German Fraulein National Team 2020 & beyond

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by hotjam2, Feb 26, 2020.

  1. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Küver and Cerci should have been in this squad. Leaving Petermann and Doorsoun to actually showcase some kind of form/improvement to justify their continued involvement.

    It's fine bringing more experience, but these squads are always so unbalanced, it would actually make more sense for MVT to bring in positional specialists who can help create an actual team shape for once.

    Seriously... I'm tired of seeing nations like England doing NOTHING at junior wnt level, but constantly having their young defensive players hyped as the next wave of elite international talent...:confused:

    Germany ignoring what they have, to try something unnecessary... why can't Elsig's experience help a young Kleinherne establish herself within a CB partnership right now..? Seeing a young Küver getting her chance with Rauch, Simon, Gwinn, all missing.
     
  2. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    not asking all that much for Buhl to have an Lieke Martens/2017 Euros type performance(especially since Lieke came with almost no creds into that tourney). Buhl’s best already came in the fall, two years ago when she led the team in scoring in early EU qualifiers, plus scored the game winner in the last minute vs England at Wembley right before she turned 19.

    didn’t think she was looking that good late this last season(BM losses to HOF/WOB/CHE plus NT’s poor showing vs FR/CH)

    She must of cut her summer break short & worked with BM’s best trainers, as she came out like gang-busters in those pre season games last month, looking like she’s capable of being fully in charge. So we got to hope that this new again mentality will be with her come next summer’s Euros
     
  3. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    I’m not the only that’s mentioned Germany’s failure to produce enough world class players(let’s say definition is maybe 25 best players in the world).
    All four participated in Germany’s last two major tourney failures. Marozsan was queen at the 2016 Olympics, but that was right before she joined the pompous Lyon, and her career started to decline ever since. I believe you even admitted that this is begin to happen to Dabritz as well since joining PSG. Popp injury woes should be an concern. She doesn’t play striker for her club(but that’s where you placed her). Do to her strong headed game, Popp would be best used against opponents that bunker.
    Remember, Maro, Popp & Dabritz all played in that Dutch friendly earlier this year & looked way overwhelmed, the faster pace of the stronger opponents has improved dramatically over the last few years, and those three couldn’t keep up with it
    so in your lineup you basically got the three I mentioned beforehand that were rather underwhelming vs an tough opponent like the Dutch. Hegering who couldn’t handle the Swedes
    defensively at WC 2019. Two full backs that don’t even start at their club(BM)
    This would be my lineup in let’s say the tough quarters finals(but please note; it’s the expectation that the younger players will only get better by next year)

    Brand….. Schuller……Buhl
    ……Dabritz…….Magull
    …………..Oberdorf
    Kuver…Elsig…Kleineheme…Linder

    I got to choose Linder over Hendrich’s strong overlapping game for defensive purposes. Kuver over Simon due to her speedy backtracking. Schuller over Freigang due to more chemistry with BM teammates. Feel bad putting Buhl to the right, but she’s been showing that can play just as good from that spot, plus makes room for Brand to start. I was really thinking of replacing Dabritz stylishness for Nuskens tough as nails approach.

    My tactics would be a mix of direct & diagonal passing on an faster pace than the previous move upfield ways through overlapping FB’s & go through the mid DM’s. And will allow players to more dribble drive than just one touch passing
     
  4. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    First, Marten's was 24yo when she played in those home Euro's, and secondly you were constantly saying Buhl was overrated back then too lol; but now you expect her to be more influential for a WNT, potentially featuring established names like Popp, Marozsán, Magull, Däbritz...:cautious:

    Stop being irrational lol.
     
  5. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    She was a19yo wide forward, playing in a Bayern team trying to win it's first title in years, with a new coach/team, trying to establish themselves among Europe's elite.

    Oh, also being a regular starter for a wnt, where she's expected to carry an attack that hasn't had a mid-field, or defensive game plan, in YEARS!

    Again... you seem to be conveniently ignoring some very... very important factors here, to push narratives that don't really make sense...:unsure:
     
  6. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    It's called being a really good young talent, making the natural growth towards becoming a high quality professional, fully capable of producing more consistency in their own performances.

    In my opinion, I feel like the finishing, and 1v1 dribbling of Bühl still has a lot more growth to come. But I saw her potential being a very high bar a long time ago, feeling like she could have been recognized a genuine global talent even sooner, if she played for a senior wnt not run like a amateurish club side...:rolleyes:
     
  7. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    And I'm sure a lot of these people get really annoyed seeing various German women's teams constantly qualifying for junior WC's, and fear a time the DFB finally removes it's self imposed hands off approach handicap...:whistling:

    Lol... Marozsan was AWFUL at the Olympics, with that poor footballing teams successes being spearhead by a CM playing Melanie Behringer's 5 goal top scorer performance.

    Däbritz is still a high quality player, simply playing in the wrong position. This knowing she left Germany as very effective wide forward, who's final club season saw her scoring 13 goals with 9 assists (no domestic wide player been better since), after producing numerous impressive performances for the wnt as a wide player too.

    And Popp was unlucky to suffer a season ending injury, previously missing tournaments for the wnt, after being an ever present for a strong Wolfsburg side. She's likely to return, and still be a very important/unique player for the wnt, and her club.
     
  8. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    Rubbish... Germany, with a obviously poor team shape, actually created MORE clear cut chances (shots/shots on target) in this friendly game your always saying they were supposedly "overwhelmed"...:confused:

    The back 4 for Germany in that match was AWFUL, and had ZERO protection from MVT's system using two AM's (Marozsan - Däbritz) in front of them, as a double 6. Yet it still saw the individual talent still available to MVT, almost end the match with a draw.

    This missing a Hegering we see as a full time pro at Bayern now, looking nothing like the part time Essen player we saw featuring at the heart of Germany's defense in 2019. As only a fool would dismiss a talent like Gwinn irrelevant, because she's just come back from serious injury, and can't start ahead of Simon, or Glass lol.

    So stop pretending German players suddenly individually inferior compared to international rivals. I see the SAME matches everyone else does, and what I'm seeing is significantly better professionalism in wnt's now, while Germany's wnt run like it's still the early 2000's.

    You really need to be selecting a team based on players MVT actually uses though...:coffee:
     
  9. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    we still talking about having the right team for next year. After watching Frankfurt’s yesterday’s game. MVT would be an idiot not to give Kuver an try. Same could be said for Linder after her 1 goal/1 assist performance in her last CL match. She’s so good in NOT loosing the ball whether she’s double, triple teamed(whereas I’ve seen Rall get dispossessed quite a few times).
    And then hopefully/wishfully MVT & Elsig can work it out whatever set them apart

    btw…..yesterday’s Frankfurt’s 3rd goal was exactly so perfectly set up of which I do keep hammering about; Nuskin makes the diagonally pass from the left side to the far right, unto the surging Kuver(who’s open due to her fast speed upfield) and her accurate pass to the perfectly timed run & one touch goal by Martinez.
    This is the fast paced ‘change of direction’ of attack type soccer that can take the opponent completely by surprise & which hopefully MVT inspire to play
     
  10. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    Yes... but for the past 4 years, on top of the many years prior to that, we've not seen Neid, Jones, a short term interim coach, or MVT, ever select a defensive unit using players club form as reference points...:coffee:

    They've not even created teams using the kind of player analysis, that ever really allows players unique technical, and physical attributes, to be taken into account when deployed in roles their not used to...:confused:

    Which is why I'm saying you should try selecting teams based on the players MVT's actually using, and not what you feel makes more sense.
     
  11. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    LOL... you already know the answer to this. If it's a choice between reverting Brand into being a FB, or testing Küver at senior level, MVT always going to ruin Brand.

    And Linder has always been a strong CB/FB for the junior teams, even starting her senior club level development with Hoffenheim as a defender too (very similar to Wolter). So.... we should also know the answer to this equation, no..? Here's a spoiler... she's not going to be given a chance as a senior wnt defender...:rolleyes:
     
  12. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    And...? Nüsken produces the same qualities for the wnt, but your going to play her ahead of Oberdorf - Marozsan - Magull..? Or think MVT will play ahead of Däbritz, Leupolz, Lattwein, Dallmann come the Euro's...?

    Nüsken has done well with the match time she's found, but as a mid-fielder isn't much closer to a wnt tournament squad than Lohmann. And this is probably why the moronic decisions to select both Lohmann, and now Nusken, as defenders has taken place with MVT.

    These wnt coaches seeing a player pool full of CM/AM talent, and instead of making critical decisions on who should be left out, are instead using the amateurish practice of forcing as many as possible into the starting 11...:confused:

    Why do you think the outside belief exists, Germany only has access the same kind of player lol.
     
  13. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Leaving out various impressive U-19/20 cycle CB's, these are some names which have impressed me as CB's for the U-19/20 wnt, or senior club teams: Elsig - Wolter - Hegering - Stegemann - Specht - Demann - Wirtz - Kleinherne - Doorsoun - Linder - Hendrich.

    Only 4 names on my short list are currently within the senior wnt squad, with only 2 of these (Kleinherne - Hendrich) playing a CB's in any kind of form you'd consider international quality; and both of these players are mainly used a FB's in MVT's teams...:confused:

    This same weird logic goes for MVT's FB's choices too, where past and present wnt coaches will ignore junior wnt, and current club form, to try and instead convert AM/FW's. MVT would even go to the lengths of selecting a perennial sub in England (Maier), over Bundesliga regulars lol.
     
  14. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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  15. Klingo3034

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  16. Klingo3034

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    Oct 11, 2019
    Wonder what players in the German roster that stands out so far or has potential.
     
  17. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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  18. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    YEP
    last u19 game for Germany was March 9th, 2020

    edit; Slovenia is the opponent(their flag looks eerily to Russia's
    the soccerway page has their supposedly current lineup
    Germany - Germany Under 19 - Results, fixtures, squad, statistics, photos, videos and news - Women Soccerway
    I noticed Julie Brand not rostered but maybe it's becaise she's already going to play for their senior team. Camila Kuver, is the one I recommend to check out(if she does play). She an nearly 6 ft tall blond, usually at FB for Frankfurt. Actually played high school in Pennsylvania couple of years ago as an foreign exchange student
     
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  19. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    Due to Covid, this is a u-19 squad comprised of a completely new group of players.

    But looking at the squad list, I feel like it's Küver, and Wamser, as the most obvious stand outs based on their Bundesliga displays. With Piljic, Sterner, Zicai, Gräwe, the only other names I recognize with regular appearances in the top division this season.

    With junior football being gone for so long, it's removed the ability to witness a clean transition between u17 and u19 age groups. Meaning many of the u-19's Bundesliga regulars, are now being put into the U-20 age group, or left out completely for younger options to take their place.

    This seen with Corley, or Martinez not being asked to play...:confused: This U-19 squad clearly created with the intention of leaving a lot of very strong options out of qualification process; should things go well, I feel like the U-20 team will be the far more impressive collective.
     
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  20. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    The new look u17's won their first match 1-5 Vs Sweden... so I guess we'll see if the scouting system worked for the new u19's coach too...:cautious:
     
  21. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    I just did a check, and noticed it's players born Jan 1st 2002 to 2006 the cut off for the next u20 WC. Meaning it makes more sense why so many players will miss their opportunity for a junior WC.

    Brand - Wamser - Corely - Küver - Weidauer, the only current Bundesliga regulars I see eligible for the next u-20 WC; and only two of those names are in the u-19 squad.

    Covid meant everyone missed an entire cycles development..o_O
     
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  22. Klingo3034

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    Oct 11, 2019
    Would Brand still be eligible to play in U20 tournaments even if she is on the senior team? Think Pugh did something like that similar. She was senior team but still played lower age.
     
  23. Klingo3034

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  24. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    They were advertising 2022 u19 Euro Championship, so that means the u20 WC(previously played every 2 years)would then be only in 2023, meaning a five year absence since the last, so Brand(who turns 19 this Nov.) would luck out,
     
  25. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    3-1 halftime. Came late to watching, so dunno how Slovenia scored since it seems all one way traffic for Germany

    Kuver, who last seen looking so good on the fast break for Frankfurt, reduced to playing CB in this game—-what else is new, lol!
     

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