Mikel Arteta is the new Arsenal Manager

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  1. NorthBank

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    Tim Stillman who is more cogent than otherwise, made a good point on today's Arsecast:

    One of Arteta's mistakes was to not hire an older, more experienced coach (or two?) below him. That was probably down to his pride, hubris & naivety.

    For me that kind of summed up the risk that the club took by hiring a noob, not to mention promoting him from HC to Manager.

    A risk that, after 18 months, has now reared its ugly head.
     
  2. The Foo Fighter

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    Some of the can be fixed. Arteta can decide that he needs different coaches around him and do it this summer. Edu could even make that decision. Will they? That's another story all together.
     
  3. The Jitty Slitter

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    I still you are correct on the second point - we wanted Arteta as a trainer. Elevating him to manager was dumb.

    The vaccuum in the front office is a major issue.
     
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  4. gunner7

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    From what I’ve seen this season, I don’t trust Arteta as the manager or someone to be in-charge of rebuild. We got worst this season. We’ve been too inconsistent and incoherent. The fact that he is still picking Willan at this point in the season means he should be sack immediately.

    But anyways I’m checking out for the season. The birth of my first child and Euros this summer is a good distraction for the pain of being an arsenal fan. Hopefully we’ll be better next season. Can’t dwell on things I can’t control.
     
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  5. The Jitty Slitter

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    Congrats!
     
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  6. thebigman

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    The same
    Mess will occur over and over till the club overhauls itself

    it never will under this leadership. I have no hope for the club and honestly, I don’t really like the club anymore and I’ve been missing all the games

    we are a shell of our former selves post Highbury

    a really poor, corporate piece of shit
     
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  7. mebeSajid

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    I'll rephrase, because you do raise a good point: you do need to consider your coaches opinions on players.

    However, transfer policy should be independent of the coaches (and what Liverpool do with Michael Edwards is a good example of that).
     
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  8. daedalus

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    i assume that will be the role of the fella that came over from the FA, no?
     
  9. daedalus

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    because that's two different tasks. same as why most clubs have general manager vs head coach. klopp does not have final say over personnel, that's edwards.

    a coach sees what helps him win now. or at least soon. the coach might, hypothetically speaking, see an aging winger being a contributor because he's seen his qualities. and that is all his concern is.

    the general manager has to look further than that and see further down the line. they need enough awareness to know that giving said hypothetical winger 3 years when their wheels will likely fall off in 2 (or less!) is dumb.
     
  10. mebeSajid

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    All true. I’m genuinely curious about why Monchi turned down the Arsenal job.
     
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  11. The Jitty Slitter

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    Probably because it was never seriously offered to him
     
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  12. NorthBank

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    Because He’s a smart guy and saw the writing on the wall with our club, management, trajectory?

    Or because he had a previous relationship with Spanish club which he favored instead?

    I have no particular inside knowledge, I’m just going from vague recollection and conjecture. ;)
     
  13. NorthBank

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    That’s completely reasonable. Enjoy early childhood development... it’s a trip!
     
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  14. daedalus

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    my guess would be that he saw it would be a power struggle with sanllehi and chose to pass? sort of like mislintat.
     
  15. The Jitty Slitter

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    That's what i mean.

    Just because we spoke to him doesn't mean there was any serious attempt to get him

    I doubt Raul wanted someone who would challenge his power
     
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  16. daedalus

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    dig it. the way i see it going down would be: the kroenkes - the younger? - being familiar with the name on world stage, asked for a conversation but then foolishly delegated it - like they did everything else - to sanllehi, assuming that he would do the best for the club. sanllehi then lets monchi knows that, even if he comes, he'd just be a puppet. conversations end.
     
  17. The Jitty Slitter

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    That's my guess

    Don Raul is just a crook. He wouldn't want to give any real power to Monchi
     
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  18. daedalus

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    you can't play funny money footsies with joorabchian if monchi is in the way and doing . . . . football things.
     
  19. DaPrince84

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    Congrats on the baby
     
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  20. mebeSajid

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  21. The Jitty Slitter

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    So basically a diabolical start to the season

    There is an element of cherry picking to this of course
     
  22. mebeSajid

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    We knew it at the time too: it was a complete inability to attack, based on the ridiculous insistence on playing Willian and freezing out Ozil.
     
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  23. bandwagongooner

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    Cherry picked as hell.

    Between Christmas Day and the end of January they got 17 points. So that's almost half in 5 weeks. Also, picking that cut-off date includes 2 games (and 2 wins) against the 19th place team, the 15th place team, and the 17th place team.

    So if you cherry pick to double count the teams at the bottom of the table we look really good. What a terrible use of data.
     
  24. mebeSajid

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    Well, we've got three games left, and that'll include a game against Chelsea. But the 38 points from 21 games, over a whole season comes out to 68 points, and that's not terrible?

    To the extent that you think the data is cherry picked, you're not wrong, but you can only use the data you have, and Christmas is a good cut off because that's when ESR started playing.
     
  25. bandwagongooner

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    But it's 38 points from 21 games where the 3 extra games are against some of the worst teams in the league. If the doubled up games were against good teams we could be looking at 29 points in 21 games, which is much much worse.

    Christmas is only a good cut-off if you want Arsenal to look better than they were. There are much better ways to cut up the results to get a true reflection of how the team has played.
     

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