The coming boom in multi-eligible player recruitment

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by Dave Marino-Nachison, Jul 27, 2020.

  1. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
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  2. jeff_adams

    jeff_adams Member+

    Dec 16, 1999
    Monterey, Ca
  3. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
  4. ussoccer97531

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    Oct 12, 2012
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  5. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    that is such obvious bs lol what is there to 'wait' for?
     
  6. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

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    Likely paperwork.
     
  7. jeff_adams

    jeff_adams Member+

    Dec 16, 1999
    Monterey, Ca
    I know a few people that went through it and the paperwork can be a bitch. Many hispanics have 4 names (mother's maiden name and father's). If there is any discrepancy in the birth certificate then the parents (or player) will have to go through a lawyer to have name changes done to exactly match the IDs. It can take a ton of time if there is even a minor mistake.
     
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  8. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True, but that work happens *before* it goes to FIFA (unless FIFA kicks it back). FIFA decisions are pretty quick these days -- two weeks at the most.
     
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  9. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    It seems like applications of this sort, to say nothing of the resolutions, should, or at least arguably should, be made transparent by FIFA.
     
  10. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    also if it’s a paperwork formality then the player can just announce the decision and let the paperwork delay work itself out
     
  11. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it’s more of a question of the paperwork being finalized in time for him to be on the roster for this window.
     
  12. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    sure, but he could be out there right now saying his intention is to play for mexico and the paperwork will be cleared up eventually. the paperwork is a formality if hes truly decided on where hes playing.
     
  13. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah I mean presumably he wants to do some kind of announcement like Ochoa did and wants to have everything in order before he does. He does share the same agent apparently. We’ll see once Mexico’s roster is named though, which should come soon.
     
  14. Luksarus

    Luksarus Member

    United States
    Jul 27, 2018

    US Soccer, don't sleep on this, please.
     
  15. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    Why not do the reverse. Why announce something that isn't final nor approved.
    Just announce it when it is. To each his own.
     
  16. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    #316 Dave Marino-Nachison, Sep 30, 2021
    Last edited: Sep 30, 2021
    I can see both sides of this -- in a way, it's like a job application, I suppose -- but applications for change of association at the senior level seem like something about which fans might reasonably expect transparency. Unless perhaps one or both federations aren't notified by FIFA or whoever until a decision is official?

    How various parties might might to handle announcements after a decision is made feels like a different matter.
     
  17. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The losing fed has to provide a copy of the player's playing record, so it's never a surprise to them.
     
  18. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    i still dont understand how a decision isnt a decision. if its made then he can announce it and el tri can announce it and the paperwork delay doesnt matter much and its all done with and in the past and he can look forward. it does dovetail nicely with a theory that he isnt guaranteed a callup by el tri and is not ready to be used more for gloating than playing purposees
     
  19. ussoccer97531

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    Oct 12, 2012
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    I’ve seen a lot of people today on different places of the American soccer internet claiming there’s a rumor Gomez is going to play for Mexico. Nothing is imminent as far as I’ve heard with Gomez making a decision. I think one guy who has 5,000 Twitter followed said so and a lot of people are running with it.

    I don’t think this is a situation we can be sure about. There’s a chance he plays for Mexico, but most of what I’ve heard recently is positive. I think it’s more likely he plays for us than Mexico. Not all situations will be like that. Araujo is one that I’ve heard almost the exact opposite, nothing but pessimism of late. I think that one may be over, as Roger Gonzalez stated.
     
  20. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who knows with Gomez but he’s also not close to a call up for either national team for WCQ so there’s no rush for him to make a decision either way. He’s also never played in an official match for either so he has no need to even file a switch.

    Everything seems to be pointing in the wrong direction with Araujo but I do find it odd he’s not on the Mexico roster just for training purposes. Ochoa and Gomez both were asked to train with Mexico as a recruitment thing, but Araujo turned that opportunity down when first asked. All signs are pointing in the wrong direction for the US, but I’m surprised I guess he wouldn’t want to train with them first and see what it’s like compared to the US setup.
     
  21. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    It seems like everyone's stuck for a bit now that WCQ is under way. If you're Mexico, it seems like it would be a terrible look, and probably also just a silly idea, to bring in a guy currently committed to a direct competitor for your WCQ preparations. And if you're the U.S., same goes in the other direction. If there was a low-stakes international window, maybe it's another story. It feels all or nothing at this point.
     
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  22. Eldinter

    Eldinter Member

    Jul 28, 2009
    Fort Wayne, IN
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My frustration with the dual national game is when the federation screws it up and we lose a player that we could have had. With Araujo, I'm over this back and forth. He was given a chance at U20, U23 qualifying, called into GC, and called into last window. If after all that, he isn't ready to commit then there isn't anything else the federation can do. At a certain point, a player has to show commitment and it would rub the team the wrong way if he somehow comes in 6-12 months later and takes a WC spot when we've qualified from a guy that helped battle through WCQ. The Harkes affair was the big one in 1998, but naturaluzing David Regis a month before the World Cup and benching WCQ starter Agoos rubbed the locker room the wrong way perhaps more than Regis' quality improved it on the field.
     
  23. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Obviously I'm not in the man's head, but it seems likely that this is one of the things on Berhalter's mind; the clock is ticking. I would guess there's some kind of sliding scale -- perhaps taking into account, for example, stuff like whether a player is already part of the program (like Araujo) or not (like, I dunno, Balogun maybe). I suppose it's possible that his perception of the player pool's need at a given time is part of the equation. I doubt he'll tell us, but I wish he would!
     
  24. ussoccer97531

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  25. twoolley

    twoolley Member+

    Jan 3, 2008
    Both listed as AMO talent as agent on transfermkt
     
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