German Fraulein National Team 2020 & beyond

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by hotjam2, Feb 26, 2020.

  1. desinho

    desinho Member

    Liverpool FC
    Spain
    Aug 7, 2007
    Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #626 desinho, Nov 1, 2021
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    Thought I heard they will play a tournament with France and Sweden +1 during or after one of the matches ... will see if I can find it again.
     
  2. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Austria can’t handle top teams; over the last couple of years they lost to Sweden 6-1, France 3-0 & even Italy’s B team 3-2. Remember those 4 bland players that Frankfurt insists on starting?(sorry, some of their long names are about as forgettable as their talent) their all starters as well on Austro’s NT

    Northern Ireland seems to be tailor made for England, loosing two games this year by scores of 6-0. 4-0. They’ve lost their last two games to Scotland as well(the Scott’s didn’t even qualify)
     
  3. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

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    Oct 11, 2019
    Frankfurt beat Bayern 3-2 and lost to them in rematch 4-2. I said that’s something.
     
  4. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    if you look at this video on the fullback, Gwinn vs Frankfurt, the Austrians(#13,18, 27,28)can be seen guarding the whole left side that Gwinn was coming down, Missing from the vid was Buhl's two goals, despite being closely marked by the #18. I guess Frankfurt can redeem themselves tomorrow by winning against Wolfsburg
     
  5. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    so has the playoffs schedule has already been decided? Then Germany would have to win the group to avoid playing England this early(as it’s seems so obvious UEFA will do anything in it’s power to keep England in there as long as possible)
    usually MVT insists on very robotic passing in the first half within her side’s part of the field, which unfortunately makes it so easy to get dispossessed & for quick counters by the opponent. It really don’t matter who’s CB if she wants rhyme to move up & become occasionally part of the attack(thus leaving part of her back exposed). Versus Spain, harass their backfield with the fastest players at my disposal & keep the pressure on them with quick counters(rather try to keep the ball)
    My starting lineup would be(based in part strong performances this last week)

    Buhl…,……Freigang…. …Wassmuth
    …. .. ..Dabritz……….. Magull
    ……..……….. Leupolz
    Rall……..Kleineheme…Hendrich….Gwinn

    the subs would have equal importance in closing out the game; Brand, Schuller. Dallmann, Huth, Nusskins(who currently I kinda like more than Oberdorf)

    but knowing MVT she’ll go with vets like Marozsan, Hegering Popp & Maier
     
  6. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The playoff schedule has been decided before the draw as usual. Group A vs Group B and Group C vs Group D in quarterfinals. In semifinal winner Group A/runner-up Group B vs winner Group C/runner-up Group D and winner Group B/runner-up Group A vs winner Group D/runner-up Group C.
     
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  7. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    That's not a choice... that's constantly happening because her teams remain disjointed, from always forcing players in to roles their NOT suited to function best.

    See... I feel like constantly dismissing the importance played by the role of CB's, is the same flawed thinking shown by MVT, that's allowed Germany's style of play to deteriorate so much over time. Of course it matters!

    CB's playing a HUGE role in the way elite teams will play football from the back. It's a position that will often see individuals have more touches on the ball than any other player on the field over a season, or a tournament.
     
  8. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    You still believe MVT selects her squads based on players club form...:giggle:
    Forgetting the nonsense that's seeing Nüsken used a LB now, while Simon, and Rall both ignored, so Maier can continue being selected while looking like a sad reflection of her former self.

    I mean after what will soon be 4 years as head coach, we're watching young CM's like Lattwein, Oberdorf, Feldkamp, nonsensically being used a CB's, while everyone watches club matches, and the junior wnt's, pretending Germany doesn't have any other credible defensive options...:confused:

    If Germany's wnt was actually selected using a comprehensive club form only methodology, I'd genuinely believe it a superior system to create a vastly better team than the garbage everyone witnessing right now.
     
  9. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    MVT said in the interview at halftime of Bayern-Wolfsburg that Canada will be the fourth team at the tournament in England.
     
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  10. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    No elite teams within Europe currently, will go to the Euro's and execute the bunker and counter approach of Canada though. So this honestly feels like a pointless addition to this friendly pre Euro's tournament to me....:unsure:

    And if the wnt leadership so happy to play Canada again, why aren't the DFB also setting up matches for this German wnt to face the superior north American version of Canada aka USwnt..?

    I'd rather this German wnt lose 3-0/4-0 to the USwnt, instead of facing the same old opposition they can continue to deflect attention away from poor performances, defeats, and uninspired victories.
     
  11. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Denmark, Spain, Finland, are the other teams in their Euro's group, and they'll be testing themselves against England, Spain, Canada in the friendly tournament.

    Yeah.. we'll see how this goes...:coffee:
     
  12. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
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    considering how MVT been so vulnerable to counter attacks, Canada with it's Jamaican pipeline(aka the fastest runners in the world) would be a perfect team to face & hopefully learn
    Sorry, but even though I like Kleinheme, her solo run vs NED from the CB slot, only to see her final pass intercepted & turned into an quick counter goal,is something should always be on the back of Germany's mind if they don't want to flunk out again
    please bring lots of extra geritol for the US(we're getting up there!). We're on the verge of a new generation, but possibly our best, 19 year old Trinity Rodman, turned down a recent invitation to play for the USWNT(I think her dad want her to play for North Korea instead! lol)
     
  13. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
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  14. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    You continue to blame Kleinherne for a problem that only occurs thanks to a TACTICAL error from MVT's stupid Marozsan - Däbritz CM partnership.

    This error being neither one of Marozsan, or Däbritz, coming to receive the ball from the CB's, while the FB's continue to push too high, completely out of sync with each other.

    Meaning when Kleinherne has the ball, there's no FB to pass to, no CM to pass to, and not wanting to aimlessly clear the ball towards the opposition, she instead decides to try and carry the ball into mid-field herself, attempting to open a better passing option of her own.

    No help from FB's or CM/AM's, Kleinherne tried to make the best of a bad scenario and failed. But all this highlighted to me, was the more obvious issues with MVT's tactics.
     
  15. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Learning what exactly... that Canada has quick players....:rolleyes:

    Every team seeking to retain possession in the opposition half, or apply a high press, will find itself vulnerable to counters attacks. So even though MVT couldn't understand any of that against Serbia, she's now supposedly going to learn this against Canada, just prior to a Euro's finals... because, reasons lol.

    How would you know it's possibly your best new generation, when there's literally been ZERO youth competition for over two years, while your senior team continues facing opponents utilising inferior versions of the USwnt own tactics...:unsure:

    Seriously... forgetting the youth for a moment, just show me ONE wnt with a credible system/threat to stop the USwnt from reaching another WC final..?
     
  16. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    We got an saying over here; to be the best, you got to play the best…..so they could learn a thing or two taking on the world’s best counter attacking…
    no tactics or system is going to permanently knock off the US. Instead two other things will be required

    1) lots of mullah needs to be invested in woso

    2) woso needs to become an an wildly successful ‘participation’ sport

    considering the Scandinavian countries have #2 patted down(but might lack #1 & small population centers) the one that I think might reach that goal sooner is…..England!(but do NOT know how popular they are at my #2 as big game crowds don’t necessarily mean big participation numbers) but at least their NT willing to spend money(with their purchase of Wiegman) & several of their clubs as well( as compared to just 1-2 clubs in the rest of Europe)
     
  17. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    So the change seems to be Rall instead of Dongus & Maier and still two field players need to be reduced for the Euros as well as the possible return of Popp, Hegering & Doursoon and practically no possibility of any newbies(dunno how their going to all fit in?)
     
  18. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Hegering is in the squad.
     
  19. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    ....:ROFLMAO:.... worlds best counter attack... :laugh:

    Germany's player base still dwarfs England's though, so your going to be waiting a long time before you see their participation numbers come anywhere near the amounts necessary to produce the kinds of talents your hoping to see from them.

    Plus why haven't you mentioned more on the field factors deciding the improvement of rival wnt's..? As decades past US facing opponents who'd push them to the limit, or straight up dominate them, I can't even identify ONE nation right now capable of legitimately besting with the USwnt in a dominant fashion.

    So again... before proclaiming the USwnt the best within a landscape of modern giants. Please name ONE team who will genuinely challenge/scare the USwnt at the next WC...?

    These dummies are all taking the easy way out, trying to use the simplistic methods of the USwnt to fast track improved competitiveness; but do so also providing the US a easy path to remain the prominent force within FIFA competition.
     
  20. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    LOL... do you really think MVT knows what she's doing..:ROFLMAO: She's not used any of these games to create a balanced squad.

    Plus if the wnt players were being selected on positional form, someone like Dongus would be in ahead of underwhelming options like Feldkamp.

    But with the persistent nonsense of seeing Lattwein, Oberdorf, Feldkamp, Nüsken, all selected as defenders, shouldn't this tell you how ridiculously bad this wnt selection process really is...:coffee: Your really not dealing with competent coaching here.
     
  21. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
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    Well at least MVT appreciates Rall’s efforts this last month as compared with the Bayern’s coach, but Hegering being picked despite missing the entire BM season so far?


    Spain’s been frequently mentioned as the most likely successor. They meet some of the criteria, money pumped into Barca as well into the NT especially since they’ve had such a strong youth program. And as well that all three(Barca, senior & youth NT) play consistently the similar ticci taka passing formula
    But what might be holding them back; do they have a high participation rate?(my other criteria). And as France ala Lyon has all ready shown, success doesn’t necessarily come from having one super club that hordes the best players from the rest of the league. I mean; France has now flopped in their last 5 major tournaments & Spain has flopped, period!
    So in my book, Spain still needs to prove itself(maybe win next year’s Euros or finally make it least to the semis) before being proclaimed the future of woso
     
  22. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    #647 Batfink, Nov 18, 2021
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    Yeah, like Rall will play...:rolleyes: Plus beyond Hegering, MVT never had an actual plan for selecting genuine CB's.

    That's the only reason Hegering randomly back in the wnt player pool, and for me, all it does is continue to highlight the ineptitude of the wnt program to effectively condition the various talent within it's system to step into the senior team when needed.

    Seriously... no credible wnt with the junior wnt success rate of Germany's, goes to senior tournaments with 1 healthy recognized CB...:confused:
     
  23. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    :ROFLMAO: Is this the latest propaganda US sports media pushing now to make future USwnt success sound far more grandiose than it really should...?

    Like you even mention, they did the same thing with France not long ago, using Lyon's success, and some other related nonsense, to make a supposedly suspect USwnt appear underdogs, even though anybody with a honest opinion could tell France's style of play would never be a true threat to a USwnt within a FIFA tournament.

    Meaning no strong antithetical approach to USwnt exists with Europe's scramble for power making it a non factor, with Asia's potential to do anything fading with Japan, while South America continues limping along on the memory of old ass Marta... you can barely identify one team able to contest the USwnt lol. That's where we are now.
     
  24. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    the thing is that Germany hasn’t had a win over the US since 2003. I guess sending CB’s upfield in support is made-too-order for the US quick attacking style(but then where have we’ve seen this before? Oh yeah; Kleineheme’s run vs NED/and how did that fare?). so France three wins vs the US in less than seven years is pretty impressive, but albeit all in friendlies. So you would think France strong showing in friendlies is partly due to chemistry from starting mostly Lyon players vs NT’s that barely get an day’s practice. Obviously things change around since NT’s got several weeks together too perfect their chemistry before an major summer tournament.
    I’ve all ready complained enough times that having one dominant team within an league is not good for the NT. In Lyon’s case, they’ve even horde up all of France’s youth talent(as compared to Bundi which allows their youth to nurture & strive on weaker teams before WOB & BM buys them up in their prime) so hence, their 15 year old prodigy from their award winning u19 Euros named Becko, just sits on the bench these days at Lyon.
    France suffers from an low participation rate(only 200k females of all ages play in organized soccer. The French seem to hate their current NT coach(but then the French seem to hate everything, lol). But it’s still hard to predict how they’ll do next year; pro prospects with still top, veteran players/friends in high places(UEFA, which gave them a rather easy ride through group & playoffs)
    don’t quite understand why you think in woso Americans think their underdogs? There were a thousand posts with “Fire Vlatko” after we only won, gulp, the bronze(most other countries would of been happy with that). Unlike AM broso, most woso fans over here dont care about the rest of the world because we’re so used to winning. There was even whining after we destroyed top #20 South Korea, 6-0 in our last game
    the amazing thing is that the US developed a highly successful formula….and yet luckily for us….nobody wants to copy it!

    and that formula is; in an world of low paying women’s soccer. the US still keeps 39K(in the very important 18-22 age group) engaged in competitive soccer. So question is how many divisions in Germany(or anywhere else) will it take to match the 1000+ colleges that offer woso soccer?
     
  25. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    That's never been the reason for Germany's record against the USwnt... and the last time these two wnt's faced each other within a serious competition, a very underwhelming Germany were only a PK away from beating a USwnt side on route to wining another WC...:coffee:

    So I recognize Germany's had various strong losing/drawing performances against the USwnt in meaningless friendlies, producing performances that looked every bit FIFA ranked #1 or #2 wnt's facing each other. But the history of these two wnt's in actual serious competition, isn't, and has never been about the recent tactical trash witnessed with the current German side we see now.
     
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