German Fraulein National Team 2020 & beyond

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by hotjam2, Feb 26, 2020.

  1. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    #451 Batfink, Sep 18, 2021
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    LOL... dismissing some of the wnt's best ever junior players now coming into their prime years...:rolleyes:, as vets simply holding back/getting in the way of an emerging new "golden generation"... :confused:

    I also really like some of the younger options available to MVT, but what have they done to compare them as better options than Magull, Däbritz, Marozsan, Popp, Hendrich, etc... as surely this the exact time mature players should see a wnt being built around them, no?

    It's not the current mature players faults, none of these coaches have understood the need to rebuild post 2015 WC failure, and 2016 Olympic success.
     
  2. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    ...:laugh: This is a very flawed narrative I'd expect people who haven't followed the German domestic league for very long to use; Silvia Neid was notorious for constantly diminishing the value of the league lol.

    And yes, during her final two tournaments, we did see a 3rd placed Bundesliga Frankfurt win the WUCL in 2015. But using this to fuel the idea Neid used a stronger league to her advantage in this period, is pretty bad hindsight.

    See.. not to dig into this too much, but I'll say this... Frankfurt won a WUCL title during a period of time facing a club like Bristol City during a Quarter-finals stage made sense lol. Yeah, how are we measuring strength again...:whistling:
     
  3. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    What...o_O Bayern are the leagues best team, using the best squad, as they beat a mid-table Freiburg in a highly convincing fashion. So why is it a problem for Bayern to build themselves a really strong women's side, when it's seen them do this showcasing the kind of intelligent domestic, and foreign recruitment policy, many wanted other German clubs to use...?

    They've really not done anything wrong, and only continue to improve as time goes on too. But you constantly attack them now, acting like their a detriment to a wnt program, where league demands of promotion, relegation, domestic cup, and European rivals, will provide a natural order to the tests these clubs face each week.
     
  4. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    #454 Batfink, Sep 18, 2021
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    Neid laid the foundations of most of what you see now. The wnt needed a rebuild after 2015, but Neid wanted to win an Olympic gold, and what you see now is still very much in her 2016 image.

    And you should stop blaming the league for the wnt's inability to act professionally too. The DFB had a decade of major youth level wnt success, and failed to progress their brightest defenders, mid's, and forwards, into a senior team lacking any true identity.

    Besides not being able to provide even more professionalism throughout the national league structure, what do the clubs have to do with any of the wnt's long term coaching failures...?
     
  5. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  6. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I wouldn’t able to watch the in real time, but surprises; Nuskin starts at left FB/Lohmann starts at left wing

    of course, no surprise; Oberdorf a CB along with Kleineheme
    (or at least on soccerway)
     
  7. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  8. Thomsen

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    Aug 6, 2016
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    FC Bayern München
    So how many people were there in the arena to watch the game? 500? :confused:
     
  9. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    1200
     
  10. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
  11. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Well... if that was MVT trying to win new admires, and change old narratives, I feel like she failed lol. I'm going to get back to the latest bone head decision of using ANOTHER CM in the defense (Nusken), but can anyone explain the sudden need for a new batch of the failed tactical experiments witnessed in the 1st half..?

    Using Däbritz as a DM behind Marozsan - Magull, or having the wingers playing really narrow to be closer to Schuller; these were just more of the weird decisions being made by a coach, who's talked about wanting to show the educated football audiences of Germany, she's actually a really professional/elite coach lol.

    What discussions was MVT having with the mnt's coaches, that allowed her to think now the perfect time to introduce this latest bizarre tactical adjustment, against one of the worst wnt's in Europe..?
     
  12. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    In my opinion, I felt the 1st 45 minutes was like watching an individually superior Germany, needlessly congesting central areas of the field, thanks to MVT using 7 CM/AM's in roles that didn't make sense for the occasion.

    It made the opening 30 mins a lot easier than it should have been for Bulgaria, and continued the game to game trend of things only continuing to leave more and more questions, and now increasingly less answers.

    I'd at least like to know how Magull being the teams best mid-fielder, forces MVT to believe it somehow requires Magull share her creative role with an always lethargic Marozsan...:confused:. But who will ask any questions like this..?
     
  13. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    A novice coach could have predicted Germany likely facing a 90 minutes of bunkering Vs a really weak Bulgaria, but MVT told her wide players (Lohmann and Huth) to play closer to Schuller, expecting Hendrich, and Nüsken, to maintain attacking width; it just allowed the left side for Germany's attack to become a black hole of creativity until Brand's second half appearance.

    And guess what... even when Brand enters the match and creates a positive dynamic on the left, MVT inexplicably moves a dominant Brand to the right side, in the process completely shutting down the teams best point of attack.

    I don't understand any of this anymore lol. All these weird decisions that do nothing to help establish a coherent style of play...:confused:
     
  14. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    Not selecting ANY LB's in the squad, even though aged 28, and in the prime point of her career, Simon appears miles ahead of the other domestic FB's in the league. What was Nüsken seriously supposed to offer, that could ever see her come close to matching the product produced by a legitimate LB option lik Simon..?

    Anytime a player looks good, or the team finds a new path to success, it's as if MVT rushes to remove the unplanned positive factors, because they didn't match her initial plans/targets for the game..:cautious:

    Oberdorf stinking as a CB, or Krumbiegel struggling to do anything correct. Being bad, but bad within MVT's desired plan, allows you to get more time. But a Nüsken, or Brand, comes into the team and shine within roles MVT didn't plan for, it seems she can't wait to redefine their future contribution on her own terms.
     
  15. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    From watching a replay; got to agree with pretty much everything Batfink had to say. A few exceptions though; Nuskin did do a decent job, it’s not her fault that she got stuck on the same side as Lohmann & Marozsan(two of the worst players of this game). Not sure if getting clogged up on the left was an game plan to have more space available on the right side(seemed like that), which was so easily dominated by Hendrich(POG in my book). So(Batfink) how do you feel the FB’s had an bad game??(Hendrich might of broken the record for most cross kicks ever made by an FB! lol).
    Agreed, Oberdorf had a poor game, especially making passes up front, but I guess stuck in MVT’s cog of keeping the ball grounded to short passes. Her sub, Feldkamp, looked better, but by then(even at the start of the 2nd half) Bulgaria looked demoralized & hopelessly unconditioned) to really offer much resistance, but you still got the feeling Germany will be killed on the counters(vs stronger teams) if insisting in sending both CB’s on the attack(both Feldkamp & Kleineheme) without getting any help from the weak defending DM(Dabritz).
    There’s no need to have so many players on the attack & of course so many passes to build up play, but Wassmuth(6th goal) proved how easy a goal can come if you just get the ball quickly upfield. I think that what was Brand’s problem too; despite her speed & great crosses, her teammates(particular Schuller & the disastrous Marozsan) were just to slow to catch up with her. Brand needs to take charge more herself & try to bag goals.
    Even though Schuller bagged two goals, so much of the service directed at her that you really feel that she should of score more. So here, Germany needs a little more variety then just the continued, determined attack of crossing to just one target(Schuller). I mean the goals came much easier when both Magull & her replacement, Dallmann, started taking shots. if only those two could of played together. I’m sure the goal tally would of been in double figures by the end of the game.
    So obviously MVT trying to install some kind of weaving/passing pattern rather similar to Stefi Jones & Silvio Neid, based on a lot of chemistry & discipline between the players, cuz one bad pass will lead to an easy counter(especially when both CB’s are way to far up front). But then MVT wants to give almost everybody a chance, so continues to switch lineups & positions(as her rosters filled with too many mids). Compare this to the Dutch NT who play the exact same six mid/fwds in the exact same position game after game after game(no matter how weak their opponents are) & we can easily see what team has the better chemistry.
    Will MVT keep the same lineup for the slightly tougher Serbs?

    One question(perhaps for Lohmann) there was supposed be 10 thousand tickets available, yet only 1200 showed up. The commentator mentioned they competed with men’s soccer.

    so now here in the US, whenever our men’s squad compete against an Latin NT, there’s usually more fans in the stands cheering for the Latin side than ours!, and that includes the smallest of countries like El Salvador or Costa Rica. And it’s not like our country is bad, we’re currently ranked #10.
    So consider how sharply German men’s tanked-fallen all the way down to #16–why in earth wouldn’t want the typical soccer fan NOT support their women’s side???(at least it’s still at a very respectable #3)
     
  16. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    In general Germany didn`t play well in the first half but I think the problem was more Nüsken than Lohmann. Lohmann had some bad passes but also good scenes e.g. her assist for the third goal.
    I`m sure we will see some new players against Serbia like Leupolz or Freigang.

    Because of corona only 5000 fans are allowed for both games. Germany played against Bulgaria on Saturday at 16.05 despite Saturday 15.30 we had 4 men`s Bundesliga games starting. MVT said that they would prefer to play in the evening.

    Germany`s men are up to #14 and with the new coach the optimism of the fans is back. If someone supports the men`s team it doesn`t automatically means he/she cares about the women`s team. This problem is obvious in club football where Bayern has less spectators than Turbine Potsdam.
     
  17. Klingo3034

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    Oct 11, 2019
    That’s sad about Bayern women’s team after all that.
     
  18. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Yes, fine assist by Lohmann. But it did come against #79 ranked Bulgaria. In comparison, Norway beat #75 Albania 10-0/France beat #65 Greece 10-0 as well.
    Her sub, Brand looked phenomenally faster in comparison. I’m surprised MVT gave Lohmann a starting nod in an unfamiliar position, especially when BM been carefully nurturing her back from injury with more limited play.
    Yeah, looking forward to seeing Leupolz & Freigang, especially the latter since I feel Schuller was in an position to score more goals.
    Serbia is ranked #41. Sweden only beat #45 1-0, so hopefully Germany can up their game & score more
     
  19. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Norway has beaten #128 Armenia.
     
  20. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Not blaming Nüsken for anything... She's a really good CM with a high potential to improve even further once she matures, being forced to struggle as a FB Vs. one of the worst opponents she could/will probably ever face in European competition lol.

    How embarrassing must it be for her, to not only play significantly below her actual level, but do it on national TV against one of the worst opponents the wnt will face in years...:speechless:

    And this in a game a poor Lohmann, was still was able to create a goal from a really nice execution of individual skill, all because it was in a role closer to her actually skill set. Nüsken couldn't even cross the half way point without suffering nose bleeds from anxiety lol.
     
  21. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    How many goals did Germany score from all those crosses down the right...? You do realize a major difference exists between chances created, and shots on target.

    Germany saw 32 shots, with only 11 of those on target...o_O In MVT's latest showcase of stupid tactical adjustments, Hendrich was basically allowed to be an attacker for 90 mins; but at what price for the rest of the attack...:whistling:
     
  22. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    This may be the single biggest tactical fallacy of MVT's game plan. Never using a DM in her teams, but still expecting her defenders to play a very high line, it always creates OCEANS of dangerous spaces for opponents to launch counters.

    But even when Germany have their players back in their own half, you will see the confusion of using Däbritz - Marozsan together as CM's creates, as neither player truly understands the defensive demands of DM/CM role.

    You'll see them losing track of opposing CM's who'll make runs behind them, they allow wide open goal scoring situations to occur that should/would be identified much sooner by less offensively minded CM options.
     
  23. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Did you not watch the opponents this match lol. Their entire plan was to stick all 11 players behind the ball. HOW are you supposed to implement a low possession game plan against that defensive approach, and still find opportunities to launch long balls forward...:confused:

    I mean Brand can beat multiple players, but I keep trying to tell you she's NOT Marta lol, and still only 18, in only her second season as a senior pro, nowhere near the kind of maturity that's going to see's her eventually scoring the goals most people feel she can.

    Just look at Bühl... a young forward who's developed her game to be a goals scoring wide player, and now brings assists with that goal threat too. But look how many years in the league it took for her to get there.
     
  24. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    You mean like current Bayern... the team you constantly dismiss for their annoying style of play lol...:rolleyes:

    I agree with this idea Vs Bulgaria though, as it left me very confused seeing MVT trying to negatively effect Magull game in the 1st half, and then still remove her when she went on to outshine Marozsan again.

    MVT seems determined to force Marozsan - Däbritz into the same team, but neglects to acknowledge the negative impact these two players continue to have in roles their skill sets clearly don't function best.
     
  25. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Are we really playing dumb on this...:unsure: Your really trying to compare the Netherland's tactics and player pool depth, with Germany's...?

    I keep telling you the German wnt program uses awful player analysis to identify it's best players, and we've seen the horror show of the coaching. But a few months until a Euro's, we're also still trying to understand why the current coach can't find 14 players to create a stronger side than the team we saw at the WC; this happening 4 years into her job...:speechless:

    I feel you could create TWO competitive teams with the players available to MVT, but we just saw her start WC qualification without a recognized LB, and 1 CB lol. Yeah... lets stop the comparisons to Euro rivals.
     

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