Covid-19: Vax Americana

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  1. soccernutter

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    #10226 soccernutter, Nov 26, 2021
    Yes you can. And you will be told your wondering is bullshit when it is bullshit.
     
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  2. chaski

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    #10227 chaski, Nov 26, 2021
    I wonder if the players ate Hawaiian pizza.
     
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    #10228 Knave, Nov 26, 2021
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  4. russ

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    #10229 russ, Nov 26, 2021
    If they die,they die.
     
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  5. JamesA

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    #10230 JamesA, Nov 26, 2021
    Link or source?

    We have released many, many vaccines in under 10 years.

    The typical development timeline for vaccine is far more elaborate than simply waiting 10 years.

    It takes years for many reasons such as:

    Time to scientifically design and develop a vaccine
    Time to conduct various staged and controlled trials ensure efficacy and safety
    Time to make a business case to investors and stakeholders
    Time to write up hundreds and grant applications to get funding
    Time to wait for regulators to review and respond at each stage of the trials

    Every single one of those criteria changed significantly during the pandemic because, well, it was a pandemic and an urgent situation.

    There was an abundance of human and monetary capital investment around the world to render most of those irrelevant.
     
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    #10231 JamesA, Nov 26, 2021
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    #10232 xtomx, Nov 26, 2021
    That would be "irrational," wouldn't it?
     
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  8. Sounders78

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    #10233 Sounders78, Nov 26, 2021
    Which I never did.

    His "wondering" and "questioning", which were nothing less than insinuating, are irresponsible and conspiratorial. He has ZERO evidence that the vaccines had anything to do with their deaths. I repeat, ZERO evidence. We might as well "wonder" and "question" if the Dutch royal family sent secret agents to kill them because they had information that the Dutch royal family are pedophiles who drink the blood of babies. Hey, I'm just "wondering" and "asking questions" - I shouldn't be held responsible for that, even if I have ZERO evidence to support my views!
     
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  9. Sounders78

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    #10234 Sounders78, Nov 26, 2021

    Not to mention the technology is not new, with research dating back to the 1970s, and it was also previously used in Ebola vaccines:

     
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  10. Sounders78

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    #10235 Sounders78, Nov 26, 2021
    Yes, but that doesn't mean it is not "highly irresponsible and conspiratorial". Those two things are not mutually exclusive.
     
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  11. JamesA

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    #10236 JamesA, Nov 26, 2021
    Canada just implemented restrictions immediately.

    Foreign nationals from that region banned from entering our country in full.

    Meanwhile, citizens or permanent residents must undergo a 14 day mandatory quarantine, even if they test negative with a PCR test.
     
  12. soccernutter

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    #10237 soccernutter, Nov 26, 2021
    Mental health is a serious issue.
     
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  13. soccernutter

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    #10238 soccernutter, Nov 26, 2021
    11? What does that have to do with anything?
     
  14. chaski

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    #10239 chaski, Nov 26, 2021
    Not Hawaiian, I hope.:cautious:
     
  15. raza_rebel

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    #10240 raza_rebel, Nov 26, 2021
    I wonder if those players ate deep-dish pizza. If so, it is what it is
     
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  16. soccernutter

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    #10241 soccernutter, Nov 26, 2021
    Actually, there is one who is, and a second who posts irregularly. Not to mention that when we discuss positions or hypotheticals, we bring evidence from, you know, the people who are experts and are in the field.
     
  17. soccernutter

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    #10242 soccernutter, Nov 26, 2021
    Not possible. If they did, they would be running for ages. If they ate that limpy, fold-it-like-a-napkin stuff, then maybe.
     
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    #10243 celito, Nov 26, 2021
    Looking at that list from 2000 to 2021 and the reason of death given for each case, there is nothing that stands out about 2021 at all.

    In an earlier post you commented that you've never seen so many heart related issues in athletes ... my guess is that COVID has heightened your "senses" to these types of stories where as before COVID, we didn't really pay attention to these cases unless they happened to a high profile player. And you have anti-vaxx people with an agenda trying to pass these cases as something abnormal and propagating that through the Internet and social media so that it reaches people's eyeballs.

    I am not saying there is no issue, it's just that nobody has yet to present any statistics showing there is one. All are just posting a list of random cases and passing it as abnormal with zero analysis.

    BTW ... thanks for the link. I was looking for something like that once I started seeing these stories pop up.
     
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  19. JamesA

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    #10244 JamesA, Nov 26, 2021
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  20. soccernutter

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    #10245 soccernutter, Nov 26, 2021
    This is a problem (in general) that we now have information that we did not as recently as 5 years ago. But it is probably unlikely as a lot of those recently on the list are lower league players. As comparison, I was looking up high school gridiron deaths (as a comparable coverage and numbers of participating). I was able to go back about 10 years and see reports of multiple deaths per year. So is that a recent phenomenon? Unlikely. The deaths have probably been occurring for decades, but just have not been compiled due to lack of access to broad data.
     
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    #10248 The Jitty Slitter, Nov 26, 2021
    Meat space is a dangerous place - especially when garnished with pineapple
     
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  24. Brilliant Dutch

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    #10249 Brilliant Dutch, Nov 26, 2021
    You gotta wait 10 years before you can make that assertion (regarding safety of experimental mRNA vaccines)
     
  25. Sounders78

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    #10250 Sounders78, Nov 26, 2021
    The first mRNA vaccines were tested on mice in the 1990s and mRNA vaccines for rabies were tested on humans in 2013.

    If there was a serious issue with mRNA vaccines, we'd know by now.
     
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