Covid-19: Vax Americana

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  1. Brilliant Dutch

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    #9226 Brilliant Dutch, Nov 1, 2021
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    Its the fact that the pharmaceutical industry is known for telling lies that should bother you.

    And I'm not clammy btw
     
  2. The Jitty Slitter

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    So after figuring out how to freelance a biotech for my JJ (basically go to a pop up centre, claim to be unvaxxed, say I forgot my vaxx card, then ask for the 2x pfizer programme) - turns out I don't need to

    I am getting a biontech booster on my JJ from my doctor - this is a new german exception for team JJ - the booster programme is not generally available here yet, but they want to boost the single shot people.

    Presumably then i can get the booster programme whenever it deploys - but JJ+Biontech appears to be a good result

    I wonder if this means JJ will be phased out here
     
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  3. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    Why would I wish to indulge your Daddario and Lawrence heresy? Only those of us who follow the one, true Jolie faith can be allowed to express their beliefs.

    In short...

    [​IMG]
     
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  4. Naughtius Maximus

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    Yeah, I thought it might be someone else. I was just designating him as the generic 'clam'... i.e. someone who performs the same societal function.
     
  5. Brilliant Dutch

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    #9230 Brilliant Dutch, Nov 1, 2021
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    Just FYI I'm not anti-vaxx. I've gotten both my Pfizer shots.

    But the fact immunity wanes after 6 months or so, and we might have to take bi-annual booster shots for the rest of our lives has me a little bit worried. We dont know the long-term effects of these new mRNA vaccines yet, and I dont trust the pharmaceutical industry to always tell the truth when it comes to informing the public about its side effects
     
  6. diablodelsol

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    Jan 10, 2001
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    There were plenty of ways you two could have gone with the sincerely held religious belief jokes…..I’m not sure celebrity rape was the best route.
     
  7. The Jitty Slitter

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    We don't need to trust them - e.g. billions of pfizer doses are being administered all over the world and are the subject of massive studies. The drug companies have no control over this.
     
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  8. Brilliant Dutch

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    But that still doesnt change the fact that we dont know the long-term effects of these vaccines yet
     
  9. BocaFan

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    Is that true in general, or only if you took the JnJ single shot vaccine and followed that up by a Pfizer or Moderna booster?
     
  10. The Jitty Slitter

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    I agree with that.
     
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  11. The Jitty Slitter

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    I don't know about the Pfizer / Moderna mix, but I wouldn't want AZ boost
     
  12. JamesA

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    What's the alternative?
     
  13. Brilliant Dutch

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    There isnt one. Thats the problem.

    FWIW I take a bucketload of vitamins every day, have done so since I was about 28 yrs old, and I havent gotten a flu since. So there's one possible form of protection, but I have no idea if that'll work against Covid or not
     
  14. Naughtius Maximus

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    This is an interesting piece from Dr. John Campbell. It concerns the likelihood of severe illness after vaccinations and how the data proves the effectiveness of the vaccines.



    Basically, if you're not as old as Methuselah and suffering from significant comorbidities the chances of you dying from covid are virtually non-existent if you're fully jabbed.

    He's done some stuff which I'm sure people will find troubling such as discussions about Ivermectin. The only point I'd make about that is, from a scientific point of view, there has been some investigation of the efficacy of certain treatments including Ivermectin which indicates that the people doing those investigations presumably thought it was worth looking into.

    The problem, of course, is that just asking the question in the current climate, seems to supercharge some of the more irrational debate and can actually cause more problems than it solves. On that basis alone I think he should keep a bit of a lid on it.

    Anyway, he's got some interesting information on his channel outside of that and his general thesis is that the vaccines are incredibly effective, incredibly safe and must be the starting point of our treatment of covid. I don't think he'll get much argument about that on here :)
     
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  15. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    If you have a healthy diet you don't need a bucketload of vitamins
     
  16. Naughtius Maximus

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    So you think there's a chance Angelina Jolie might look at my morbidly obese body and think, 'THAT'S the guy for me'? Well you may have a point :) I have many other fine features although, having said that, none of them come to mind off the top of my head.

    But, purely as a statement of fact, nowhere did I mention rape. She may decide to indulge me simply as a matter of furthering the interests of the human race in possibly creating an offspring that combines her beauty, intelligence, vast acting and activist abilities and me with... er... what I've got.

    Or maybe, (and I'm just spitballing here), maybe she might think it's y'know... just a fecking joke.

    Dude, seriously, get a grip!
     
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  17. Dr. Wankler

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    See, this is where I think you're missing the point. The vaccine is not the big picture. Now, 5G: THAT'S the thing we don't have any idea about.
     
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  18. The Jitty Slitter

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    I am looking forward to my SYS upgrades
     
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  19. Dr. Wankler

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    Well, that's fine, but if you are suddenly no longer able to bear children, don't come crying to me.
     
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  20. soccernutter

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    This is talking about two different things:
    a) The flu (presumably)
    b) a coronavirus

    They both target your body in different ways, hence the recommendation for both the Covid vaccine and the flu shot. But asking of vitamins work against Covid is a non-starter. We know they don't. Coronaviruses have been studied for a couple of decades for vaccine purposes, and probably longer than that for treatment. Vitamins don't prevent coronavirus infections/sickness.
     
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  21. The Jitty Slitter

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    Luckily i already got that part out of the way :laugh:
     
  22. diablodelsol

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    You could have gone with “that I should get a pass if Angelina Jolie decides she wants to bang me….but my wife disagrees.” Any multitude of directions. But you didn’t. Instead you went with “but for those silly laws banning me from forcing Angelina Jolie to have sex with me any time I want.”
    Take the L on this one.
     
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  23. soccernutter

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    To second @diablodelsol you are talking about stalking a female celebrity. No where did you say she wanted you. Quite the contrary, your joke was about staking which often is either sexual or violent or both. In your initial comment, you were not giving her the option.

    And to say this is a joke is akin to Trump's "grab 'em by the pussy" being locker room banter.
     
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  24. The Jitty Slitter

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    Something totally old school happened to us last week

    The kids actually got the flu.

    Sore throats, coughing, fever. But tested 3 times each -ve for Covid. According to the doctor, the flu season is now underway. But I haven't had anything like it since winter 2019. I felt on the edge of infection but shook it off.

    So looks like flu which was basically AWOL in '20 is back
     
  25. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    I thought there had been several studies that found mixing vaccines produced the same or better results?

    Mix-and-match COVID vaccines: the case is growing, but questions remain
    A slew of studies suggests that mixing vaccines provokes potent immune responses, but scientists still want answers on real-world efficacy and rare side effects.

    Mixing COVID-19 vaccines is emerging as a good way to get people the protection they need when faced with safety concerns and unpredictable supplies. Most vaccines against SARS-CoV-2 must be given in two doses, but multiple studies now back up the idea that mixing the Oxford–AstraZeneca jab and the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine triggers an immune response similar to — or even stronger than — two doses of either vaccine.

    Results announced on Monday 1 by a UK group suggest that the combination sometimes outperforms two shots of the same vaccine, and a similar picture is emerging from German studies2,3.
    Of course, that's the initial shots but I think I've read that a booster of a different vaccine also gives the same or better response, presumably for the same reason.
     
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