German Fraulein National Team 2020 & beyond

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by hotjam2, Feb 26, 2020.

  1. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
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    --other--
    Ok, I concede that I was wrong in saying that it was an U-19: it was some sort of an U-23 team. But for sure i wasn't an A-team. Italy had won the 1st match of the group in Israel by 2-3 only in August 2019: the team that they have subsequently beaten by 12-0 in February 2021 had 11 different players on the pitch out of 11, many of them quite unexperienced at Senior level, and no international.

    Israel team that played Germany yesterday was a mix of the two teams: there were some old veterans, including some of the ones that had played Italy in 2019, and 4 of the players that had lost to Italy by 12-0 earlier this year. Of course, as @Batfink pointed out, they had meanwhile gathered some more months of experience: it was wise by the coach having them debut vs Italy in a match that was basically meaningless to Israel. :coffee:

    Wait, would you care to elaborate? Are you suggesting that Germany intentionally kept the score vs Israel at just 0-1? Maybe for some kind of "political" reason? :geek: Where does this come from? Any reliable source? Sounds made up by you on the spot.
     
  2. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #577 hotjam2, Oct 22, 2021
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    A decade ago, Silvie Neid’s squad beat Kazakhstan by an score of 17-0 and got severely criticized for it by fans & media alike. So for image control, post Neid teams takes it down a notch or two vs very low ranked NT’s. In this case; only watched the first half more like an typical scrimmage, the German players have yet to even make an simple or diving tackle. Easily Israel’s best player so far is Sharon Beck, who’s actually born & raised in Germany and played 2nd division ball all last season.

    So how can an all-star team not win bigger vs 2nd div players at best? and how could Dabritz miss an pk vs an out of shape GK! and vs a team that lost to #93 Malta 0-2?

    as for Italy vs German players; look how easily Bayern beat Roma(4-0) or HOF beat Milan(2-0) and that’s an Italian league where all the Italian best players are in(as compared to Germany that got an half dozen NT’s playing in other leagues)
     
  3. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    You even admitted this later... but neither point here provides any kind of genuine excuse for Germany's performance though.

    Blissett mentioning what Israel did versus Italy, directly speaking on the unique scenario he felt Italy were facing. While Germany (a wnt you'd think significantly stronger) showed up to face Israel, and couldn't even create enough chances for me not view their performance anything but a victory for their opponent...:speechless:.
     
  4. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Really...o_O I think you need to actually see some of this match then lol. That way, you wouldn't need to rationalize such ludicrous theories for Germany's inability to create chances, or score goals Vs. their uniquely hospitable hosts lol.

    But hey... maybe MVT can use Israel's new innovation in tactics, and bribe her Euro opponents with the same type of moral kindness, to keep opponents from trying too hard to beat her teams..:giggle:
     
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  5. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
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    #580 blissett, Oct 23, 2021
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    Normally, if a team doesn't want to bash an opponent too much hard, they stop at 5-0 or something. But in @hotjam2's parallel universe they stop at 1-0, they say: "Hey, enough is enough!" and they call it a day. :rolleyes:
     
  6. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I predict Germany's going to fail again lol. Knowing MVT's had 4 YEARS to build on the team Hrubesch helped stabilize, yet still find everyone watching her ignoring consistent defensive, and mid-field imbalances, she's helped establish.

    LOL... BIG difference with these scenario's chief... Germany ISN'T a club team..:coffee:

    Meaning if Bayern, Wolfsburg, Hoffenheim, have to change their team selection, or adjust their tactics, it's probably due to factors that make far more sense within the week to week context of elite club football.

    So even if you don't assess Germany's talent pool very highly, MVT has zero excuse for things like not selecting a genuine LB for her squad, or ignoring CB options, while forcing AM's like Däbritz - Marozsan to play DM/CM roles, for a national team filled with FB's, and superior DM/CM options.
     
  7. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    ...:ROFLMAO:o_O:ROFLMAO:o_O
    Go watch early round DFB Cup matches... You'll see 2nd division SV Elversberg face a FULL STRENGH Bayern, and were happy losing 0-6.

    I guarantee it would have been considered a disastrous, for Bayern to play as poorly as the WNT did against an even weaker Israel side, and come away trying to rationalize a scrappy 0-1 victory.

    Bayern did the professional thing though, and won the match... comfortably.
     
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  8. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Which is why Blissett aware Germany's wnt underachieving so epically, mentioned how Italy's wnt is in a much healthier condition; showcased in them being able to punch above their weight class on a regular basis, regardless of a much smaller talent pool to select from.

    Germany's senior team wasting it's resources, no longer playing to their actual level, instead performing significant levels below their true potential. Nations like Italy, Portugal, Denmark, even Netherland's, aren't looking for excuses, and continue to perform to standards way above their actually talent pool.
     
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  9. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
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    It's comforting to know that at least someone here is able to actually read and understand what I write. :thumbsup:
     
  10. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I`m not sure anybody of Batfink, hotjam2 and you carefully read the posts of each other.
    Where has Batfink said this?
    Why should they care after 2016 about a game from 2011 and I don`t have the impression that the fans were unhappy.

    Why did they beat Montenegro 10:0 and Ukraine twice 8:0 In Euro 2022 qualifiers?
    Where is hotjam2 using laughable excuses here? He said that the Israeli team that lost 0:12 was not a youth team.
    That doesn`t make any sense. What has hotjam2 admitted? Where has he used the age of the Israeli players as excuse? What has the unique scenario of Italy to do with Germany`s performance?
     
  11. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
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    You're right, Actually I think that me, Batifink and hotjam2 definitely don't carefully read each other's posts! :laugh:

    In fact I probably confused one of @Batfink's posts with yours here :p:

     
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  12. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    sorry Lohmann, I don’t know how else to describing the sensitivity around the German/Israel game. Just yesterday MVT & her staff visited the Holocaust museum in Jerusalem

    as you pointed out Germany beat Montenegro 10-0 first time out, but I remember the 2nd match, where MVT had her squad pass the ball purposely around for what seemed like minutes at an time….and thus the 3-0 low score

    on the lighter side, I’ve reading on Facebook on German opinions of the game & wider implications that usually come from none soccer fans….and probably the funniest one was;

    Merkel, Hoenicker’s revenge!

    is this true? lol
     
  13. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
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    #588 hotjam2, Oct 23, 2021
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    here was some of the German staff & players visting the Holocaust museum
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    Gwinn at wailing wall
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  14. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    This can happen if players save energy for their club games some days later.
    Behaviour on and outside the field is surely important when a German team plays in Israel but I doubt that it would have been a problem for German-Israeli relationships if Germany had won 5:0 or 6:0.
    If this was the funniest one I don`t want to read the things that are even less funnier!:cautious:
     
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  15. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Damn right lol... from people speaking different languages, to poor spelling, and various cultural intricacies related to this sport, I'm often shocked anyone able to debate subjects with civility/credible accuracy lol.
     
  16. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Let me explain... the laughable excuse here, is coming from me feeling there not being a debate regarding players age, or perceived quality of Israel's changed team, a factor enough to rationalize/allow them a 0-1 defeat to Germany; especially a 0-1 defeat, which saw Germany perform so awfully.

    Instead of addressing the horrible coaching we're constantly witnessing within this program, I logged in here to randomly see hotjam's discussion on how Israel's team changes, and diplomatic relations, created the perfect storm for another awful German wnt performance...:confused:

    Does this better explain my "laughable excuse" remark now...?
     
  17. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    The quote I selected didn't highlight it, but it comes from hotjam2 saying this...
    My response was meant to address this point. That even if hotjam2 wanted to debate other factors surrounding this result, he also acknowledged how low a level this Israel side truly are.

    This to me sounding like an admission behind the true nature of this result; where no excuses truly exist outside of MVT's inability to create a team, able to perform at a standard many would consider respectable for a wnt with their resources, and actual depth of talent.
     
  18. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I thought the unique scenario of Italy's 12 goal victory Vs Israel, was Israel supposedly using a younger side, comprised from a squad using a lot more of their domestic based players... no?

    The narrative being Germany never facing the same scenario as Italy here, where Israel were previously willing to test many new options during an actual competitive match, while facing a top 15 FIFA ranked opponent.

    This for me the unique scenario Blissett and hotjam2 were discussing, where I felt no matter Israel's changes, the idea this alone enough to completely immobilize Germany's offense to a single goal differential, a complete nonsense given the quality of options available to MVT.
     
  19. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    @Lohmann... some things might have been lost in translation, or just part of lazy comprehension skills, when it came to everyone here debating Israel players ages, or their different squad selections. But I feel my points still stand.

    The idea it OK to form excuses for Israel only losing to Germany 0-1, where a player pool like Germany's come together, and only produces 3-5 shots on goal, Vs a majority of what we would recognize as 2nd division players, is laughable in it's ridiculousness.

    Honestly... I think this being the wnt's worst performance since Germany's Olympic win. Jones era 0-0 with Hungary, or losing to Iceland at home pretty horrible. But having seen those games, I feel this last match was a much worse overall performance than any of those...:cautious:
     
  20. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    so are you saying German players on their own accord, purposely didn’t play their best vs Montenegro or was it ordered by MVT?
    Either way. It’s an excuse NOT to play your best, which is the point I’m trying to make!(though different circumstances)
     
  21. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I figured you were leading on Blissett cuz his excuse for the low score was we were playing Israel’s A team(instead of the alleged u19 or B squad that lost 12-0 to Italy). But Blissett even admits he barely ever watches Germany, so he don’t know really knows the talent it’s got.

    I can understand the point your trying make, but sane reasoning went out the door when Stefi Jones got picked! lol.
    I agree, there so many more men coaches to pick on(than just to pick an woman), but Horst H didn’t want the job & we can see plenty of other cases where top men woso coaches are quitting to move over to broso.

    So where do we go from here? If there’s no excuses for how badly Germany played last game…..MVT not going to get fired unless she looses another major tournament or some dirt is found.
     
  22. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    It is possible that MVT experimented with tactics or players just did enough to control the game but I don`t remember the game good enough to give any judgement here. If you only lead 1:0 this is no plausible excuse even if Israel never looked dangerous.
     
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  23. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Germany had won in Hungary 1:0 thanks to an own goal.
     
  24. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    Currently watching replay of the German-Israel game to see what went wrong.
     
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  25. Thomsen

    Thomsen Member+

    Aug 6, 2016
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    FC Bayern München
    Having watched the game myself now, I’ll take Marozsan over the other midfielders any days as she’s at least able to do something with the ball… :unsure:

    you know, she was the player who created the most during euro 2017, as the highlights prove where she was involved in everything Germany did… and as we all know, Germany was pretty terrible that tournament :rolleyes:
     
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