Covid-19: Vax Americana

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  1. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

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  2. BocaFan

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    Yeah, you didn't get the joke.


    Moving on then.....
     
  3. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    So, as you know Christian Eriksen collapsed at Euro 2020 (2021) of a heart attack. He had the vaccine. By your logic, the vaccine caused his heart attack. That is an affront to logic to even say there is a jump in logic.
     
  4. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    I was expecting one of 3 or 4 posters to make this kind of comment. This kind of comment is what allows rape culture to continue.
     
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  5. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
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    Was I one?
     
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  6. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

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    Hopefully not too many fat soluble vitamins. Excess water soluble vitamins are pissed away but fat soluble vitamins are retained in the vital organs and a build up can cause diseases such as cancer
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK218749/
     
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  7. superdave

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    How old are you, exactly? Lots of awful joke archetypes have fallen out of fashion. Drunk driving jokes used to be ok. Domestic violence jokes used to be ok. Misogynistic jokes and racist jokes and religious jokes used to be ok.

    Hell, making fun of Christians is STILL ok in this forum.
    Bullseye. Not to mention, NM wasn't saying rape is ok. He was saying it's wrong, just like being an unvaxxed nursed is wrong.
    I didn't mean to imply you had, I was making an analogy. I was saying what you wrote was more the equivalent of saying "The blacks...." than saying the N word.
    He drew an analogy between a real action which harms others and a hypothetical action which harms others. The way he did it makes light of rape, and that's why I repped a post that responded to him and the other guy. But, again, he wasn't saying rape is ok.

    You are so triggered by what he wrote you didn't really read what he wrote. I'm not saying the post was ok, I'm saying what are you trying to accomplish in your response? To appear holier than/more woke than thou?

    I'm the guy who reports prison rape jokes, but I don't blast the people who make them. At one time they were completely acceptable in this forum. I (and probably others) started commenting "rape jokes aren't funny," and those kinds of posts, through education, slowed to a trickle. And in those cases, posters were in favor of prison rape.
     
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  8. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    You are just throwing numbers out there with no point.

    That is not how scientific studies work.

    You cannot "draw the conclusion that vaccines might be responsible" without some evidence that states there is even a correlation between the two events.

    First, "30 pro athletes" (then 60, then 100, then 150) are pretty small numbers to prove anything. Just in soccer, there tens of thousands of pro (and semi-pro) teams, each with 20+ players. We are talking about hundreds of thousands of professional soccer players. Then add basketball, hockey, baseball, rugby, american football, individual sports (tennis, boxing, cycling, MMA, golf-sure, they are not athletes, but come on) and you are talking about likely a million or more people who are "pro athletes."

    Second, "collapse" is an incredibly vague term. I would imagine that things like heat exhaustion, dehydration and over exertion are likely going to be "causes" of a pro athlete collapsing.

    "Developed heart problems" is an equally vague term. I would imagine that more than 30 "pro athletes" are diagnosed with heart problems (whatever that means) every year already. Once again, there are a myriad of heart problems and an equally large number of causes and symptoms.

    To begin any sort of analysis, you would have start by ruling out most causes before even looking at the vaccine.

    And, even then, correlation is not causation, without evidence that event 1 had some influence in the increase of event 2.

    I am beginning to think that "Brilliant Dutch" may not be "brilliant."
     
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  9. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
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    Not even semi-gloss, we're down to Flat or Eggshell
     
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  10. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    That's because different regions have invented plural words, like youse guys and y'all. If it's important to you, I've posted (it might even have been a thread?) saying we need to invent a word for that, and also a word for when you don't know someone's gender. You see it all the time when people are writing about a hypothetical individual...the norm when I was growing up, it was taught, that the right thing to do was default to male pronouns. That's obviously a horrible idea, but defaulting to female isn't better. Someone responded to me that the kidz today sometimes use xhe or something. I'm totally down with that.

    Like, I was reading an article about Demi Lovato and got confused when the writer put "they" in there and I'm like wait a minute, who else are we talking about?

    English will evolve, and I look forward to it. Dinosaur me will never be down with "they" referring to one person.

    So, on your to-do list, we need a non-gender specific word for hypothetical or unknown people, and we need a word for gender fluid folk who don't identify as he or she.
     
  11. superdave

    superdave Member+

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  12. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Well, it wasn't funny, but I definitely understood the point of your joke [if that helps at all].

    Carry on!
     
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  13. xtomx

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    #9288 xtomx, Nov 1, 2021
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    Yes, and please response No. 1 (the second post in that thread).

    The "problem" is not the use of the word, but (see post 9 in the thread you linked):

    For the record, I have a number of transgender, intergender and other friends. I will admit that it has taken a bit of time to get used to using "they" in the singular.
    However, if they (both singular and collectively) wish to use "they" as the singular pronoun, it is fine with me.

    I will mention two, both of whom were interns and attorney fellows of mine at a previous organization.

    One colleague who has used "they" for as long as I have known them. This individual has been a champion for inclusion, especially in the legal community and, even more specifically, in the elder community.
    I have been working with my friend as my friend has continue to transition in some extraordinary ways.

    Another (who is one of my very best friends) just came to realization this year (I would say "self actualization") that "she" just did not fit how my friend saw "herself" anymore.

    I have to say that observing their journeys has been fascinating and I fully support the actions being taken by both of them and I am eternally grateful to both of them for allowing me to be a tiny part of their transformation into finding their true, authentic selves.

    In an ironic twist, just last month "they" (person 2 above) proposed to "they" (person 1) and now "they" are getting married.
    I could not be happier for "them" (individually and collectively) and if they allow me to, I would happily become ordained to perform the marriage for them.

    Really, as @Sounders78 stated, the "they" issue is no different than the "you" issue, in that both words are (now) being used both the singular and plural.
     
  14. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

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    There's some ridiculous logic in that poll. Why would you use hospitalizations since March 1, 2020 when we know the Delta variant is far more virulent?

    The Lancet published a study using data from March to May 2021.

    Of the two variant groups, about 2% each were hospitalized within 14 days; 5.7% of patients with the Delta variant sought emergency care or were hospitalized within 14 days compared with 4.2% of patients with the Alpha variant.
     
  15. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    And that's how empires fall. Adapt by creating a new word, I say.
     
  16. The Jitty Slitter

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    Well other posters are allowed to cite Tucker Carlson's neo-nazi conspiracies - that's kind of the level the forum has sunk to these days
     
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  17. xtomx

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    #9292 xtomx, Nov 1, 2021
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    If "they" bring(s) down an empire, I say "bring it down, baby, that is one weak ass empire." ;)

    We "survived" the use of "you" in the singular and plural; we should "survive" the expansion of "they."

    Hey, maybe that IS what caused the British empire to "fall" or, (more correctly), "You" caused the British Empire to fall.
    Bad, bad @superdave!, destroying hundreds of years of British dominance. :D

    Quick, rewrite every history book ever!
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    Okay, back to how the COVID-19 booster will cause "pro athletes" to collapse and develop heart problems.
    You know, the "real" problem. :eek::eek::eek:
     
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  18. BocaFan

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    But if you use a shorter time period, the correct answer would be even lower. Anyway, if the answers to the poll question are wrong by this much, does it even matter what time frame is referenced? I mean, we are still talking about a real answer in the 0.5 to 1.0% range and a good chunk of Democrats answer "over 50%". lolol.

    Its almost like Democrats want the virus to be more deadly than it really is because that would punish the non-mask wearers, anti-vaxxers and anti-lockdown people more. That and total faith in fear-mongering mainstream media.
     
  19. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    What month was this poll taken?
     
  20. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

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    #9295 Paul Berry, Nov 1, 2021
    Last edited: Nov 1, 2021
    August 2021.

    So we should use the periods when Covid victims weren't even being taken to hospital but dying in nursing homes, when there was no Delta variant and there were no vaccines, even though the survey refers specifically to vaccinations? That's ridiculous.

    The question was confusing in two ways. First of all the % of Covid patients hospitalized is much higher today than it was when we only had the alpha variant, secondly, a widely reported number is that 86% of hospitalized Covid patients are unvaccinated. That number comes from the CDC and has been consistent since June. Thirdly, it's not split out by age group. Older Covid sufferers who are unvaccinated are far more likely to end up in hospital than children.

    Here are some stats from the CDC website. I mean how do you make sense of this?

    Screenshot_20211101-152912_Chrome.jpg
     
  21. celito

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  22. stanger

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    They should have scorn heaped upon them as well.
     
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  23. Sounders78

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    Here are a few simple options for you:

    1. Use "they". If thou needst to distinguish between singular and plural, add "all" to the end of it, just as people do with "you" to distinguish between singular and plural second person pronouns ("you" and "you all"; "they" and "they all").

    2. Go the Polynesian route and do away altogether with gendered pronouns. They have one pronoun for the 3rd person singular, whether the meaning is "he", "she" or "it". Doing away with gendered pronouns is something I personally would support. If we use "it" for the 3rd person singular for everyone, then so be it.

    3. Decide it is more important to respect other people than to impose your prejudice onto them. Don't get me wrong, just because you are apparently opposed to anything and everything involving trans-people, doesn't mean you are incapable of showing respect to them if you actually wanted to.
     
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  24. Brilliant Dutch

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    Amsterdam, Holland
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    Wait, did you click on all the links to verify, or are you a knee-jerk reactionist??
     
  25. Brilliant Dutch

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    Amsterdam, Holland
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    I didnt say that all, all I'm saying is lets wait and see if this becomes a pattern in pro sports
     

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