Are we better or worse, WTF is going on - Summer 2021 transfer thread.

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by chjoak, Feb 4, 2021.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ricardinho & Vanderson look pretty solid. Neither would be HG but we would have 1-2 seasons before we have to worry about them using a non-HG slot. Also seeing reports that Inter had a 9m euro offer rejected for Ricardinho.
     
  2. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    It’s not the whole picture. It demonstrates an obvious relationship, i.e., a players pass completion rate goes down as he takes more chances with his passing. When playing for a manager that is risk adverse completion rates will go up, while his percentage of forward passes will go down, which is why I suggested these numbers should be viewed in the context of how risk adverse or risk taking the team is.

    Obviously most good players are going to be above the median line. The graph was for midfielders and defensive midfielders. The biggest outlier is De Bruyne who falls below the line, but I suspect that is because he is primarily an attacking midfielder playing in the offensive third where there is less room for forward passes. Other than that outlier coaches should be looking for players above the median that fir their style of risk vs risk adverse. A counterattacking team is going to be looking at players above the line on the left hand side of the graph, a possession team for players above the line on the right.
     
  3. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    can you see who all the dots are in the report? If so can you link it so we can look?
     
  4. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Please don’t judge players off stats and YouTube videos

    The Belgian league is horrific

    the premier league requires athletic ability and technique under pressure

    that’s why xhaka has looked good with time on the ball but horrible as the last man under pressure
     
  5. Super Llama

    Super Llama Member+

    May 21, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Ikea meatballs
     
  6. Super Llama

    Super Llama Member+

    May 21, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Tbf to the stats, they know more than you
     
    leppercut repped this.
  7. CarlosKaiser

    CarlosKaiser Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
    I saw the Vanderson rumors a while back and I like him mostly for his name that is somehow Dutch, Scandinavian and Brazilian. It's fantastic. But on the same day he was rumored to be linked with Arsenal, he signed a new contract with Gremio.
     
    daedalus repped this.
  8. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
  9. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    #1584 casoccerdad47, Jun 15, 2021
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2021
    What you can see on videos is athletic ability and Lokonga appears to be a good athlete. When I watch a highlight video that’s primarily what I’m looking to evaluate. For example, I don’t have access to Ligue 1 games, so all I’ve seen of Saliba is highlights, but it’s clear from those highlights he is a good athlete and, with the exception of Gabriel, that’s something Arsenal have lacked on defense since Koscielney left.
     
    daedalus repped this.
  10. Ofori

    Ofori Red Card

    Inter Milan
    Ghana
    May 9, 2020
    Ben White is actually perfect for us here at Arsenal
     
  11. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    i'm not arguing that leno is all world but the list of people that would be an improvement on him does not appear to be overly long.

    i was not at all suggesting signing woodman to just be a "HG perpetual no 2" but an eventual no 1.
     
  12. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    oh. no doubt, no doubt. you don't just take the first price given.

    i guess i'm overreacting from all the times we dicker over 3-5M to have someone else swoop in and finish the deal. (and that was when we had CL football on the table.)

    and then perpetual, "<wink> we knew about him, you know."
     
  13. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seen some claims that Brighton may have some interest in Chambers, Willock, AMN and/or Eddie as make weight in any deal for White.
     
  14. CarlosKaiser

    CarlosKaiser Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
     
  15. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My problem with that story is "an unnamed England club". That screamd of Ajax or Onana's agent looking for more money or to escalate the deal.
     
  16. poetgooner

    poetgooner Member+

    Arsenal
    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
     
    DaPrince84 repped this.
  17. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    Probably the wrong age profile. One three or four year contract and then you can’t get back what you paid for him. He’s probably a good signing if he is the last piece, but he’s not the last piece for Arsenal.
     
    daedalus, chjoak and Tonerl repped this.
  18. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean, great. We shouldn’t be interested in him anyway.

    Why is it news that we ‘never contacted Udinese’? Because there was some bullshit reporting on alleged interest?
     
  19. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    highlights only show the good moments

    very rarely his reading and positioning

    anyone will stand out in the Jupiter league or whatever it’s called

    best way is to combine stats and watch full games to assess their role not just individual traits
     
  20. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  21. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    rumors this morning that we are interested in Sheff U GK Aaron Ramsdale
     
  22. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Jittysoccer: Arsenal looking to sign 7-8 players, hot interest in Duncan Idaho for the Gurney Halleck role
     
    daedalus repped this.
  23. Ofori

    Ofori Red Card

    Inter Milan
    Ghana
    May 9, 2020
    Patrik Schick I definitely want him at Arsenal especially given what I just saw from him in the EUROs
     
  24. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    mill believe that when we announce them on the website
     
  25. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We still need to sell or loan quite a few guys to be able to bring in 4-5 guys that can compete to start. I'm also very curious as to what that 4-5 means. We have current needs for starter or backup at GK, LB, RB, CMx2 & AM. That is 6 and doesn't count links to CBs & Ws or the possibility that we could need a ST if/when current ones are moved.
     

Share This Page