jeune joueur de Palmeiras qui partage la même agence de représentation que Vinicius.
Sa clause est de 17 M€ mais il a 15 ans et il ne pourra pas rejoindre l'Europe avant ses 18 ans. @marca pic.twitter.com/T2JukJ3F3m

— Madrid France (@Madrid_FRA) January 25, 2022

https://www.marca.com/futbol/real-madrid/2022/01/25/61eff920268e3e11408b45bd.html

 

I don't understand what is wrong with scouting and signing the best young talent you can?

 

Endrick already has a sponsorship deal with Nike until February 2023.

 

This year, there are a few good players who are winding down their contracts. Next year, unless there are any renewals we should see even more;

https://www.transfermarkt.us/statistik/endendevertraege

I had doubts about Vinny going into this season, he’s had a good start, but we’re seeing him kind of drop off the last month or two. I hope he turns it around and picks it back up again, it who knows if he’s going to keep getting better.

Rodrygo may turn it around, but looks unlikely to get any playing time next year when Mbappe arrives. He’s not going be much more than a squad player for us, which at 45 million seems a bit high to pay.

We will find out about all of the above in a year or two.

 

Bayern managed to keep Goretzka and Coman by renewing their contracts. Didn't end uplike Alaba. Dembele too injury prone so clubs only wanted to pay good wages if he's bosman. I think top quality players being available on bosman will still be rare. Clubs will either cash in like Chelsea did with Hazard or try their best to renew to not lose them for free. Bayern did that with Kimmich. Offered what he wanted rather than dragging it on to 2022-23. I expect Salah to renew as well.