The All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by bigredfutbol, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Jets have had top ten picks in 9 of the last 16 seasons and have got steadily worse.
     
  2. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Hadn’t Green Bay already gained home field advantage throughout the playoffs?

    There’s a solution to that problem.
     
  3. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes
    Better leadership (ownership).
     
  4. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, someone has to lose (so we've been told) .... Regardless of league structure that is a constant of sporting endeavors, so who cares if there are perennial losers ?
     
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  5. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    And yet they can coast along without that…
     
  6. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because there are no bad owners in P/R leagues?
     
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  7. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, the local CBS network pays a lot of money to show their games, there's a waiting list for season tickets and the sports bars in NYC and Long Island are packed.
     
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  8. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    Yeah, if I can accept the integrity of one team winning a league for eight or nine years straight, I can also accept a perennial bottom feeder.
     
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  9. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego Loyal
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not all of it. Some of their compensation is delayed. Quite a normal occurrence.
     
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  10. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Because they would be replaced with a better managed team. But you knew that.
     
  11. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Exactly my point. Little incentive to improve on the field of play.
     
  12. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    The perennial winner isn’t showing a lack of integrity by coasting.
     
  13. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    Losing doesn’t mean coasting.
     
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  14. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because no promoted team has ever been more poorly managed than the relegated team, and no relegated team has even been well managed but unlucky. No wait, neither of those are true.

    But you knew that.
     
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  15. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So what exactly is the point of sport in your opinion?
     
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  16. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Following up on this story, Chester have now rescheduled both home matches this week (one league, one U19 Cup) while they wait for this mess to get sorted out. They aren't in a position to risk fines for allowing a bigger crowd, but they also can't afford to not have the crowd without financial assistance. The Welsh government did make assistance available to Welsh clubs impacted by these changes, but up until now Chester did not think they were impacted or eligible for the assistance and did not apply.
     
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  17. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Basically the front door, the mailbox and part of the car park are in England.
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    Source: Daily Mail
     
  18. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Apparently all the offices are considered to be in England, which is why the club has an English mailing address.
     
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  19. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The tv share is known ... There's the 'times on tv' or whatever money and them table placement money.

    By the time they kick off their next season, they've been paid for the previous one. Any delayed or differed compensation like that is already known or accounted for or earned by that season's performance/lack of.

    Which, is the point. They get theirs for being in the Prem for that season. The parachute payment is separate, entirely, and is on top of any monies earned already.

    You're seriously saying there's no badly managed teams in p/r? Wow ...
     
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  20. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So Toronto's bid for a top draft pick ended when they gave away their 3rd pick and a US international striker to FC Dallas for $50k.

    Cincinnati, who fired their coach, have second pick this afternoon, followed by Dallas using Toronto's pick, and Houston who fired their coach and their GM.
     
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  21. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Nice little combo about p/r and such that includes NONE of us and the opinions are ..... Well, see for yourself
     
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  22. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego Loyal
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You realize the parachute payments come from the same pot as all the other money right? There isn't special money for the parachute payments. It's all agreed ahead so it's all just forms of compensation for wait for it, PLAYING IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE. You keep focusing on the relegation part and ignoring the fact that they only way you can get parachute payments is if you EARN your way into the prem in the first place. It's just a different way to earn compensation. They could do away with them tomorrow and wouldn't change to fundamentals of pro/rel. And no this is not a way that pro/rel rewards failure because the club finishing 17th will earn more money than the relegated clubs.

    Not really sure what your point is with this one. Don't mean that snarkily I just don't. A fan of a French Rugby League club (that plays in a British really English really Yorkshire and Lancashire league) doesn't want their club relegated. Okay and the sun rises in the East. Not really sure that makes any kind of a point. The replies I saw seem mixed with quite a few "HELL NO's" and unless you're an expert on the workings of the Super League not sure you can offer an educated opinion on the subject.
     
  23. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just on that subject:

    Oxford vs. Luton
    Notts vs. Grimsby

    The only matches that have taken place in each of the top 5 divisions.
     
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  24. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's not true though is it. If Norwich get relegated in part place they get prize money for finishing 20th, plus parachute payments, which are a percentage of EPL TV money over the following seasons.

    So all they need to do is show up to matches and they'll get £90 million plus £55 million plus £45 million. Burnley would get 4 years worth of payments.

    If that's prize money for reaching the EPL then they should get it when they reach the EPL.
     
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  25. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Both New York teams have to deal with the brutal local media.
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