NISA (New NASL-allied D3 league) Mega-Thread

Discussion in 'NASL' started by oneeyedfool, Jun 6, 2017.

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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
  2. Doogh

    Doogh Member+

    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Resorting to a bad meme effort, nice.

    Tickets "scanned" and tickets "sold" are all anagrams for tickets distributed. They aren't mutually exclusive.

    If Phoenix Rising announced a sell out and you see a few empty seats, that doesn't mean they came up with an arbitrary attendance number.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    You make a really good point but it sounds familiar.
    Oh, it’s because I already said exactly that. Huh.
     
  4. Doogh

    Doogh Member+

    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1604 Doogh, Oct 1, 2021
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    What was the entirely point of your meme though? You conflated tickets sold with tickets scanned as if they were mutually exclusive.
     
  5. canammj

    canammj Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    CHINO, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Late to the party, but I was in Chattanooga in June and actually went to a game against Greenville. Warm and pleasant evening. Crowd looked about the same, maybe a little more than that video posted a few threads back on press box side. We moved around and sat in a couple different sections to view different angles.
    I was speaking to a "team person". They were still finishing the boxes and press section and the parking lots mostly unpaved. I was surprised to see only 2 sides of stadium having seats, although the grass berm I guess counts. The unfinished side is on the freeway side- while good for visuals or advertising to passing cars, makes for kind of noisy environment.
    So this owner must have some money as he has a women's team, a team down the road in Dalton, GA (USL-2) and another in Park City, Utah (USL-2?) I was told.
    So I would imagine tickets sales on the other 3 teams are less than his primary team and if that team is not setting the world on fire, he must really love soccer and have lots of money.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    He does have lots of money. He’s a real estate developer from Utah. No connection to Chattanooga at all, so it’s not really clear why he chose to buy a franchise here, but he has definitely spent a ton of money on it.

    They just opened the boxes two weeks ago or so.
     
  7. canammj

    canammj Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    CHINO, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    That took a while to finish the main grandstand !
    Actually not much make sense about this franchise.
    CFC, while in a different league had a head start in Chattanooga.
    I guess Dalton makes sense for your PDL team as only 30 minutes down the road. Park City? Even less sense, unless that where he lives (?)
    I could have thought of a whole bunch more places to go with a USL-1 team.
    I think the Red Wolves will have a much better soccer stadium once it is all truly built out than CFC's home, except for the dam plastic field.
    Maybe what Chattanooga needs is have the 2 teams merge and be
    Chattanooga United ! :rolleyes:
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    No, thank you!
     
  9. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Chattanooga Thistle?
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    Three words for you: “Notts Forest Wanderers”
     
  11. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  12. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    I thought the whole Detroit City thing was really cool until I learned about the “F MLS” aspect of the club’s supporters. So ended any interest on my part.
     
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  13. canammj

    canammj Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    CHINO, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    Have they said publicly or privately "F-USL"?
    If USL doesn't have the same single-entity set up as MLS, and the league lets the team operate locally the way they do, would this work?
    Would seem to be a fit in USL-2 or maybe USL-1. USL-C might be too much of a step financially.
     
  14. Doogh

    Doogh Member+

    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1615 Doogh, Oct 6, 2021
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    Owner who has a conflict of interest with his wife owning another NISA team, wants those same conflict of interests to be bestowed on their players if they get traded or waived.
     
  15. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    A bold move by NAFCNYCFC.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    I wonder what their other Twitter account thinks about it.
     
  17. Doogh

    Doogh Member+

    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1618 Doogh, Oct 6, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 6, 2021
    Updated NISA Fall Season Attendance as of 10/6/2021:

    50 matches played

    Detroit City: 6,076/4,664/3,894/3,969/3,689/3,817

    Chattanooga FC: 2,916/2,008/2,158/1,946/1,960

    Michigan Stars: 1,628/1,857/0*/0*/0*

    Chicago House: 1,183/1,013/863

    California United: 653/525/0*/685/1,738/345/415

    New Amsterdam: 278/333/404/319/422

    Maryland Bobcats: 305/362/292/312

    1904 FC: 237/182/393/342/245

    Stumptown: 167/189/164/245/399

    Los Angeles Force: 0/0/175/0/0*
     
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  18. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think that was a reaction to the talk of an MLS franchise coming to Detroit. There's a good Copa90 feature on them on YouTube. You have to admire what they've accomplished though.

    Not to flog the bloodstain on the ground that was a dead horse on attendance numbers, I came across this:
    Why ‘sold-out’ matches still have empty seats - News - AFC Wimbledon
     
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  19. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1620 Paul Berry, Oct 7, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2021
    Nice

    In short: 70% season ticket attendance, 90% single match ticket attendance and "debenture" holders seats not used and not resold.

    Ignoring the latter, an official attendance of 5,000, with 1,500 season ticket holders, becomes a 4,200 "sell out".

    An Atlanta United "sell out" of 42,500, with 35,000 STH could be as low as 31,250.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    This is really fascinating and it's really great to see this sort of transparency about the process from the head of a club.

    That said, this is describing something a different than the bunfight we were having: the teams we were talking about were not anywhere remotely close to selling out; there's a distinction between "if it's sold out, how come there are empty seats" and "why are there half as many people there as you're saying"?
     
  21. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Per a Red Bulls fan, unused free tickets can also be counted as "tickets distributed", though I doubt there are many of those being given to school kids in times of Covid.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    I would assume that free tickets are included in that number, yeah, which is exactly the problem. If the Friday before game day has only seen 20% of your seats sold, the team loses nothing by giving away another 50% or whatever.
     
  23. aleaguer

    aleaguer Member

    Feb 17, 2000
    Wichita, KS USA
    except what they do "lose" in that instance is the integrity of ticket pricing.

    you'll never be able to sell enough tickets going forward if it becomes obvious you are giving away scads of tickets. you destroy the incentive by basically setting the value of the only thing you have to sell at 0.

    sure, it will *look* better, if you are into appearances. but the facade cannot cover up what happens to the underlying health of the entity trying to sell tickets.

    no business can survive giving away a good percent of what they are trying to sell. now, anyone who has only sold 20% of their tickets in the leadup to a game has issues that probably preclude their success anyway, but just giving a bunch of people a good time on your dime doesn't make any sense, either.

    in that case, you are either in the wrong business or have the wrong leadership or you have seriously misjudged your market. if your owner is a rich person who is steadfast and committed to weathering losses, fine. but those people realize - perhaps better than most, and certainly better than some here - that you simply cannot operate and grow a business that way long term.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    I'm absolutely not disputing any of that, although there is an argument to be made that if these comps show up you can at least get them to spend on parking and concessions, which otherwise would have not happened at all. But, yes, it's still either a short sighted strategy or wallpapering over serious cracks.
    At the same time, there's not a whole lot of other explanations between the enormous delta between reported and actual attendance for the team we're talking about.
     

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