Covid-19: Vax Americana

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  1. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Olympia
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    I hate to break the news to you, but there is a global pandemic going on that is killing large numbers of people, particularly unvaccinated ones.
     
  2. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The problem is they are still trying to figure out how deadly it is, how easily it could evade current vaccines (and how easily there could be breakthrough infections). A knock on would be how easily it spreads amongst the unvaccinated.

    FFS people, get vaccinated and wear a ********ing mask.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...7f5a78-4e99-11ec-a7b8-9ed28bf23929_story.html

    As a side note, I read somewhere that both BionNTech and Moderna have said they can adjust their vaccine/booster in as little as 6 weeks. That is pretty phenomenal.
     
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  3. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    I deleted my post.
    I was not "debating" anything, I was making a joke and did not intend to offend. I apologize.

    I will humbly accept my punishment for the "reported" post.
     
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  4. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    Your shoes aren't the only thing made out of wood! :p
     
  5. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I know, thats why I'm double vaxxed.

    That doesnt mean I'm not going to keep an eye out for any future serious side-effects
     
  6. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Olympia
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    But that's not what you are doing here.

    You are first and foremost insinuating that they are dying because of the vaccine, not because of the pandemic.

    Here are the facts:

    1. We know the virus is killing a lot of people.
    2. We know that the virus is NOT killing vaccinated people at the same rate.
    3. We have no evidence an unusual number of people are dying because of the vaccine itself, even if they don't have the virus.

    In other words, there is absolutely NO reason to make the insinuations you have been making. It is nothing but baseless conspiracy-advocating on your part.
     
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  7. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
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    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This jumped out at me, and how everybody is freaking out. Yes, worry, but not panic.

    But we do have an indication of it's ability to infect and that has shown to lead to, at a minimum, an increase in hospitalizations.

    It came out of Botswana according to the article posted above. Or at least it was detected there prior to it being detected in SA.
     
  8. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You are making insinuations without fact. You are spreading mis-information intentionally.
     
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  9. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I'm not insinuating anything, I'm merely gonna keep an eye on players collapsing to see if its part of a growing trend over the next decade or so
     
  10. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    You are misinterpreting my posts.

    All I've done is post facts, 3 players collapsed this week and I would like to know why
     
  11. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I think it's fine to keep an eye on it and ask questions ... as long as they are smart and not stupid ones. Like, why are so many players having heart problems during matches and even dying is a useless question if you don't have a pre-COVID baseline as we've discussed before.

    A quick google search and I found this info about student athletes in the US:

    Sudden cardiac death (SCD) is the most frequent medical cause of sudden death in athletes, and estimates vary widely based on the population. A recent estimate of SCD incidence ranged from 1 in 40,000 to 1 in 80,000 athletes per year

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4969030/
     
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  12. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Wait, what? Since when? You guys never tell me anything!
     
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  13. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Olympia
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    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    #10212 Sounders78, Nov 26, 2021
    Last edited: Nov 26, 2021
    Bullshit.

    You explicitly questioned if their deaths are "because of the mRNA vaccines", despite no evidence whatsoever that the vaccines have anything to do with it. You did not even know if the players had been vaccinated, yet suggested the vaccines could have something to do with it.

    I repeat what I said earlier:

    1. There is a global pandemic going on which is killing a lot of people.
    2. Vaccinated people are NOT dying at the same rate as unvaccinated people.
    3. There is NO evidence that vaccines are killing people in unusual numbers. NONE WHATSOEVER.

    You might as well speculate they all died because of deliberate poisoning by Putin. You have just as much evidence for that as you do the vaccines played a part.
     
  14. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You have previously said you have questions about the mRNA vaccines, and posted either in the same post or in successive posts football players collapsing. What you are doing is posting with a lack of fact and making insulations that are mis-information.

    And IIRC, you are not in the field of virology or specifically infectious diseases.
     
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  15. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Now that the fires have stopped burning California to a crisp, you can pay attention to other news.
     
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  16. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Neither are you guys, does that mean you cannot post ITT anymore??
     
  17. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Are we not allowed to question anymore?? I never insinuated it was because of the vaccines, I am merely wondering if it was or not
     
  18. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
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    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
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  19. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Seems hard to reconcile these 2 things when you are posting in the COVID thread
     
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  20. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Olympia
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Were the players vaccinated?

    If they were vaccinated, did they receive the same vaccine?

    Had the players previously been infected with Covid?

    If you don't know the answers to all three of these basic questions, then your "questioning and wondering but not insinuating" is highly irresponsible and conspiratorial.

    There is ZERO evidence the vaccines are the cause of their deaths. ZERO.

    In other words, you have ZERO legitimate reasons to "merely wonder" if the vaccines are causing soccer players to die.
     
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  21. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well,you get all Debbie Downer if you hear any bad news.
     
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  22. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I can wonder whatever the hell I want
     
  23. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Jul 16, 2017
    Sure thing, Tucker
     
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  24. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Saying people can't wonder is pretty damn militant.
     
  25. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    #10224 rslfanboy, Nov 26, 2021
    Last edited: Nov 26, 2021
    Are we not allowed to point out how some questions are completely misguided and harmful anymore?
    Do we not get to criticise and question your motives?
    Are you yourself not subject to further scrutiny?

    Your complaint is only a valid if your posts start getting removed not due to the ToS. You're not being silenced at all. In fact, you have been filling up this thread with your insidious nonsense for quite some time now.
     
  26. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    It was "in quotes."
     
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