German Fraulein National Team 2020 & beyond

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by hotjam2, Feb 26, 2020.

  1. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Not creating enough chances, then wasting the openings they do find through disjointed individual play. This result wouldn't have looked any different with MVT having access to all her first team options.

    Honestly... if 3rd place Hoffenheim played a test against the national team, I'd seriously bet on Hoffenheim to win lol. With the Hoffenheim girls on the national team only playing for Hoffenheim, I'd argue they're a better football team than the wnt...:whistling:

    I wouldn't even want to see Maier facing Brand in club football... but somehow Maier still starts for the national team, as a bench player for Arsenal lol.
     
  2. hotjam2

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    #327 hotjam2, Jun 11, 2021
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    Still haven’t found an replay(probably got to wait for the weekend to view it). The zero goals is a bit disappointing; did start your fav front line of Buhl-Schuller-Huth, but noticed on tinker that my faves subbed in, Brand & Wassmuth(but not Freigang)couldn’t score either.
    So if your saying Buhl still had a good game, I think think they should give
    Brand an try at central striker, this isn’t as far fetched as MVT’s previous stance of turning her into an FB & at least give both a chance to play together instead of one subbing for the other.

    MVT should thank her lucky stars that the Euros been delayed for another year cuz if it happened now, it would of most probable semi/quarter final exist. She obviously over expands her squad but even if she got to an smaller ‘core’ of players, it probably wouldn’t be the quality wise or right players to win an major tourney. While don’t want to underestimate team work, right now there’s no ‘Go To’ players that can guarantee goals at an good enough pace(Buhl hasn’t scored an NT goal since 2019)

    going with the Miedema & Martens analogy, just yesterday my point was proven; without them, the Dutch looked like an very average team in their loss vs Italy. No amount of good/great coaching will help them if their missing their two superstars(read all the reviews of this game)

    BM & WOB having been rapping the likes of Essen & Freiburg of the last couple for years(HOF is the new victim now). It’s just not good for the competitive of the league if those clubs keep loosing their best players. This is where the DBF federation needs to step up & maybe even pay the salaries of some of the top players of the ten lesser clubs. Otherwise the quality will continue to suffer(as right now Germany can’t produce an single top of the line goal scorer or CB, do important in winning major tournaments these days
     
  3. Neytreenor

    Neytreenor Member

    May 3, 2014
    All games of France WNT on youtube are geoblocked to USA, Canada, Puerto Rico. You will need VPN to watch it (I suppose, finding american VPN should not be a big problem). The replay is, for example, here .
     
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  4. Thomsen

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    FC Bayern München
    I agree on Maier, as a big fan of hers, it’s kinda sad to see where she finds herself at the moment after her great 2013-2016 years… :thumbsdown:

    And this team is basically a copy of the men’s side, blessed with an incredible pool of midfielders but lacking defensive options + a terrible coach… :confused: MVT is better than Steffi Jones at least, but not by much given how she’s struggling to find an identity of this team with so much talent… just sad
     
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  5. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    lol.. When did I say it's my favorite front line..? Bühl - Schüller - Huth are simply the most efficient FW's MVT can select with her stupidly bloated rosters. However, with MVT's poor organization, it's resulted in FW players inability to understand each other; and your just not going to see their standards/positive traits within club football carry over into the international stage on a regular basis.

    Meaning even when the more direct running styles of Waßmuth and Brand get introduced into the match Vs France, their most effective attributes also become severely compromised if compared to their normal decision making abilities within their club side.

    And yes.. I understand the international stage different to the club game. But when your watching examples of Bühl - Schüller - Huth not combing ONCE during various great counter attacking opportunities, you know somethings very wrong.

    For me this being at it's worst, within the various moments both Brand and Waßmuth would make clever off the ball movements expecting team mates to play quicker/early passes, only to receive absolutely nothing.

    Your looking at perfectly strong players, but their all doing their own thing, as if coaches still believe individual ability can overcome poor cohesiveness/game management. It all feels very amateurish.
     
  6. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    No... lol, you really don't want to see that...:cautious: Looking at the garbage service Popp, Freigang, Schüller, have to contend with, seeing Brand as a lone FW would just be another complete waste of everyone's time. Wow.. the fact you believe an 18yo Brand can play everywhere, just shows how much this wnt devoid of identity.

    Look at the similar playing style Schüller. Everyone around her often appears under instruction to never notice the good runs behind an opponents back 4 she'll make; but you somehow believe Brand would instantly invalidate those issues...:unsure:
     
  7. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    Put Miedema & Martens in the German wnt, the German wnt helps makes them look very ordinary too...:whistling: And I know you don't want to hear that, but staying in your fantasy world, I believe the kinds of special individualism MVT would need to gain access to, simply hoping to push her team deep into championships, doesn't currently exist in women's football lol.

    For me, Germany would need a prime Marta for anybody to even consider them capable of escaping a WWC first knockout round. Miedema & Martens combined ain't that kind of special chief... so... is this just you highlighting how Germany don't have any players on some weirdo ESPN 10 Ten women's football list...?

    Could Germany benefit from Marozsan actually being world class for them... of course. But with all the young talent, I'd think it's smarter to expect coaches build a solid team first, then establish it's individual stars.
     
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  8. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    OK.. lets break this down ruthlessly. My most effective 14/15 players for a 4-2-3-1...
    Bühl ------------------- Popp -------------------- Däbritz
    ------------------------ Magull -----------------------------
    --------------- Nüsken ------ Oberdorf ------------------
    Simon ---- Hegering ---- Kleinherne ---- Hendrich

    Sub: CM Lattwein - WF Brand - AM Marozsan - CB/FB Doorsoun - FW Schüller

    I don't care what kind of US centric missing "IT Factor" you try and attach to the construction of a good German wnt. Your going to have a hard time convincing me a good coach couldn't create a very effective team from this core group of players..:coffee:

    Leaving out options like Leupolz, Huth, Lohmann, Dallmann, Gwinn, Waßmuth etc... I've selected players based on their effectiveness within a 4-2-3-1; even if this means leaving out options with a supposed "Star" status on the bench.

    So even if MVT was missing access to key players, their shouldn't be a reality where she's selecting 27 player squads, and can't finish a friendly match with more than one player who's actually played regular football for their club as a defender...:confused: pretending Germany has no talent in attack or defense is a fallacy.

    Is it even possible to continue reaching UEFA finals at youth level, and not have defenders or forwards for the senior team? I mean they've never missed a junior WWC either lol. But I'm reading ideas Germany hasn't created enough talent to find quality forwards of defenders...:cautious:
     
  9. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    At the Euro's MVT should be creating a side that will establish itself as a coming force, targeting the WWC as the moment to make a push at actually wining something again.

    Bühl ------------------- Popp -------------------- Däbritz
    ------------------------ Magull -----------------------------
    --------------- Nüsken ------ Oberdorf ------------------
    Simon ---- Hegering ---- Kleinherne ---- Hendrich

    Japan accomplished major successes by having to complete a far more difficult building process, so I'm not suggesting anything crazy. They Just need 14 players... but Germany supposedly can't find 2 real CB's, or select a FB better than Maier...:cautious:
     
  10. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Since yesterday I have problems to login on bigsoccer. (I don`t know why.) So if you don`t see any comments in the near future it has nothing to do with me being shocked by Germany`s defeat.
     
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  11. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    #336 hotjam2, Jun 12, 2021
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    this must be the similar excuse over at YouTube as the usual 3 Germans have yet to post the replay of the game(guess I’ll have to watch it in French)

    it can’t be all bad; at least now the French are stuck with their much ‘hated’ coach probably till the end of Euros. Do you think if MVT looses to Chile, she might get fired?(might be the only way we’ll see Oberdorf ever play mid)
     
  12. Thomsen

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    Aug 6, 2016
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    FC Bayern München
    Anyone who knows why Simon and Elsig aren’t nominated anymore…? :cautious:
     
  13. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    I watch the first half & it’s been really depressing to say the least. MVT’s rather dry, mechanical style looses out to a more French, free wheeling attack form. The constant back passing to the GK, is scary to say the least, i mean it’s just an mistake or interception waiting to happen. Noticed GER still wants to keep the ball grounded from its back line passing with only its mids occasionally high balling it, but without much success or accuracy. As usual, lot of crosses into the center, lol even though that’s guarded by Renard(who’s generally regarded as the worlds best or at least tallest, in defending headers). So far, no shots on goal from Germany, all though once Huth got behind FR only to fall down. Meantime France had several chances late in the 1st half. Stronger defensive FB’s(instead of Rauch & Maier) could of prevented that but than why MVT wouldn’t of wanted Kleinherne in there as she’s an team mate of GK/Frohms? Don’t think anybody could of prevented that great goal by Dali

    dunno know why Buhl was signaled out for having a good game, as she’s barely taken a shot or successful pass within FR pk zone, but I still got to watch the 2nd half…
    .

    I take it that the usual strong defensive Elsig in winning both header & shoulder battles as well as very accurate with long balls & clearances is not good enough for MVT who in her Total-Futebol version prefers to have CB’s that moves up to become one more viable attacking member…..(pretty much prefers her FB’s that way as well).

    Not sure with Simon, MVT might just want to keep the left FB spot for the returning Gwinn. Both of them will have to battle for time well at BM
     
  14. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Because German wnt coaches continue to dismiss the value of a domestic league, don't trust anything related to the defenders within their junior wnt system, and appear to hold pure distain for the idea of players being FB/CB specialists..:confused:
     
  15. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    The French are not just "free wheeling" what they do lol.. they have a very clear structure to their playing style. From the way they advance the ball out of the back with long balls towards the wings, to the decisions their FB's make when timing advances into the opponents attacking zones.

    To suggest France were better than Germany, all because they had a less advanced/mechanical tactical approach, simply isn't true.

    Versus France, I gave most attention to Nüsken, Lohmann, Oberdorf, noticing them execute moments of play that are completely antithetical to the style MVT wants to impose over everything the team does.

    These moments saw Nüsken's willingness to move the ball quickly out wide, or look for difficult forward passes behind opposing FB's, blend with Lohmann showcasing her strong running ability to get into the PK box ahead of the teams forwards.

    Oberdorf and Lohmann almost creating a brilliant opportunity between themselves not paying attention to MVT's rules; as Oberdorf moves into a CM position, and executes a really hard long pass behind the French defense, for a driving CM run from Lohmann who just unfortunately couldn't control the ball.

    So without a real defense, Germany's CM and attack can't ever function at it's full potential. But every now and again, without a strong tactical approach you'll still see moments of positive play mixed with a lot of negative.
     
  16. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    LOL... so you don't understand why the only German forward to constantly create chances thanks to her own skill, is highlighted for having a good game...:unsure:

    Did you see how invisible Schuller, Huth, Brand, Wassmuth were... creating basically nothing within MVT's system...? Yes, Buhl isn't scoring, but compared to the other FW's, she's constantly getting chances, or creating for others, within a team who's only consistency, is being pretty damn inconsistent lol.

    Gwinn isn't returning to Bayern's first team as a FB... she's going to be a right sided attacker (her best position).

    And you know why... because her coach has no reason to convert anyone into a FB, when he has Simon - Ilestedt contending for the LB role, and the excellent Glass alongside a recently acquired Rall for the RB role.

    MVT would be a FOOL to select Gwinn as a FB. She's not good enough to be first choice for a club already using German international FB's, and competes in a national pool featuring Simon, Küver, Hendrich, Helcer, Rauch, Rall. That's the definition of the German wnt wasting it's resources...
     
  17. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    #342 hotjam2, Jun 14, 2021
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    Buhl played better in the 2nd half trying to take the initiative on her own. She probably should of stayed in the game.

    Brand’s speed was quite noticeable, but by the time she got in, Germany looked pretty much demoralized, and thus the passing to her was substandard as compared to earlier like the first 25 minutes when Germany was still in the game. But did you notice how she backtracked to help the incredibly useless Rauch on defense?

    Both Rauch & Maier were horrifically slow & inept, why can’t MVT see this? The federation really needs to look at this game & seriously think about firing MVT.

    Nobody came out looking good in this, French players simply out paced/out hustled their counterparts in this one; MVT didn’t believe in guarding the flanks(but we’ve seen this from previous NT coaches) but even when keeping the defense tight, Karchaoui was able to fly by Maier, Lohmann & Oberdorf in that one memorial highlight.
    I can understand, it was still some very young players in there(one 19 year old, 3 20 year olds starting) & Germany is never going to try & get away from its sort of disciplined ball control, passing game. But especially in woso, the competition is constantly improving & playing at a very faster pace…..(except for maybe 3-4 starters, this was France’s B team
     
  18. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    me think you been too much hibernating since 2019

    Buhl’s last NT goal was in 2019, Popp’s was, hmm…..also in 2019, as well as Dabritz
     
  19. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    Yes... she assisted tracking back to help the defense on more than one occasion, covering for Rauch being horribly out of position. But what use is it being quick, when your team can't move the ball early enough to see you facing opposing FB's in more advantageous 1v1 scenarios...?

    And replace her with who..? The DFB's biggest wnt issue comes with them needing to remove Silvia Neid; but from what I'm seeing, the DFB isn't in any healthy position right now, to take on the problems of it's wnt program.

    Not without it having even worse negative consequences for it's already diminished credibility, amongst the nations general football fans.
     
  20. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Not entirely true... I still believe Nüsken did more than enough to show why it's still important MVT utilize more of her genuine CM's in the double 6 roles.

    Nüsken not only making key defensive interceptions inside her own PK box, but also providing great passes towards the FW's. She was once again able to showcase positive CM attributes your simply not witnessing with a more creatively talented options like Marozsan forced into deeper mid-field positions.

    Knowing Germany can't seem to move the ball with effective speed, I do wonder though if this still an issue with MVT's general poor tactical approach, or the poor cohesiveness between players.

    And for me... it's Nüsken - Oberdorf - Magull where you could see this need to move the ball quicker benefit greatly; but only as long it it also comes with MVT accepting the requirements for her team to use specialists in defense aka real CB's and FB's.
     
  21. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    #346 Batfink, Jun 14, 2021
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    And...:unsure: I'm simply selecting a side which is focused around being BALANCED... favoring Germany's strengths, and not seeking to be another team comprised of incomprehensible positional changes to fit some weirdo USwnt-centric idea of football.

    You could easily Swap Brand for Bühl, Freigang for Popp, or Waßmuth for Däbritz. Just as long as it's focused on the team retaining it's balance/cohesiveness. It honestly doesn't matter.

    Meaning Bühl starts because of her impressive ability to always assist, or get chances to score in every match. Popp because she's the best with her back to goal, and very good at playing clever touches to put other through on goal.

    But I maintain Däbritz still the nations best right sided attacker, knowing her best wnt performances/club saw her in a wide role, peaking with her Gold medal run form at the Olympics in Brazil

    Däbritz is probably the teams best 1v1 dribbler, possessing high accuracy for shooting on either foot. Meaning get her anywhere around the PK box, she's a serious goal threat on the dribble. Something I'm not really seeing in the general play of Waßmuth, Huth, or Brand.
     
  22. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    should be the live youtube version(though in Spainsh) otherwise it's suppose to be on the german TV website called ZDF


    here would be the lineup. A dream lineup for me! though wished they played this vs France. But if MVT looses this game, the only good thing might come from it that the German Feedration might fire her ass!(as Chle lost a few days ago to Slovakia). That's if anybody's actually watching over as most eyes are focused on the men's game today vs France
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  23. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
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    Oh no, say it ain’t so, now MVT turned Jule Brand into an DM!
     
  24. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Brand switches over to left FB. The endless back passing imposed by MVT is providing little offense so far
     
  25. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    0-0 at halftime, almost no chemistry under the horrors of MVT’s Dr Frankenstein, type coaching
     

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