Official 2021 Samurai Blue thread

Discussion in 'Japan' started by Whispered11, Feb 2, 2021.

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  1. Kajisan

    Kajisan Member

    Jun 1, 2013
    whelp, that sucked
     
  2. Dax

    Dax Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 29, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Congrats to the saudis, a deserved win.
    Don't see Japan going further than a 3rd place in this group and having to fight through playoffs, unless things are shaken up.
     
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  3. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Im actually starting to think they wont make this. Easy first group in the last round but excellent performance. Now it is all dark. Tragic really. Even the play off spot is in danger.

    Im tired of Moriyasu.
     
  4. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Interesting how fast they turned out be a better team than Japan.
     
  5. HTCONEM8

    HTCONEM8 Member+

    AC Milan
    May 16, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    #230 HTCONEM8, Oct 7, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2021
    Perhaps because they had a BETTER coach?! It also shows that having so many players playing in Europe doesn't mean jack shit. Saudi has none and they're on their way to qualifying.
     
  6. HTCONEM8

    HTCONEM8 Member+

    AC Milan
    May 16, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    At this rate, Japan MUST win all of its remaining matches to even have a chance in qualifying. They brought it on themselves, really.
     
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  7. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Of course they have. But its not all about him.
     
  8. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    It will not happen.
     
  9. Whispered11

    Whispered11 Member+

    U.C. Sampdoria
    Japan
    Oct 4, 2011
    Munich, Germany
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    I think it's now or never on Tuesday.

    Saudi Arabia looks like the strongest team of the batch. They're more or less the same group of 2018, they have a better coach, good motivation.

    I don't think Australia are as strong as these games have told us, but they're winning.

    If there's not a W on Tuesday, it's better to axe Moriyasu and face the remaining eight games without him.
     
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  10. HTCONEM8

    HTCONEM8 Member+

    AC Milan
    May 16, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I think their biggest motivation is that the WC 2022 is going to be held in Qatar, their neighboring country which more or less is like playing at home.
     
  11. Majster2

    Majster2 Member+

    Apr 23, 2010
    Poland
    Club:
    Urawa RD
    I was always against Moriyasu because I've never seen him as a good coach or anything. His team playing a peculiar type J League 'senyou' football never did anything in Asia. The same story with another team that dominated J League in recent years, although I think that Kawasaki had (as it's the dawn for them, they won't win the league next year) more individual quality. Unfortunately Moriyasu proved me right...
     
  12. Kakeru

    Kakeru Member+

    Manchester United
    Japan
    Feb 22, 2016
    Montréal, QC, Canada
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Same, and I will go even further: I'm even tired of hiring Japanese head coaches for this job as well. If Moriyasu is supposedly the best that the JFA have, then we're ****ed for a while if they try others down the pipe. Success in club management rarely translates into the same for national team management, and that is a mistake that too many countries often make. Nah, I say we go with another foreigner who won't be swayed by internal politics and yet doesn't have a history of toxic behavior (Halilhodžić) before.
     
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  13. HTCONEM8

    HTCONEM8 Member+

    AC Milan
    May 16, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I liked him as a JNT coach but sadly he wasn't favored by the press nor some of the senior players IIRC.
     
  14. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Its hard, because replacing the coach in this time of the qualifiers aint always positive but I dont want to see him anymore.
    His stubborn idiotic behaviour is preventing the NT to use the best attacker. And he stick to the same old players. I mean Osako has been good but come on. And although Shibasaki has been good in La liga 2 this season he cant do shit anymore in for the NT.
     
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  15. Kanarienvogel

    Kanarienvogel Member

    Nov 15, 2019
    Pretty even teams actually IMO. The difference was Shibasaki's back pass today. But not all of Shibasaki was bad, but certainly not his best game either, even without the back pass.

    The problems remain the same though, Japan in the end doesn't create much. Moriyasu and his speed fetish. Rather have a fast guy with no skill than one that is slower but can actually play football. Asano, please.
    Better to axe Moriyasu now then wait for after Tuesday. Starting ASANO? Seriously?
    What he did right today is the changes, early enough, Asano and Minamino out, Furuhashi and Haraguchi in, IMO they should have started, even if with Furuhashi on the wing it's a bit of the same problem as with Minamino, you really want him more in the middle probably. Then didn't really understand why Owainu in... I would have taken out Osako for Itakura, put Yoshida up front for the usual Japanese desperate long ball to him, that actually works surprisingly well usually.

    But looks like a fight for third place and 2 playoffs now... Yes, beat Australia, win the other games too, all fine, but the team just doesn't look like it has it.

    And no, Moriyasu's reign shouldn't have an effect on who the next one is. I think getting a guy with recent J League experience is much better than somebody with basically 0 knowledge when he starts.
     
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  16. mushu21_2

    mushu21_2 Member

    Manchester United
    Vietnam
    Sep 1, 2018
    The results until now are carbon copies from 2018. Which means Japan has to win against Australia. After that, a must win against Oman at their home.
    Sorry but at this rate I even feel the match against Japan is the chance for our national team's first point.
     
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  17. SamuraiBlue2002

    SamuraiBlue2002 Member+

    Dec 20, 2008
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
  18. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Word !!
     
  19. HTCONEM8

    HTCONEM8 Member+

    AC Milan
    May 16, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    After cooling down a bit, I agree that the match was even and it should've been a draw at least if it wasn't for that utterly stupid backpass by Shibasaki, but still, I'm doubtful of Japan's chances with Moriyasu still at helm.
     
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  20. Kakeru

    Kakeru Member+

    Manchester United
    Japan
    Feb 22, 2016
    Montréal, QC, Canada
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    #245 Kakeru, Oct 7, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2021
    Well, I remember when England fired Kevin Keegan albeit the official version says that he stepped down. It was fairly early in the qualifying campaign for 2002. We can say anything we want about Sven-Goran Eriksson in retrospect, but getting rid of Keegan was the right thing to do for them.

    I don't know what kind BS Moriyasu is selling to the higher-ups, but one (except the manager) cannot be blind at all about the disasterous effects of persisting with the same old players who have no business playing right now. Not playing an in-form Kyogo is already a crime by all standards, but to play with second division players will only lead to where Japan is right now.
     
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  21. HTCONEM8

    HTCONEM8 Member+

    AC Milan
    May 16, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    #246 HTCONEM8, Oct 7, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2021
    Meanwhile in Group A, Korea and Iran seem to have wrapped up their group, deservedly so, with almost no resistance from the other 4 teams.
     
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  22. SamuraiBlue2002

    SamuraiBlue2002 Member+

    Dec 20, 2008
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Refusal to have any transitional plan from the previous generation is the biggest problem right now.

    After 2018, Shibasaki, Nagatomo, Kawashima should have been told to pack it up and retire. Now because of their influence Moriyasu cannot drop them because of their seniority. If Kagawa and Honda wanted to keep playing for the NT, they probably would still be called up despite being garbage.

    Good teams know when to cut their losses and make changes, but it will never happen for Japan unless the players themselves retire. The coach is too chicken to drop senior members and introduce new ones.
     
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  23. Majster2

    Majster2 Member+

    Apr 23, 2010
    Poland
    Club:
    Urawa RD
    I would rather ask a question since when Japan stopped having higher ball possession than their opponents in Asia? Japanese team lost all of it's peculiar style of ball possession after 2018 - Moriyasu maybe thought that if Nishino went with a little bit more conservative and defensive approach during WC then he will do the same against Asian opposition in the final round and it will somehow work.

    Well, he took Japanese NT back to '93.
     
  24. HTCONEM8

    HTCONEM8 Member+

    AC Milan
    May 16, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Japan so far has the weakest offense in this round of WCQ with only a single goal from 3 matches. Things really need to be shaken up.
     
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  25. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    He rely on Osako.

    There must be slight panic in the group now.
     
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