US women soccer players want equal pay to US men's team.

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  1. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And during these Olympic Games there is still a certain subset of USWNT fans who appear to believe their favorite stars will continue to be the best forever, and blow up at anyone who dares suggest that it's time for older players to make way for new blood. I can't say I'm surprised. It's been a pretty endemic attitude among USWNT fans for 20 years, which I think comes from USWNT players not facing a whole lot of competition, either from opponents or from younger Americans competing for spots on the team.
     
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  2. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I have not watched the games but I know the strategy pretty well. The WNT rested up during group phase. They will try to turn it on in the knockouts. It may not be enough because they also lost their aura of invincibility. This is the type of strategy that works well for more tactical and defensive teams. Not so much for a high octane, offensive team like this one. That type of intensity is not easy to turn back on. Unfortunately, this team with the limited Olympic roster has no other choice. There are tons of other players in the US that could have made this team younger and better but the contract will not easily allow it.
     
  3. Doogh

    Doogh Member+

    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Still, let's sub a 35 year old with a 39 year old, though!
     
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  4. Logrus53

    Logrus53 New Member

    Aug 25, 2004
    With at least that same subset of fans.........any failure to succeed by this team will rest entirely on the shoulders of the COACH, not their aging idols.

    I'm already seeing some criticism of "the roster HE picked" (like he had much real choice as far as the mainstays).

    They haven't failed yet, of course. Trying to get through the group stage without injury and without overworking an older group is not a terrible strategy, as long as the knockout stage is reached. Positioning and match ups in the knockout stage probably aren't as supercritical as some would believe, in this particular tournament (open for some debate, anyway).

    There's every likelihood that they can "turn it on" and win. They could then wrap themselves in the glory of "coming back against the odds" and milk that for all it's worth. They are strong in the PR game!

    But, if they lose....you can bet that subset of USWNT "superfans" will put the blame entirely on the coach.
     
  5. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not knowing enough about the player pool for the USWNT, are there younger players that people think deserve to be on the roster and who are not?

    Like is this an issue of they just keep winning every game they play and so no reason to change things up, or a situation where the next generation of players isn't as good?
     
  6. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    There's no way to even evaluate that question in detail. That, in itself, is a problem.
     
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  7. Scotty

    Scotty Member+

    Dec 15, 1999
    Toscana
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  8. jmplautz

    jmplautz Member

    Jul 28, 2007
    Madison
    There was a time when most professional athletes had real jobs and their sport was their side gig.

    The women would be wise to learn the names Junior Bridgeman, Bill Bradley and Alan Page.
     
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  9. HouseofCards

    HouseofCards Member

    Nov 26, 2012
  10. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  11. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    It's hero-worship more than it is sport.
     
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  12. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    The US is still just a bit deeper than the competition, even with teams like the Netherlands catching up in terms of the best players.
     
  13. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    They were extraordinarily lucky that the Netherlands got a case of England PK-itis and blew one late in normal time and two in the shootout.

    Also the amount of disallowed goals from the US in this tournament via VAR leads me to believe that when they beat some hapless jobber opponent in a friendly 14-0 that maybe those scorelines are a bit inflated by the lack of VAR.
     
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  14. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Turns out the US men also think USSF has treated the women like dirt and that the women should win their lawsuit. The Men’s union has filed an amicus brief at the appellate court saying the trial judge’s analysis was bogus. What do you know, the people closest to all of this are pretty clear on what the facts actually are. Good for them.
    https://www.espn.com/soccer/united-...sage-toward-second-class-uswntsays-mens-union
     
  15. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Bit quiet in here. The coach's removal of one of the old birds from the starting lineup reaped good dividends.
     
  16. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    TBH, I thought the US had to play this tournament with an 18 player squad. I didn't realize that FIFA or the IOC changed it at the beginning of July, and was very confused to turn on the match and see Lynn Williams score.

    This is helpful for the US, and mitigates some of the issues with otherwise relying on 5 forwards in their 30s.
     
  17. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Of course a player's Union is going to side with another Player's Union in a pay dispute....so shocking.

    The WNT are largely paid a salary, with benefits, and bonuses. These bonuses are not as high as the men's bonuses due to the salaries they get paid. The USSF also pays them to play in NWSL as well.

    The MNT are paid per appearance/cap. They also get bonuses for wins, these bonuses are higher due to them not getting paid a set salary.

    In this instance the MNT is a 100% commissioned sales person. The WNT is a salaried sales person. For the men, higher risk, higher reward. In other words, no sale, no pay. I'm oversimplifying this, however, IMO the legal team representing the players is making this whole thing more complicated (which they have to do).

    It would be surprising for a court to rule in the favor of the USWNT suit. Mainly because they did in fact negotiate and AGREE to the terms of the contract.

    The best time for the Women to take a stand would have been when they were collectively bargaining the deal in the first place. They should have said NO to the deal. They should have said F*** You! Pay ME! Then threatened to not play in the World Cup. They should have backed the Fed into a corner.

    OTOH I totally understand them taking a less than perfect deal, because they need to get paid a living.

    Also, the whole government getting involved wouldn't benefit anyone. IF that were to happen, FIFA would step in, and they could ban the US from international competition. I highly doubt it would ever come to that (FIFA is one of the greediest non-profits on the planet), but they would surely make the USSF sweat.
     
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  18. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    The facts are public . They don't support your narrative.
     
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  19. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Actually, I would be astonished if the appellate court didnt overturn it. The fact that we are arguing shows that there is an material issues of triable fact, which means the grant of summary judgment was wrong.
     
  20. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lol. That isnt remotely true, as the men note. If the men had had an equiblvalent performance to the women they would have gotten paid a lot more, which is a prima facie disparate rate. but I know some men would die before seeing women get equal status.
     
  21. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    There is the type of ignorance that is due to being uninformed which is OK. But ignoring available hard facts is just being willingly ignorant .. which is not understandable.
     
  22. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Where did you earn your law degree? Oh, right, you didn't, plus you are pretty much mathematically illiterate. But yes, your willful ignorance is fairly embarrassing
     
  23. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid

    Then just let USSF pay the difference of winning a WC for men and woman and get it over with. See how much that will affect soccer in this country going forward. At least these women and their supporters will get what they want.
     
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  24. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    You have a law degree ? I'd get my money back. The facts don't support your law degree.
     
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  25. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    That would be the sensible approach, plus making sure there are equivalent facilities (no more turf) and always would have been. But USSF had to dig in rather than do the decent and reasonable thing. Not covering themselves in glory.
     

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