2020 Tokyo Olympics - general discussion

Discussion in '2020 Women's Olympics Soccer' started by shlj, May 3, 2018.

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  1. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
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    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Between NZ, CAN, and AUS, I would actually probably bet on AUS. AUS is already the highest-ranked of those three squads, (and also above BRA for that matter, though BRA will rise after the SBC,) and CAN's recent form is not great. Granted, AUS (and NZL) could have rust issues, but that's what the group stage is for.
     
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  2. Hexa

    Hexa Member+

    May 21, 2010
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    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    So AUS could be the dark-horse in this Olympic.
     
  3. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    That's not what I said at all :ROFLMAO:

    My point was you didn't include the fifth-best team at the tournament in your top eight. Australia is most definitely a pretty well-known quantity, not a "dark horse": they've made three consecutive AFC finals, and have been Olympic quarter-finalists the last two times they qualified. I don't think anyone treats Australia like an easy match.

    If anything, your original list treated NZ like a dark horse: they're usually only rated around 20th in the world, while there are eight teams in the tournament from the world top ten (and both China and Korea are higher-ranked than NZ as well).
     
  4. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    I think Australia have not played a game for more than a year now, they will be really rusty come the Olympics. Same can be said of Team GB who will have only one official friendly before flying to Tokyo.
     
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  5. Hexa

    Hexa Member+

    May 21, 2010
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    Sorry, I edited the list several times. I originally had a bunch of European teams that isn't even going to the Olympics (France, Spain, Germany), and I had NZ instead of AUS.

    I was making a conclusion based in your post. You didn't say AUS was the DH. But if AUS is the best of the second-tiers I think they could be (if they are in form) this Olympics DH. No? I wasn't trying to be disingenuous.
     
  6. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
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    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Ah, maybe it's just a disagreement on what "dark horse" means. Usually I've heard it to mean someone who's showing talent but has, until recently, been a relative unknown (hence the "dark" part of "dark horse") and thus a run of victories comes as a surprise to many people. AUS is definitely not unknown, so that's one way they wouldn't qualify as a dark horse. Also, even though AUS has yet to truly find their "clutch gear", i.e. winning when it matters, they've shown that they play at or near top-tier level fairly consistently for the past five years; that is, while AUS finding that clutch would be new for them, it would not be very surprising, at least in my opinion.

    The bad thing about the Olympics is that the smaller playing field makes it hard to have any "dark horses"... It's very easy for most of the world top ten to qualify, and the remaining spots of the twelve are then usually minnows from CAF and C'BOL. You really lose that middle tier of nations that would otherwise house the up-and-coming teams that have the potential to do well with a surprise run but don't have a record of doing well yet. NZ and maybe Chile would be the potential dark horse candidates of this OG, but neither of them are showing much promise at the moment either.
     
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  7. Hexa

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    May 21, 2010
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    I see, we have slight different definition of Dark Horse. For me it is a team (any team) outside the top-contenders (not expected to reach the last stages) that could have a surprising run and reach the semi or even win it all. I always like dark-horses, they keep things interesting and top team in their toes.
     
  8. Lechus7

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    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
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  9. Klingo3034

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    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    Australia needs to step up because afterwards they have their World Cup coming up.
     
  10. Hexa

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    May 21, 2010
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  11. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
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    Saint Louis Athletica
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    Spain
    #161 SiberianThunderT, Feb 25, 2021
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    Interesting report... I'm sure all the numbers are good on their own, but considering it's an Australian report that suggest Australia is the worst in almost every category and needs to invest in order to compete, I would suspect that the data chosen to present was probably chosen to make the case for investment the best... ;)

    Besides, WWC host countries always go out in the QFs, so no pressure to make the top four or anything like that! :ROFLMAO:
     
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  12. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
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    Spain
    As per the "dark horse" thing, I think sometimes you just don't have a dark horse, or at least you don't have one you can point to in a predictive sense. If no low-ranked nations have a strong hint of maybe being able to overperform their ranking, then you don't really have a case. So I wouldn't say Zambia is a good dark horse in this OG, since I don't see them making it out of any group, much less win a knockout match.

    China's ranking isn't that far above NZ - I think closer to NZ than to the top ten, IIRC - so I would maybe view China as another potential dark horse, but that's starting to border on somewhat expected. And since they're going to be rusty like AUS, GB, etc. will be, I don't see them as having any particular signs right now of overperforming their ranking.
     
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  13. toad455

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    Nov 28, 2005
    If we're to seed/draw everyone on the most recent rankings, the groups would be(with Japan in Group A).

    Group A:
    Japan
    Great Britain
    Brazil
    Zambia

    Group B:
    USA
    Sweden
    Australia
    Chile/Cameroon

    Group C:
    Netherlands
    Canada
    South Korea/China
    New Zealand
     
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  14. Hexa

    Hexa Member+

    May 21, 2010
    Club:
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    Base on these groups,

    Group A
    1) Japan
    2) Brazil

    Group B (group of death)
    1) USA
    2) ? too close to call for me between Sweden and Australia

    Group C
    1) Netherland
    2) Canada


    US is the team to beat. Maybe Japan playing home could give them some sort of test.
     
  15. toad455

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    Nov 28, 2005
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    Nov 28, 2005
     
  17. Lechus7

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    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
    #167 Lechus7, Mar 24, 2021
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  18. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
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    Only four countries will be represented in both men's and women's soccer at 2021 Olympics: host Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Brazil.
     
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  19. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    Say what?
     
  20. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    Probably means that those countries will have both their men's and women's teams in the tournaments. Don't think the football tournaments are being reduced to just 4 teams.
     
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  21. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    South Korea`s men are qualified and the women are in the play-off against China.
    It means that USA and Canada have lost in the men`s qualifying tournament.
    This will happen on Thursday.:laugh:
     
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  22. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thank you, please keep up updated!!!
     
  23. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    March 3 (Reuters) - The South Korean women’s team will play their Olympic qualifying games against China on April 8 and 13 in Goyang and Suzhou after multiple postponements due to the COVID-19 pandemic, the Asian Football Confederation (AFC) said on Wednesday.
     
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  24. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    I'll change my draw predictions:

    GROUP A
    Japan
    Great Britian
    Canada
    Zambia

    GROUP B
    USA
    Sweden
    Australia
    Chile

    GROUP C
    Netherlands
    Brazil
    China
    New Zealand
     
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