German Fraulein National Team 2020 & beyond

Exactly.. pointless friendless, where actually paying attention to the football on display, you'll see France wining matches using a style of play that isn't really going to be effective over a USwnt perfectly at home facing athletic based styles of play.

Myself alongside a few others within the Japan thread, actually ended up predicting a strong Japan WC performance on the horizon, after witnessing them producing a series of very impressive tactical footballing performances for an Olympic tournament they finished 4th.

Seeing people force this narrative of wnt's beating the US, because they find a way to get results in friendlies, using football the US can easily compete with, always makes me roll my eyes, knowing the style these teams use simply end up playing right into the USwnt favour.

 

But then you whine whenever I suggest certain young German players NEED to move up the pyramid, having clearly attained form that needs to be developed further within more professional environments.

Brand 19, Cerci 21, Nüsken 20, are all examples of young players at a point in their development where they clearly should be playing for stronger teams, but somehow it's wrong for this to happen, because of some supposed 15yo phenom, in your opinion wasting her time sitting on the bench for Lyon...

 

First... ignoring performances, instead using the results of an Olympic tournament to justify anything is trash. Second... The media aren't the fans, and the US mainstream media loves to cover the WWC with weirdo narratives of the USwnt facing legitimate threats lol.

But those days of legitimate long term tests are now long over, with me personally not seeing a single wnt develop a style of football close to the standards necessary to hold any genuine hope of dominating the USwnt over a number of years.

To me everyone taking the easy approach now, focused DIRECTLY on mirroring the USwnt's high intensity fitness/athleticism, hoping to catch the USwnt slipping in a one off encounter; not recognizing, or not caring, how this simply solidifies the USwnt's position as the unchallenged #1.

 

If that was the only metric that mattered, A huge nation like Brazil should have found more Marta's. A Euro giant like Germany should always be a scary proposition, and a legitimate threat. And a goliath like China would have been women's WC winners decades ago. But we know this isn't how sport works...

So with the culture of European football, and the impressive infrastructure Germany has in place for the game, they honestly don't need to have as many registered female players as the US to create an elite squad of 14 to 22 players.

But I know you know this, having seen many nations push the huge player pool of USwnt program to the limit at youth level, even seeing the German youth teams having very positive records against junior USwnt's too.

If nations like Japan can create young groups of players far more advanced than any junior USwnt, it clear factors of professionalism still allows the senior level to have huge disparities in how this talent progress.

 

Japan`s volleyballers had a disappointing Olympic Games with only a win against Kenya and didn`t qualify for the quarterfinals. I think Batfink talks about the 4th place in 2008 which was followed by the World Cup win in 2011.

 

No, it was not beach volleyball. Here you can find out what you meant:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_at_the_2020_Summer_Olympics

 

Sorry, so you missed Turkey scoring in the first minute?(an own goal)

 

Another two goals by Schüller, 3:0 after 11 minutes. Belgium`s record is in danger.

 

HT 3:0. Chances wasted, clear penalty not given and Turkey improved.

Dallmann, Brand and Leupolz in, Magull,Huth and Nüsken out.

 

Brand with the fourth goal after Rall and Bühl (bar) missed more big chances.

 

Nüsken out was wrong. It was Däbritz.

After Brand had the easy tap-in after a pass from Schüller now a Schüller easy tap-in after a Brand pass.

Ant the next goal the same way: Pass Brand, goal Freigang

Nüsken header after Rauch cross:7:0

Bühl free kick:8:0

 

You just tried to base this on numbers lol, saying "and that formula is; in an world of low paying women’s soccer. the US still keeps 39K(in the very important 18-22 age group) engaged in competitive soccer. So question is how many divisions in Germany(or anywhere else) will it take to match the 1000+ colleges that offer woso soccer?".

Plus you also brought up the idea playing numbers in France holding them back too, when we should all know by now this isn't a major determining factor of any wnt's potential success.

 

@hotjam2 It's not simply money, alongside a large base of registered players that keeps the USwnt at the summit of this sport. It's the complete nonsense better known as TitleIX that does 99% of the heavy lifting on this subject, and I don't know why this continues to be ignored to push other fallacies...

Random fallacies that can allow someone to believe a wnt program like Japan creating incredibly technically/tactically advanced juniors, isn't negatively effected once it's forced to try and bridge the gap of senior level disparities a TitleIX backed USwnt afforded.

The evidence we've seen from everyone taking part in U-17, to U-19, and the senior level, highlight this is spectacular fashion. And this knowing Germany remain the only wnt program who's never missed a junior FIFA tournament, while they have to qualify from the toughest most competitive region in the world...

 

Wow... what a weak excuse to dismiss the quality of various smaller wnt programs being able to develop players of a obvious higher standard than the mighty USwnt lol.

The rest of the world probably doesn't see how allowing youth players to get more time in matches, close to being a genuine handicap lol...

 

Lohmann corrected you on this, and also highlighted exactly why I'm so negative on the current landscape of elite wnt football too; where a decade later, we've seen NOTHING close to a team capable of producing football at a standard the USwnt has a genuine rival/contest with again.

Seeing teams able to not just test the USwnt, but actually dominate them in the general run of play, used to be a reality. But now... I feel like wnt football has been reduced to everyone trying to produce poor imitations of the USwnt's systems of play...

Spain might be the only nation using an advanced style of football capable of frustrating the USwnt. But even then, I'm talking about frustrating the USwnt,

 

The reason could be that Italy is slightly better than Turkey.

 

Reminiscing... I'd actually call it me acknowledging what makes this wnt uniquely competitive, by hey... f*uck the past. There' absolutely nothing to learn from any of that.

And lets not pretend it wasn't obvious from last season Brand was another young talent in the same realm as Buhl, and Oberdorf. Or it wasn't me constantly being vocal about the need for a player like Brand to her to replicate Oberdorf, and move to a strong early to continue her development....

 

I still can't believe the naivety on show that allows these wnt coaches to select Feldkamp, Oberdorf, Lattwein, as CB's. But this was one of the few times I've seen the CB's play long accurate forward passes in a MVT team; and this to the extent it appeared to be part of a legitimate game plan...

So neither Magull, or Däbritz, had great individual performances, but positionally they were very important to a system where both of the AM's always maintained advanced wide roles, to create better passing options Turkey honestly couldn't live with.

We'll need to wait and see if this simply another random anomaly... but watching Germany using long, and short 1 and 2 touch passing, making less backwards passes, with players actually showcasing improved movement to create more triangle based passing options...

It was a 90 mins where MVT didn't use a 4-2-3-1, and still got behind the opposing teams defense with football far more reminiscent of a German wnt people actually want to see.

 

With possession offensively....
----- Bühl -- Schüller -- Huth ------
---- Däbritz ------------- Magull -----
Rauch -------- Nüsken ---------- Rall
------ Feldkamp --- Oberdorf --------

Without possession pressing...
Bühl ---------- Schüller ---------- Huth
Rauch -- Däbritz --- Magull -- Rall
------------------ Nüsken -----------------
----- Feldkamp -------- Oberdorf -----

Looking at the long balls, quick transitions and combination plays, it was like the 2nd half versus Serbia, but much more defined in it's execution...