List of Differences Between NFHS & IFAB Soccer

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  1. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    Going back a few posts, the red card for leaving the team area was a disaster for two schools in my area a few years back. They had a brawl in PRE SEASON resulting in numerous DQ’s which made them both ineligible for the season ENDING state tournament!!
     
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  2. Kit

    Kit Member+

    Aug 30, 1999
    Herkimer, NY, USA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is that the same one they use in gridiron football for false start? I call that the disco foul when I see it.
     
  3. RefGil

    RefGil Member

    Dec 10, 2010
    I know I've done the "Chicken Dance" while demonstrating the various signals. I have no shame AND no rhythm.

    And my brain is telling me that there used to be one that looked like a basketball "Charging"/"Offensice foul" signal. Not that I can remember what it was for.
     
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  4. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    Slight correction - Shirt and socks must be white. Shorts can be another color.
    And the shirt must be all white. No stripes or piping or any other colors. So, if a team is wearing an Adidas shirt, the 3 stripes must be white. They cannot be another color.
     
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  5. DefRef

    DefRef Member

    Jul 3, 2017
    Storrs CT
    You are correct, but major thing to keep in mind with MANY NFHS rules is that the "penalty" is you play the game, and inform the powers that be. Who often times don't give a rats patootie.

    It feels similar to where FIFA rules are written for the highest levels, but not really relevant at local level. We have many tech schools that have minimal sports budgets and use old uniforms/equipment. And no one cares.

    And another example - the field is supposed to have a clearly marked center spot. The top school in our part of the state has a HUGE white letter T in the middle of the turf field - no clue where the center spot is, or even the center line. I notified my assignor years ago and he thanked me for the info and nothing changed. Not a big deal, but then why have the stupid rule in the first place.............
     
  6. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    At least once upon a time it was for "misconduct"(in case the card wasn't clear?!?)--according to my 1975 edition of Fair or Foul.
     
  7. Pelican86

    Pelican86 Member

    United States
    Jun 13, 2019
    That's something I've never really thought about. Obviously at the professional level with limited substitutions, if a player punched an opponent during halftime, you'd show a red and it'd be 10v11. But I can't imagine a halftime sending off forcing a team to play 10v11 in a youth game with unlimited subs. Even the youth regional league games I've worked with limited subs per half and no re-entry in the half require player cards to be handed back to the coaches at the end of the 1st half and then given to the officials prior to the start of the 2nd half. So there wouldn't be any distinction between players and subs during halftime. And if there's unlimited subs, I'm certainly not going to use mental energy to remember who the 22 players on the pitch at the end of the 1st half were.

    Anyone ever been in that situation? Or seen rules of competition that addressed the scenario?
     
  8. voiceoflg

    voiceoflg Member+

    Dec 8, 2005
    #33 voiceoflg, Jul 16, 2021
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    Yup. Navy blue shirts with white shoulders and beige numbers vs. black jerseys and gold numbers, nothing on the shoulders.

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  9. Kit

    Kit Member+

    Aug 30, 1999
    Herkimer, NY, USA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The opposite happened to me once. Years ago, I was at a field where there was no center mark for the kick off. I told the coach that there needed to be one but we were going to play the game anyway. Afterwards, I called my assignor and let him know. The next time I was at that field an orange X had been painted on as a center spot.
     
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  10. Kit

    Kit Member+

    Aug 30, 1999
    Herkimer, NY, USA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The last year that home teams had to wear white jerseys and socks was 3 (?) years ago. I had a game late in the season. The home team coach comes up to me and asks if his players can wear pink socks for breast cancer awareness. I told him that officially his players had to wear white socks since they were the home team. Then I said, "But here's what we are going to do. If your team only has pink socks and cannot correct the situation, we'll play the game anyway. Then I'll report it to my assignor who'll tell you to correct it by your next game. But since this is your last home game, you have until next year to correct the problem."
     
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  11. Law5

    Law5 Member+

    Mar 24, 2005
    Beaverton OR
    I don't know about a rat's patootie, but I get e-mails just about every month of the year that high school soccer is not being played from AD's and coaches who want to know if this particular shirt is okay for high school. 'The salesman said it was NFHS legal.....' :)

    The Adidas three stripes are an issue in themselves, because they are considered to be a manufacturer's logo, and such logos have to fit within a 2.25 sq. in. area. Any guesses who successfully raised the issue that the three stripes are a logo and not just part of the design? Yes, you in the back. Correct. It was Nike!!! I had long jumpers at the Olympic Trials whose three stripes had to be covered with tape just before they came out to warm up because the logo was too big.
     
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  12. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    Oh I almost forgot. Around here anyway, it is a known fact that all-black shoes are key to your officiating prowess.

    Black New Balance cross-trainers are a sure sign it's going to be a long night...
     
  13. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You’re thinking of it kind of backwards. Unless the ROC say they play at full strength for the half time card then the default is that they don’t.

    If it’s a league like GLC or something where subs are limited per half you are supposed to at least make an attempt to determine who was not on the field at the end.
     
  14. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I actually like this rule. Allowing more people into a mass con is never a good idea.

    Our assignor tried to brow beat us into ignoring this rule at our pre post season meeting once but our local chapter president told him unless he’s got written direction from the state governing body that we are to ignore NFHS rules then his direction is going to be ignored.

    Imagine all the shenanigans a lawyer could get up to if a “peaceful” person gets decked or grabs someone else’s kid during a fight and now there is a claim of inappropriate touching. Yeesh.
     
  15. TheRealBilbo

    TheRealBilbo Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    But did you report it? Does anyone?

    The old ‘tucked shirt’ thing was an interesting one. The shirt has to be tucked in unless it was designed to be worn untucked. I’ve not seen a shirt that wasn’t designed to be worn untucked. I think I would have enjoyed it if one of my partners told the players to tuck in the shirt, and the player reply ‘but it’s designed to be worn untucked.’
     
  16. Kit

    Kit Member+

    Aug 30, 1999
    Herkimer, NY, USA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, I did report it.

    In my area, we were told that shirts had to be tucked in at the start of the game. However, if they became untucked during play to ignore it.
     
  17. Kit

    Kit Member+

    Aug 30, 1999
    Herkimer, NY, USA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When I first read this, I thought that following the letter of the “law” it did say black shoes in NFHS rules. Then I went and looked it up and it actually says “predominately black shoes.”
     
  18. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    Here's how that plays in PA. Copa turfs and many other actual soccer shoes are prohibited but I'm absolutely going to be sporting culottes this year.

    I got dinged by our now-former District playoff assignor for wearing King turfs, since the midsole is other than black. As a practical matter there are guys who wear whatever during the season, but come playoffs it is a Very Big Deal to look more like a baseball ump than an actual running person.

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  19. Kit

    Kit Member+

    Aug 30, 1999
    Herkimer, NY, USA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did I read that right? Officials can wear a skirt?

    I'm glad to see that you can wear adidas shoes as long as they have black soles, but not white ones.

    That's almost as ridiculous as when I got a USSF assessment once and I got points off because I swung my arms too much when I ran!
     
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  20. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    I’m just happy that I have convinced a few dinosaurs that it doesn’t matter if members of the ref team choose different sleeve lengths… the things that get some people excited…
     
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  21. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m impressed against my will that PA somehow managed to further lower my opinion of their soccer official regulations and systems.
     
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  22. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    I’m a bit passive aggressive. If a partner says “yellow long sleeve” if the weather is agreeable, I’ll go to my car and come back wearing yellow short sleeve.
     
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  23. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dang - I'd really get dinged with the new shoes I bought for middles.
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  24. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    I totally agree with you. That’s why I go letter of the law when it comes to stuff like that. Especially with all the video that’s out there now, too.

    I had one of those 2 schools in a later round of the state tournament last year. The coach was still complaining about it.
     
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  25. Gary V

    Gary V Member+

    Feb 4, 2003
    SE Mich.
    I ref FIRST Robotics. It used to be B&W stripes for all; now the head ref wears a black and yellow jersey (formerly a soccer jersey, now it's more like a bowling shirt; I assume they found a cheaper source).

    We wear black shorts or pants; I've never seen one, but I guess skirts are OK. Once a ref came with a black kilt.
     
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