So, uh, century’s best.... how do you feel about the Brazilian squad’s announcement that they don’t want Copa America to be played (at least on Brazilian soil)?
Apparently it's the foreign based Brazilian players. I wouldn't be surprised if all they are looking for is vacation time.
It could also be players like Richarlison, who are a little more engaged with social issues, bringing it up. I doubt Neymar cares enough, he just wants to play. Maybe some think "yay, vacation" but I think that's a little too cynical. Though to be fair, sure, maybe some factor that into their decision - if you're saying not simply "yay, vacation" but more like "this calendar is ridiculous, this tournament is unnecessary, if they won't cancel it, we can at least speak up and one of the benefits will be the rest we need", sure.
/watch?v=wodhNEOqaCc meanwhile the VAR operators are warming up for the upcoming Copa America against their favorite target.
Well, uh, yeah, um, locoxriver.... I feel, as a fellow human being, that it's understandable. They have their reasons, and even if I were to disagree, they're entitled to act according to what they conclude is in their best self-interest. Now, if you ask me what I think - I think that these players and the team staff need to be told the facts re: how well the Brazilian authorities are handling the situation and what measures will be taken to ensure the Brazilian delegation (and the other 9 delegations) move, train, play, and operate under very strict hygienic/sanitary standards. To watch for oneself is understandable. Your own team backed out in 2001 due to death threats made against Diego Simeone and due to instability in Colombia. I also think that some South Americans may be taking this news and be writing articles online or in print with the possible objective of further criticizing the decision to have Brazil host the tournament - "wow, Brazil's Bolsonaro administration accepted hosting it but Brazil's team doesn't want to play, wow wow!" I likewise think - and feel - that it's important to get the facts as best as possible. The players have not yet as of now publicly declared they don't want to play; there are rumors, and Tite himself didn't say the team would play; rather, Tite focused only on the WCQ matches w/ Ecuador and Paraguay. The meatiest rumor I have seen is that some players were annoyed because Caboclo, CBF's top official, showed up at Granja Comary on Sunday to talk to players, and he didn't mention anything about Brazil being host, and then he goes there again a few days later after the announcement was made. The players felt disrespected, and I think and feel they're right to feel that way.
Because the vast majority of adults in NY/NJ are vaccinated, unlike Brasil. A super, highly effective vaccine I might add. I am not sure what is so difficult to understand. Vaccinated and no mask is fairly safe. Mask and unvaccinated is less safe but still helps. Neither mask nor vaccine is more risky. And encouraging unvaccinated people to not wear a mask, as Trump and Bolsonero did/do repeatedly, leads to more infections and more dead people, which in-turn is also bad for the economy (Trump people talk as if dead people is a trade off for a better economy ). And, no, I'm not saying Copa America in Brasil will be a disaster. It'll probably end without a major incident, even though infections are back on the rise in Brasil (although I don't know what region or regions are causing the rise).
So I've heard that this has nothing to do with COVID (as I expected) and is not something that is solely coming from the Brazilian players. Apparently players from different teams , who know each other from Europe, have contacted each other and are unhappy that (1) they weren't consulted at all and that (2) with very few days to prepare for a venue change they don't even know where they are going to stay and train ... while Brazil obviously has their training center in Rio putting them at an advantage. They've turned to the Brazilian players because they obviously have the most leverage and the Brazilian players are siding with them. I also think they'd be happy with having a break with the crowded calendar.
Looks like they tried to at least minimize travel when there are only 2 days off between matchdays (this refers to matchdays 2, 3 and 4). Teams that are playing on all 3 of these matchdays play 2 matches in-a-row in the same stadium, with either the matchday 2 or matchday 4 game at a different location.
"Super, highly effective" - yet there are tons of injuries, tons of complaints, social media banning any posting speaking of side effects, and the big pharma companies making the "vaccines" are fully immune from liability. And tons of those in the U.S. who got the first dose won't take the second. Right. Ah, the good ol' "if it saves one life, it's worth it" argument. Sounds nice in theory but in practice it's not that simple. And comments like yours make it sound as if it's either make money or let people die, when in fact business, profits, capitalism, economic growth save lives, while the death of these lead to lost jobs, lost wages, lost growth, and this destroys lives. You probably missed a post I wrote in response to Argentine Soccer Fan in which I linked a URL by the CDC which said the odds of contracting viruses by surface contact is 1 in 10,000. So restaurants and bars and stores (which are all essential but dictatorial bureaucrats and governors got to determine arbitrarily which were "essential") for what, exactly? You probably also missed another post I wrote earlier with an article dated 3/26/2020, co-authored by Anthony Fauci and published in The New England Journal of Medicine, which spoke of how low the fatality rate of Covid-19 is; yet weeks later Fauci said to Congress this is "10 times worse than the flu." This was also addressed to Argentine Soccer Fan, who while always a sincere and thoughtful poster, had no reply for that URL by that. Do you have a reply?
In the interest of all posters who are here for discussion of the 2021 Copa América, as Chaski reminded us, I'll stop here. To anyone who wants to talk via private messaging, we can do so there. At least one poster and I are doing so. To the rest - let us agree to disagree.
Since the topic is the tournament being held in Brazil and given a number of posters who hail from other countries have spoken about the tournament being held in Brazil and the hows and whys of why it was withdrawn from Colombia and then from Argentina ... Within Brazil, there are divergences between different camps. The administration of President Bolsonaro (which I generally support), Tite and the players, CBF or rather, Rogério Caboclo... Whatever disagreements are aired and whatever one says and whatever the media/press say, it's all far from being a genuine concern with the health of the common people. It's all ideology and politics. It's the same everywhere. If Brazil has been deemed safe enough to host WCQ matches (it's been doing so since the 2nd half of 2020 and there has been no outbreak of Covid-19 within either the Brazil NT delegation or the delegations of the Bolivian and Venezuelan NTs, who visited Brazil in October and in November 2020; and while the match was yesterday, the Ecuadorians have made no pronouncements re: outbreaks of the virus. If there are managers or players or federation leaders who are upset that the reorganization of itineraries, with flights and hotels, from either Colombia or Argentina to Brazil, coupled with the possibility of having to have delegations go there from the venue of next weeks' WCQ matches to Brazil - I can get that, and I'd even understand it if an official claim was made by the federations to CONMEBOL for CONMEBOL to help offset the costs the federations may have had to pay as a result of having to reorganize their plans. If Brazil is concluded to be sufficiently low in terms of risk for WCQ, then Brazil is likewise suffiiciently safe for the hosting of the Copa América. How can it be argued that Brazil is safe enough for Copa América but not for WCQ? And yes, money is part of it. Teams get USD 4 million just for participating. I wouldn't have opposed the tournament being called off. Let's just be frank about what's happening. All the noise is about something else OTHER than Covid-19, but Covid-19 is being used as cover.
BTW ... I've heard that CONMEBOL has already advanced part or the full participation money to the national federations. So yeah, the federations will want to play.
It was on a internet / radio show from Brazil. But I could swear that I heard something like that last year as well before it was supposed to be played in 2020.
Argentina on Sunday confirmed they would participate in the Copa America in neighboring Brazil despite concerns surrounding the coronavirus pandemic. Argentina "confirms its participation in the Copa America, as is reflected by its sportsmanship throughout history," said the country's football association (AFA) in a statement. AFA released the statement following rumors the country was going to withdraw from the competition due to the dire coronavirus situation in Brazil, where more than 470,000 people have died of Covid-19 with 17 million infected out of a 212 million population. ........ Didn't expect Argentina to boycott the competition given it is hungry to win a title ... and this could be Messi's last real chance too.
Roberto Rojas @RobertoRojas97 7h Just a week after the Copa America was to take place in Argentina & then moved to Brazil, media reports are now suggesting that the tournament will NOT be held in Brazil & that CONMEBOL will again find a different host. A huge mess just a week before the start of the tournament.
https://sports.yahoo.com/brazil-covid-inquiry-staffers-copa-195402740.html BRASILIA (Reuters) - Staff of a Senate commission investigating the handling of the coronavirus pandemic in Brazil said on Sunday that the Copa America soccer tournament should not be held in the midst of the world's second deadliest outbreak and must be postponed.
He got it wrong as most of these people did trying to tie it solely to COVID. Most players mainly wanted a break and since the tournament is being played in sub-optimal / last minute conditions, they don't see a point in having it. The've been playing in dangerous COVID conditions in Europe all throughout last year. The only difference is that the clubs pay their salary, the NTs only play them an appearance fee so you may feel compelled to say that club football makes sense while NT really doesn't.
Why wasn’t Chile considered,out of all SA countries ,they’re the ones with most vaccinated population?
IMO saying what Trump and Balsonaro said during the beginning of the pandemic counts,don’t expect everyone to believe you ,when you’re saying stuff to satisfy your core audience,regardless of whether his administration did follow some guidelines.from what I remember his administration was out, out bidding every single country and state when medical supplies were in short supply and they in turn made it hard for blue states to properly restock these supplies.lot of corrupt people made out like bandits.no,it may not make them murderers,but you question what segment of the population they really care about ,where it should not be like that.my 2 cents.
Personally I'm looking forward to this tournament. I hope Peru make a run again but I'm not as bothered as I was in 2019 to win it, as with a lack of friendlies this is the best window to try something new. Gallese Lora - Abram - Santamaria - Lagos Tapia - Aquino - Tavara Carrillo - Lapadula - Iberico That's what I hope to see. Definitely wishful thinking from me though. Regardless of what happens here, I expect our Copa America group form to continue. No group eliminations since 1995, I think we should continue that. Especially with Ecuador in the group who seem to be the total opposite.