Europe Super League?

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by STR1, Dec 6, 2019.

  1. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Awww, that's cute how they think of themselves as a "club." I love how they conveniently forget that the Cosmos were founded as a franchise member of the original NASL.....
     
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  2. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
  3. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Here is the thing about the Middle Eastern owners. They are not primarily in it for the money (they got plenty of that). They are in it for the image. It's not that surprising that PSG never joined and Man City was the first to drop out.
     
  4. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    #329 Nico Limmat, Apr 23, 2021
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2021
    A basketball "Intercontinental Cup" would capture the imagination of anyone remotely interested in European basketball. Just like the soccer version was embraced in South America. It would be the highlight of the club season. The EuroLeague would be better because of it (just like the Concacaf Champions League - in spite of all complaints - has improved tremendously because of the Club World Cup since the 90's).

    The NBA already plays exhibition games against the Beijing Ducks. Would it be that terrible to formalize an annual "Intercontinental Cup" or global "Final Four" and give international teams a platform to present themselves? For their fanbase to feel "connected" to a truly global sport? Isn't that what attracted many American soccer fans to the sport? The feeling of belonging to something bigger than just a domestic or regional structure?

    Again, I would argue the NBA only puts a tiny fraction of its reputation on the line by agreeing so such a competition. All you have to do is formalize something that already exists (international exhibitions), make some money as a result (television rights would have some value in international markets) and grow the sport in the process. It's an all but negligible "sacrifice" really.

    Same for hockey. Same for baseball.
     
  5. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #330 Bill Archer, Apr 23, 2021
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2021
    I've said many times that the whole reason for the Kelmsley/Byrne/Perry resurrection of the Cosmos was to become part of an envisioned world super league.

    Those guys, and Sela Sports, had no interest in MLS except as a means to an end. And when such a league came into being, the Cosmos would be the US entry and make a killing.

    They were hunting big game, and in theory if it worked they would have been sitting on top of soccer in America.

    It was always a fantasy and when it became clear that it wasn't going to happen they ran for the door.

    It's not really so ridiculous as a concept. Whats ridiculous is that after all these years of flopping around in the basement of American soccer some Cosmos fans still think it was a possibility.

    And of course they take the opportunity to lecture everyone on pro/rel, convinced that all we need is a little more scolding about the correct way to run a soccer league before we finally come to our senses. Adorable.

    What they're ignoring is that the ESL group saw that a closed league was the right way to go. European execs have said for years now that they envy the US model as being far more sustainable going forward and they wish it was possible over there.

    But its not, and they've just shown why.
     
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  6. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    Not me. I got in to soccer because of the actual play on the field, not because of a global structure mandated to run a certain way.
     
  7. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  8. PTFC in KCMO

    PTFC in KCMO Member+

    Aug 12, 2012
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    I love the Bordeaux mayor blaming the American company for this because they didn’t want to waste more money on a failed project.

    European football: win at all cost, even if you have to literally destroy the club.

    Edit:

    the way things are going, MLS may end up being a super league because they will be the only ones left standing.
     
  9. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  10. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #335 Yoshou, Apr 23, 2021
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2021
    Word out of Russia is that Abramovich got a phone call from Putin telling him it was not in Russia's best interest for Abramovich to join the Super League. Whether that is true or not, who knows, but if it is, it tells you how bad ESL was for Putin to be on the good side.
     
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  11. Doogh

    Doogh Member+

    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


     
  12. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    I don't think you're in tune with the mindset of an nba fan... Most of them don't even realize there's real basketball outside the United States. Whenever the nba players a foreign team there is tons of "why are we playing scrubs" type of reaction. And to compound the problem, the nba regular season + playoffs are soooooo long, the only place you can shove this new tournament is nba preseason. The problem with that is NBA teams want to use preseason to evaluate their roster. If they have important games to play, they can't really rotate their roster the way they would in an exhibition game. We saw this back when nba teams competed in the McDonald's championship. They always won, but it required more of an effort than they felt it was worth, given that it's preseason.
     
  13. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll admit that the globalization of soccer is one of the things that's appealing to me. The idea that wherever I go I can likely find a professional game being played and its a common language, so to speak, between me and the places I visit. But I don't give a damn if that pro game is being played with playoffs, pro/rel, or just local pride on the line. Its all the same game.
     
  14. As a casual visiting football fan you're entitled to that attitude and hopefully you get entertained when you visit a game, no matter what level it is.
    In the Netherlands however the whole pyramid system from amateurs up to the top clubs in the Eredivisie is the key to our existence as a national team football power. That fine tuned system would be destroyed if the greedy ones could gobble up all the money at the cost of the national footballing communities.
    In the end the Orange Squad as a worl power would be dead, and with that entertaining and thrilling confrontations with big countries.
     
  15. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Are you sure the Orange Squad as a world power isn't already dead? ;) You did hire a failed MLS coach to guide you after all...
     
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  16. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You say this, but most of Netherland's national team players come from the academies for Eredivisie clubs, particularly Ajax, Feyenoord, PSV, and AZ.
     
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  17. #343 feyenoordsoccerfan, Apr 23, 2021
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2021
    Sorry, dude. You're wrong by following the lazy foreign sport press reports.
    Our superstars for the most came from lower club's academies.
    Virgil van Dijk......Willem II
    Frenky de Jong...Willem II
    Memphis Depay..Sparta Rotterdam
    Arjen Robben......FC Groningen
    van Persie...........Excelsior Rotterdam

    etc.

    The lazy foreign press stop researching when a player is at Ajax, PSV, Feyenoord and just suppose they're from their academies. Many of the "academy players" of the big 3 are in fact late aquired talents, more or less robbed from the lower clubs academies.

    Anyway, they all start out at amateur clubs that do the first developing and keeping an eye on talents for the clubs with academies they have a relation with.
    Our development starts at the bottom of the pyramid at amateur level.
    That system is at threat by the assholes of the ESL.

    If it was only due to our top clubs academies every country could copy that.
    The point with our system is that it's so uniquely Dutch, it isnot possible to copy, unless you take about three or four decades to do it.
    That whole intricate network from amateurs to the top pro level is what makes it possible to spot almost every talent out there and is the reason why we as a small country are able to be among the big countries.
     
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  18. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Yeah the highly advanced college athletics programs here in the States is how the NBA, NHL, MLB, and NFL are able to keep getting top talent. Unfortunately soccer requires the player to start playing at high level at an age lower than 18, so college can't help much with that.
     
  19. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004

    Something tells me they don't like him too much...
     
  20. PTFC in KCMO

    PTFC in KCMO Member+

    Aug 12, 2012
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    If there is one thing i know about this whole ESL thing, it is that Stan Kronke doesn’t give a flying fvck what Arsenal fans think of him or what he does.

    they are nothing more than dollar bills to him. Just like everything else he owns.
     
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  21. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    Yeah, I’m down with this. A good thing about soccer’s global nature is there’s so much of it to enjoy. But for any sport I stop short of buying into the whole “grow the game” thing as if it’s a moral mandate.
     
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  22. To piss them off he could move Arsenal to London, Ohio
     
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  23. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So, what you're saying is that the Dutch system would work just fine without pro/rel. ;) A closed system does not mean that a club can only have one academy, or that other academies can't feed into the top clubs..
     
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  24. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    JFC Commisso
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergei...european-super-league-failed/?sh=d18b114483dc

    BUT LOL this dude singing this tune now though:
    “The good thing about American soccer is the salary cap, which leads to team parity,” he says, pointing to the growing discrepancy in wage budgets for smaller teams like Fiorentina and giant rivals such as Juventus.

    “Something has to be done about this crazy overspending that has gone on for too many years,” Commisso argues.
     
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