The coming boom in multi-eligible player recruitment

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by Dave Marino-Nachison, Jul 27, 2020.

  1. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    I wouldn’t hold anyone back. To be clear I meant go after the top talents hard early on. The kids who show real tangible high level possibilities. Do your best with all but concentrate on those with difference making possibilities. When I mean hard, not predatory cap tie either, Just build a real trusting relationship.
    Example? Someone like Musah, Dest and now Pepi. Big wins among the many, but key ones. I think the Che love is smart. Bayern wants him, he will go there, and he has German citizenship. Do we think a coach like Hansi Flick wouldn’t pick him for their Nats if he showed promise. Yo bet he would.
    The Gomez move is great. Everything could always be different, but if he can truly help I don’t worry about predatory cap tying, because GB has shown he will play those guys, and give them a real shot.
     
  2. Luksarus

    Luksarus Member

    United States
    Jul 27, 2018
    Really, he was not even taken into account in the U17 team. For U17 he only received an invitation in the Nike Friendlies (I don't remember if in 2018) and he did not make the final list. Then he didn't get any more calls because Wicky didn't consider him good enough, and called to Armour and Tolkin.
    He did play several games with the U16, but it's not an age group to consider since cannot retain players with those games.
     
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  3. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
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    I remember that Wicky was asked about Gomez by a journalist, and he suggested that he was behind Armour and Tolkin. It was ridiculous at the time. Still is now, although Tolkin is doing pretty well. USSF might really pay for that decision eventually. I think Bello vs. Tolkin is closer than Gomez against any of them.
     
  4. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I very much agree with this. The provisional cap tie can very much sometimes force a decision because you have to file a one time switch, as opposed to the player having more time/space to wait and see.
     
  5. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yup. The only invitation Gomez got during the U17 World Cup cycle was for the 2018 Nike Friendlies. He trained there but was not on the final roster.

    The three "U17" caps Gomez got were for the lone post-U17 World Cup U16 camp -- the 2019 Nike Friendlies. Some sources erroneously called the US U16s at that point as the US U17s, and the actual post-WC US U17 team at that tournament (Sagir Arce, Jack de Vries, Gilbert Fuentes, Jonathan Tomkinson, Seth Wilson, etc.) as the US U18s. Officially though, all of Gomez's caps were with the US U16s.
     
  6. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
  7. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    If true it wold be funny in a lot of ways.

    Pefok was ignored by Cameroon and he joined us.
    Ebobisse was ignored by the US and he joins them.

    Boy, someone else’s mediocrity has to be better than our own mediocrity!!!!!!!!!

    Human nature at work.
     
  8. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Cameroon, for the record, is still alive in 2022 qualifiers; they managed to get to next year's final round just ahead of the Ivory Coast, more or less because they beat Mozambique away while CIV only tied them.
     
  9. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
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  10. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    If Slonina really wants to play for Poland, I suppose there's not that much point in discussing it.

    If he's torn, or leaning U.S., then it seems to me that inviting a guy who was recently in a USMNT camp and is the presumed U.S. U20 starter into a U.S.-based camp of what I'm guessing will be a somewhat motley assortment -- based on the observation that American-born/raised players haven't had much more than cups of coffee with Polish teams in recent years -- seems like an iffy recruiting tactic. (Of course, that could change, and maybe American guys are generally seen as more serious candidates for their teams now.)

    If their MNT was playing a friendly in Chicago or something, that might be another story.
     
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  11. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yup, Slonia seems like someone Poland needs to invite to a senior national team camp if they really want to court him. Especially since I agree that the players who go to said youth camp are going to be of varying quality as I don’t feel like we’re over flowing with dual Polish American youth products.
     
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  12. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Poland has much better and younger keepers than us. If all of a sudden Pomykal discovered Brazilian roots switching wouldn't be that wise. That's how much Slonina worries me. The same with ES. Nobody with chances to play for USA will go there. It's Mexico, Mexico, Mexico.
     
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  13. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    This is of course pure speculation, but is it possible that a strong finish to the season while on loan to Boro is enough to make Balogun a MNT candidate ahead of the WC? It seems pretty unlikely to me, but maybe if it comes down to form/health and he's willing to commit -- I dunno. Just putting it here so I look smart if it happens, I suppose. (By law, if it doesn't happen, I still look smart, FYI.)
     
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  14. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    What he said.

    I think the day will come that we will lose a player born here here to one of the giants of the game. If Che blows up it is possible. Probable? No, bt eventually it will happen. Otherwise yeah. It’s all about Mexico.
     
  15. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    Bt every account I have heard/read he wants to play for England. Looks like he is more than willing to bide his time. Still, a WC in 2002, and a guaranteed one at home in 2026 are big carrots. Can’t dangle those until he proves it against men in a pretty substantial way.
     
  16. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
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    A strong loan can put him on the radar. I’m not sure it makes him a best 23 candidate, but I can see how he is best 23 by the time the WC roster is selected. It’s then up to him to commit to play for us. It’s not as easy of a task as some of the other dual nationals.
     
  17. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Yes, obviously, a lot of dominoes would probably need to fall.
     
  18. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I mean.......................Dike lit the Championship on fire last season and hasn't had a regular USMNT place. Hasn't played a minute of WCQers.

    Doing well in the Championship hasn't been a method for USMNT involvement for quite a long time now. Ask Duane Holmes and those cats. CCV had two very good years in the Championship at Luton and Bournemouth and couldn't get a callup this past summer. The list goes on and on.

    So i definitely get what you guys are saying about Balogun, and I'm sure the USMNT staff would call him up to some friendlies NOW if he wants to commit. But succeeding in the Championship doesn't mean a lot in terms of USMNT involvement. I highly doubt Berhalter would call him up to the World Cup over the guys already in his team based on a good half year at Boro.
     
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  19. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Armenian FA will hold a camp in Los Angeles to find US-based talent:

     
  20. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    There are 3 million Armenians in Armenia.

    There are likely about 1 million Armenian-Americans.

    This makes a lot of sense.
     
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  21. Ironbound

    Ironbound Member+

    Jul 1, 2009
    A huge portion of whom live in LA and Orange County. It’s very smart of them.
     
  22. ogshortstufff

    ogshortstufff Member

    Chelsea
    United States
    Aug 8, 2020
    They should hold one in Watertown, MA ;)
     
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  23. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    And out of those 2 million live in LA.
     
  24. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    I would love to read a strategic plan for a European program's scouting and recruiting efforts in the U.S. I would guess these camps are as much about identifying supporters and possible sponsors/boosters as they are about adding a few players, especially for comparatively small federations. Not saying it's a bad idea!
     
  25. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
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