Covid-19: Vax Americana

Knave · Nov 26, 2021

JamesA said: ↑

They are testing the existing vaccine in a stronger concentration.
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I guess that means I'll probably be getting a booster for my booster.

Smurfquake · Nov 26, 2021

Sounders78 said: ↑

A ban on anyone coming from those countries, or a ban only on those nationals?

As we saw with Trump's most-excellent and not-racist-at-all ban regarding China, it's pointless to ban foreign nationals if you are also not doing something (such as quarantine) with Americans coming from those same locations.
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US citizens and permanent residents are not banned from coming back to the US from those countries and there are no quarantine restrictions, so unless the new variant is checking passports before infecting someone, the ban isn't going to do much.

soccernutter · Nov 26, 2021

The Jitty Slitter said: ↑

And what were they taking?
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What ever Tommy Simpson took.

soccernutter · Nov 26, 2021

Brilliant Dutch said: ↑

You gotta wait 10 years before you can make that assertion (regarding safety of experimental mRNA vaccines)
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Exactly. You...you specifically, need to wait 10 years. BTW, what is this source of the mythical 10 years?

And why do you ignore those who have posted links to the use of mRNA vaccines which are well over 10 years old?

soccernutter · Nov 26, 2021

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It is so weird to read the thread where most people are replying to someone I have on Ignore.

Be sure to take that troll out for a walk if you’re going to feed it so much.
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As was noted with the other continuing troll, they are spreading mis and dis-information which needs to be countered quickly and hard least the non-participants/watchers/observers think their line of falsehoods is acceptable.

Sounders78 said: ↑

I have met a couple people who also have issues to tomatoes - one was a waitress in Galway, Ireland and the other a guy who worked at a pub in Melbourne, Australia. Needless to say we are always excited to meet other members of our exclusive club!
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How do you guys not have a group chat or newsletter?

Paul Berry said: ↑

When do you think the micronchips will be ready?
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About 6 month ago. Obviously.

feyenoordsoccerfan · Nov 26, 2021

Fun fact:
Father of Luca de la Torre is virologist and busy with covid.
https://www.tubantia.nl/heracles/ho...ht~ae9f350a/?referrer=https://duckduckgo.com/

dapip · Nov 26, 2021

JamesA said: ↑

Introducing Nu.

********ing hell. We could be in for one hell of a ********ing ride. I sincerely hope it's an over reaction.

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I thought it was Omicron Persei 8.

ShayG · Nov 26, 2021

soccernutter said: ↑

As was noted with the other continuing troll, they are spreading mis and dis-information which needs to be countered quickly and hard least the non-participants/watchers/observers think their line of falsehoods is acceptable.

How do you guys not have a group chat or newsletter?

About 6 month ago. Obviously.
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No, misinformation does not need to be countered quickly. This is not a pre-k class with trusting young brains or a professional journalism outlet with societal obligations.

All that attitude does is feed the trolls who, having found a source of sustenance, are certain never to leave.

Knave · Nov 26, 2021

So, what's the verdict on Omicron?

Do I need to stock up on toilet paper again?

roby · Nov 27, 2021

Knave said: ↑

So, what's the verdict on Omicron?

Do I need to stock up on toilet paper again?
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I have 2 50 roll pkgs of Costo's. I use the oldest 1st so I don't exceed the use by date.

Ps...my momma didn't raise no dummy...if she did it was my brother!

The Jitty Slitter · Nov 27, 2021

ShayG said: ↑

No, misinformation does not need to be countered quickly. This is not a pre-k class with trusting young brains or a professional journalism outlet with societal obligations.

All that attitude does is feed the trolls who, having found a source of sustenance, are certain never to leave.
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+1

I've advocated several times over the years that we have some big boy/gal/ pants threads where repeatedly posting conspiracy theories and debunked talking points would be recognised as a form of trolling.

The climate change thread was the one i originally advocated this for, because for years the thread was derailed with denier talking points, and no matter how many times it was debunked, it kept coming back.

This footballer death conspiracy one was debunked days ago elsewhere, and is based on fake data/sources. But it's used to 'just ask questions" about the dangerous vaccines. Debunking is futile IMO. Bannon and co specialise in flooding the zone with shit. As we see - the thread gets devoted to "debunking" (i.e. talking about conspiracies) rather than discussing actual breaking COVID news.

But I seem to be in the minority on this.

diablodelsol · Nov 27, 2021

The Jitty Slitter said: ↑

+1

I've advocated several times over the years that we have some big boy/gal/ pants threads where repeatedly posting conspiracy theories and debunked talking points would be recognised as a form of trolling.

The climate change thread was the one i originally advocated this for, because for years the thread was derailed with denier talking points, and no matter how many times it was debunked, it kept coming back.

This footballer death conspiracy one was debunked days ago elsewhere, and is based on fake data/sources. But it's used to 'just ask questions" about the dangerous vaccines. Debunking is futile IMO. Bannon and co specialise in flooding the zone with shit. As we see - the thread gets devoted to "debunking" (i.e. talking about conspiracies) rather than discussing actual breaking COVID news.

But I seem to be in the minority on this.
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+1. Oh…and the fact that there is any debate at all on this when a troll combines racism and trolling is a pretty sad indictment of the moderators of this board.

ElNaranja · Nov 27, 2021

Knave said: ↑

So, what's the verdict on Omicron?

Do I need to stock up on toilet paper again?
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TBD.

That said, you ever want to know if there's a problem, look at what the rich and powerful are doing. And they're staying as far away from Omicron as possible.

Sssooo.....

The Jitty Slitter · Nov 27, 2021

diablodelsol said: ↑

+1. Oh…and the fact that there is any debate at all on this when a troll combines racism and trolling is a pretty sad indictment of the moderators of this board.
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Zuckerberg himself claimed it was fine for Facebook to carry holocaust denial conspiracies. Then when that turned into a toxic cesspit, he reversed positions months later and it is one of the few things FB has actually effectively cracked down on. Corona conspiracies is another thing they have made some (laughable) efforts to contain, but if you listen to Slavitt and co, the administration remains hugely concerned as to why FB actively assists grifters and clowns to undermine public health efforts, which cost the country a fortune, both in terms of money expended on the vaxx campaign, and sub optimal outcomes due to low vaxx levels.

We wouldn't let someone post holocaust denial here, so I don't see why climate denial, covid denial, white replacement theory etc is allowed.

The Jitty Slitter · Nov 27, 2021

soccernutter said: ↑

As was noted with the other continuing troll, they are spreading mis and dis-information which needs to be countered quickly and hard least the non-participants/watchers/observers think their line of falsehoods is acceptable.
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So per Zuckerberg, should someone be allowed to post holocaust denial here?

And if they did, would "ignoring" or "debunking" be effective?

If not, why should covid denial be allowed, given it is an existential threat to our societies?

Brilliant Dutch · Nov 27, 2021

Sounders78 said: ↑

The first mRNA vaccines were tested on mice in the 1990s and mRNA vaccines for rabies were tested on humans in 2013.

If there was a serious issue with mRNA vaccines, we'd know by now
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Those were cancer drugs though. Covid vaccines =/= cancer drugs

stanger · Nov 27, 2021

Brilliant Dutch said: ↑

Those were cancer drugs though. Covid vaccines =/= cancer drugs
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They are the exact same delivery method so they are equal.

A friend is a doc and he explained the difference between old school vaccines and mRNA vaccines this was.

Old school vax gave a dead virus so the body could figure out how to fight it. mRNA is skipping the part where the body has to figure it out, it’s just directions on how to do it.

Doesn’t matter if it’s cancer, corona or anything else, it’s just the instructions that change.

That isn’t what you heard on infowars?

charlie15 · Nov 27, 2021

The Jitty Slitter said: ↑

+1

I've advocated several times over the years that we have some big boy/gal/ pants threads where repeatedly posting conspiracy theories and debunked talking points would be recognised as a form of trolling.

But I seem to be in the minority on this.
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+ 1.
I have called out the mods more than once as well on this. Those clowns should be banned for spreading conspiracy theories and basically trolling here. There his ZERO benefit to have them on those boards.

charlie15 · Nov 27, 2021

Worth posting.....

1464355798742712335 is not a valid tweet id

JamesA · Nov 27, 2021

Omicron confirmed in England. It's too late for containment I suspect.

A flight from SA to Netherlands landed yesterday. 61 confirmed positive on the flight. They just don't know the % of omicron.

Boandlkramer · Nov 27, 2021

Hoping that current vaccines at least remain as successful against death

JamesA · Nov 27, 2021

Boandlkramer said: ↑

Hoping that current vaccines at least remain as successful against death
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Massively important.

A new vaccine will take 100 days to ship and weeks to physical inject on mass.

If the death effectiveness drops to anything below about 60 to 70%, we're back in global scale lockdowns by around January.

Sadly, another round of lockdown will be met with even more protests.

Naughtius Maximus · Nov 27, 2021

roby said: ↑

Your shoes aren't the only thing made out of wood!
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Our dutch friend, reading your post...

Naughtius Maximus · Nov 27, 2021

celito said: ↑

Saying people can't wonder is pretty damn militant.
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So it's OK for me to 'just wonder' if our dutch friend is a russian sock being paid to cause alarm among democratic countries by his nonsensical drivel?

I mean, I'm not saying he IS... I'm 'just wondering'

JamesA · Nov 27, 2021

Cases now detected in Czech Republic too.

It's everywhere by now, guaranteed. Sigh.

At this stage, I just really hope we get to Christmas day with my parents and in laws where I live.