Matt Miazga playing for Alaves

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  1. Gorky

    Gorky Member+

    Jul 28, 2006
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    New York Red Bulls
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    United States
    0-0 final
     
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  2. Jamooky

    Jamooky Member+

    Mar 24, 2006
    Cleveland, OH USA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    musta played well then. the williams bros have been ballin' out lately for Bilbao, so a clean sheet is great
     
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  3. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #8228 adam tash, Jan 9, 2022
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    can we just put the "hes not good enough to play in a top 4 league" narrative to bed already?

    last couple of years in this thread a lot of posters have said championship/belgium/netherlands is his max level.....which, for me, has been total BS....I've always thought he was good enough to play well in a top 4 league and hes done nothing but that this year in spain.

    https://www.fotmob.com/match/3629284/matchfacts/deportivo-alaves-vs-athletic-club

    7th highest rated player out of 27 that saw the field in this match

    https://www.sofascore.com/tournament/football/spain/laliga/8

    here only 5 players had a higher rating than he did

    https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1...ga-2021-2022-Deportivo-Alaves-Athletic-Bilbao

    roughly similar here as well

    He's good enough, people....just admit it!!!!!!
     
  4. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Matt had to play today, Laguardia got his fourth yellow in the Sociedad game.
     
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  5. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Hopefully he did well enough to get the go ahead in the next match on the 18th.
     
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  6. m vann

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    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’ve always thought Miazga was good enough to play in a top 5 league. But for whatever reason he’s on a roller coaster. He’ll have these 5-6 match stretches where it’s clear as day he belongs in a Top 5 league. Then Miazga makes a bone headed mistake or has a dog shit match and he’s on the bench. It’s been a vicious cycle with every club and every manager. For me, that’s not by coincidence. That doesn’t scream being singled out as an American. It’s a result of something, that he’s on a short leash and/or finds himself in and out the doghouse. I just can’t cannot put a finger on what that “something” is.
     
  7. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    I don't think it's ever been that he *can't* play in a top 4-5 league. He's shown more than once he can. It's more that he has yet to show he's valuable enough to a top-4-5 league team, considering the alternatives, that they have to keep him (or are willing to pay the money to keep him.) And like MVann, I'm not 100% sure why that is. At Vitesse he beat out some very decent, experienced competition and they clearly preferred him on the field most of the time. Be great if he can do that in the La Liga. A good number of minutes this season a Alaves would be helpful to set him up well for the inevitable transfer away from Chelsea, whenever it comes.
     
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  8. felloveranddidanadu

    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Dec 12, 2009
    Club:
    San Jose Frogs
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Right, and to your point, if memory serves he has immigrant parents? And spoke Polish at home? After the 5 or 6 years he's had living in every country in Europe he pretty a-typical for your average Joe Six-Pack American
     
  9. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Miazga looked fairly poor in the matches and highlights of late last season's Belgian action. He has looked much better in the matches I've seen this season. His raw numbers and performance metrics have also been good.
     
  10. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    are you saying he was poor in belgium? i dont think that was what was reported. didnt watch the highlights of him in belgium...its interesting if he had a late-season swoon. he was an almost every game starter for vincent kompany who gave him a lot of compliments throughout the season. im assuming the reason they gave - that hes too expensive for them - is the reason he didnt stay there. maybe he has a pattern of late season slumps for some reason...maybe its when he finds out hes going to yet another team soon and not staying where hes at.
     
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  11. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    He got moved to a relegation battler.
     
  12. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    He’s bounced around a ton of teams in a ton of leagues. If he was really good enough to consistently start for a decent team in a top 5 league, SOMEBODY would’ve stepped up and bought him for 8-12 million dollars. It’s not just Alaves or Anderlecht or Reading. The other teams in those leagues are surely scouting their opponents’ players as potential acquisitions as well.

    and I don’t mean that to be harsh on Miazga. He’s capable of playing well, but consistency has been his issue, both for club and country.

    at this moment, Chris Richards is a solid starter for a mid-level Bundesliga team. I realize they’re 3rd in the table now, but the season isn’t over, and the Bundesliga is crowded with a bunch of decent teams this year. The point is that Richards is what a solid mid-level starter should look like. And he’s a lot better than Miazga. A lot of guys, including guys like Ream and Sargent can play for relegation battlers in top 5 leagues, but that doesn’t mean they’re any good at that level.
     
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  13. wixson7

    wixson7 Member+

    May 12, 2009
    boulder
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  14. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Has he shown enough so far for Alaves to pick him up permanently? Thoughts on this?
     
  15. Gorky

    Gorky Member+

    Jul 28, 2006
    NYC
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    New York Red Bulls
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    United States
    How much would they pay for a player who is clearly a backup CB?
     
  16. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
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    Portland Timbers
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    United States
    I don't profess to know much of anything, but I see from transfermarkt that Alavés' top transfer fee paid is $4.4M. They've got quite a few transfers in the last 5 years over $2M, but somewhere between $2M and $3M seems to be what they're willing to pay. Now, if they'd be willing to pay that for Miazga, if they see him as a backup or would project him as a starter, I don't have the slightest idea. Chelsea paid $5M for him, and his current market value (also per transfermarkt) is $2.75M. Seems well within the range of possibility. I don't think Chelsea will ever get all their money back, anyway.
     
  17. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    I think he has shown enough everywhere, except maybe France, that he is a good enough player. Just not good enough to force a transfer fee out of anyone. A player coaches would like to have on their squad, but not worth a fee.
    Maybe Matt and EPB will start together somewhere one day when their clubs stop paying them.
     
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  18. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    I can see Miazga being willing to come back to MLS if the likes of Atlanta, LAFC or Seattle make him a DP or a TA player but I cannot imagine a scenario where he agrees to play in the USL for USL money.

    So no, him and EPB are not going to start for the same club side. Ever.:(
     
  19. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
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  20. Gorky

    Gorky Member+

    Jul 28, 2006
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  21. YNWA Rob

    YNWA Rob Member+

    Liverpool FC
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    Nov 12, 2020
    Indiana
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  22. YNWA Rob

    YNWA Rob Member+

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Nov 12, 2020
    Indiana
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    United States
    OK - Matt should not be anywhere near the national team based on that one moment.
     
  23. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
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    Millwall FC
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    United States
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  24. YNWA Rob

    YNWA Rob Member+

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    Nov 12, 2020
    Indiana
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    United States
    Wasn't even playing it out of the back.
     
  25. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    Matt is just not consistent.

    Matt just isn’t Top 5 league reliable/regular material.

    I’m not even counting the poor pass. I have watched enough of him through the years, and he just can’t/hasn’t elevated past a certain level.
     
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