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  1. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dames resigns from Chicago:



    Chicago fans don't even get a chance to take a breath after the final.

    And so, let the NWSL off-season chaos begin.
     
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  2. McSkillz

    McSkillz Member+

    ANGEL CITY FC, UCLA BRUINS
    United States
    Nov 22, 2014
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    WOW
     
  3. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    Probably wants to move on after 11 years. Also reaching the finals only to lose it again. Guess it was too much.
     
  4. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Yes, although he would have deserved to win at least one trophy with Chicago, in all these years. :unsure: Not necessarily this season's one, but he would have deserved a title.
     
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  5. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    EQZ full article here:
    https://equalizersoccer.com/2021/11/22/rory-dames-out-head-coach-chicago-red-stars-nwsl/
    Biggest thing in here for me is that Dames' exit was already known within the organization well before the final, so it's not the loss that catalyzed this - which is why I kinda believe that this is a natural desire of his to step down and not something that was "nudged" from the FO. Must really just be fatigue after over a decade as head coach of the Red Stars, and even longer as a WoSo head coach in general.

    Still, this feels like a "WAIT WTF???" moment to me... I've said before that he's one of the best in the league.

    Also, this leaves Clarkson as the *only* head coach OUT OF TEN who started this season that will also start in the same position next season. NWSL coaching buzzsaw was livid this year!
     
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  6. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    .....holy shit, ever wilder reality along this line of thought:


    I kinda wish Dames waited until after the mid-December drafts to step down. Gonna be hard for the Red Stars to navigate those without a head coach! Though assistant coach Julianne Sitch has been with the team for ages and could probably do a good interim job.
     
  7. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The WTF part that's getting play on social media is the way it's been announced...press release at midnight and no quote from Whisler. But, I think the rumors around that are just because we're all a bit traumatized from the coaching drama of this past season. I saw someone talking about getting t-shirts made saying, "I survived the 2021 NWSL season," and I think I'd buy one of those.
     
  8. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  9. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And now we know why:



    Another NWSL coach has been accused of player abuse and an organization accused of ignoring years of complaints about the coach by the players.
     
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  10. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    ....ugh, I guess shouldn't be surprised considering the year we've had. I've gotten just so tired of hearing the sh!t the players have been through, and I can't imagine how tired the players are of having to work under bad conditions.
     
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  11. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lauren Green
    @Lauren_Green08

    13m
    USSF knew about Rory Dames in 2014, NWSL/Portland knew about Paul Riley in 2015, the Flash knew about Paul Riley in 2016, USSF knew about Dames again in 2018, Washington knew about Richie Burke before his hiring in late 2018. People knew.
     
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  12. MRAD12

    MRAD12 Member+

    Jun 10, 2004
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    #2612 MRAD12, Nov 22, 2021
    Last edited: Nov 22, 2021
    Just read this. I am appalled. I knew Rory was a yeller and a screamer. You can hear him all over the field. But I never knew how far it all went.

    I was touting him for COY this year for getting the Red Stars to the Finals again.
    I am embarrassed and very sad. As a long time Season Ticket Holder, as a fan of this team.

    I feel so bad for the players who had to go though with this. Players I supported with my money and my lungs.

    I am now worried for my team and it's players. What are the repercussions?
    What happens to Arnim, the owner who I always felt was in it for the right reasons? What happens to the franchise? What happens to the players past and present?

    You guys who have been my friends here on BS know how invested in the Chicago Red Stars since 2008 when Peter Wilt first mention about forming this team and giving it the name "Red Stars", I have been. Season Ticket Holder every year.
    Emotionally drained after each game, after each season.

    Just a sad, sad day.
     
  13. Roger Allaway

    Roger Allaway Member+

    Apr 22, 2009
    Warminster, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe I'm being naive, but I wouldn't be worried. I think the league, the teams and the players are all going to come out of this year of upheavals stronger than they were before.
     
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  14. McSkillz

    McSkillz Member+

    ANGEL CITY FC, UCLA BRUINS
    United States
    Nov 22, 2014
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yep, knew it. I knew something smelled...
     
  15. stubifier

    stubifier Member

    Real Salt Lake
    United States
    Jan 19, 2018
    Some aspects of the WaPo story sound almost mundane for competitive, high-level soccer. Coaches yell a lot. Maybe they shouldn't, but this has been going on for a long time. Other parts of the story, however, point to inexcusable behavior on Dames' part. This snippet, in particular, makes me more angry than I can express in words:

    "But there is one story that Dames’s players return to when asked about the kind of coach he was to them. It was a day at training when he zeroed in on one player, as he often did. This time, he felt she had not been communicating clearly. When she failed to talk enough, he turned to the player, who was the mother of a young child, and screamed, according to multiple players who witnessed the incident. If you can’t even talk on the field, he said, what kind of mother are you?

    The player, stunned, started to cry. (The player could not be reached for comment.) It was not the fact that Dames yelled, players said, but how he did it: in a way that was personal and public and, by extension, for players, painful and humiliating."

    That absolutely crosses a line, and he should been dismissed the same day.
     
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  16. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It would seem that a player’s best course of action when reporting abuse by coaches is to go directly to the press rather than reporting it to the club, league, or federation FOs… Going to the press seems to be the only way to get action…
     
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  17. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I think the "coaches can be tough" aspect is a bit simplistic... There's a difference between being generally critical and yelling out of frustration and being hypercritical, derogatory/personal, and persistent. You can be blunt without being harmful; "tough love" still requires love and respect. A good coach, even if they're tough, should be respected instead of feared.

    Beyond that, I think the notion of "you're a professional, expect some abuse" is... not something we should find acceptable in general? Abuse is never okay, whether it's from coaches, from fans, from the media... wherever. Doesn't matter if it's the way things have been, because it's still abuse.
     
  18. stubifier

    stubifier Member

    Real Salt Lake
    United States
    Jan 19, 2018
    I agree with this. I guess I was just trying to say that even within this old-school mentality of “coaches are supposed to be tough,” the abuse he was leveling was clearly unacceptable. But you’re right, the old mentality of normalized abuse is itself disdainful and wrong. It doesn’t matter that it was once the norm.
     
  19. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    D@mn it. I was hoping for the best, but that is not the year that we've had.

    Agreed. General yelling is one thing. Abuse is another. A good line could be what referees determine to use whether or not to give a yellow or red card for something a player is yelling (dissent vs abuse): Is it personal, provocative, public? If yes, it's abuse and a red card, not just a yellow. It seems coaches need to be held to the same standard, especially on training days when there are less eyes.
     
  20. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Rather, the player should report abuse up the chain of command and allow a reasonable time, under the circumstances, for action. If the chain of command does not take appropriate action, the player should go public. The one problem I have with Morgan in the Portland situation and Press in Chicago is that they knew but waited years, until the press got hold of it, to go public. I believe it is the responsibility to every single one of us to see that this kind of stuff stops and I cannot wash my hands of it by saying it was reported up to the next level.

    I wonder if Julie Ertz’s absence from the scene relates to any of this.
     
  21. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Apparently Arnim Whisler, who's normally very active on Twitter, locked his account a week or two ago. Most certainly knew what was coming.
     
  22. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    ....and file this under "vastly disappointing but entirely unsurprising":
     
  23. MRAD12

    MRAD12 Member+

    Jun 10, 2004
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I think he locked it about two months ago when the Paul Riley stuff started coming out. It hasn't been open for a while now.
     
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  24. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Old school reporters, as opposed to so-called "gotcha journalists", give both sides of an exposé or investigative report an opportunity to give their side of the story. I have no idea when the Post reporter reached out to the Red Stars and Dames for their take on these allegations, but it wouldn't have been Friday night, it would've been long enough ago for them to respond.

    So, yeah, they knew this story was bubbling up.

    And even if it wasn't the post but some "gotcha" journalist, after the events of this season, they had to know this was eventually coming. The league is still young enough that someone knows where all the dead bodies (fig.) are buried. I would not be surprised if we slowly hear more horror stories about some coaches that have come and gone over the last ten years whose behavior was over the line, but they got out and went away. We obviously still cleaning up what's been in place.
     
  25. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Sorry, I am not on Twitter and I don't follow US soccer enough to understand who this player is from just this Tweet and her "Kai" handle.
     
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