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Discussion in 'Soccer History' started by Excape Goat, Oct 17, 2007.

  1. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #576 Excape Goat, Mar 2, 2021
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    Victor Valdes, Gerard Pique, Carles Puyol, Joan Capdevila, Cesc Fabregas, Sergio Busquets and Xavi were from Catalonia.
     
  2. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Paul Pogba, Presnel Kimpembe, Benjamin Mendy and N'Golo Kanté were Black. Mbappe were of Cameroonian and Algerian background. Steven Nzonzi was of mixed race. Areola's parents are Filipino. That reflected Paris as a melting pot.

    From this link below, I learned that:

    https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2018/06/11/world-cup-2018-france-squad-33-european/

    Racial stock of the France-2018 World Cup team:
    — 33% White-European ancestry [7.6/23.0]
    —– of which six players (26%) are fully White-European;
    — 52% Subsaharan African ancestry [11.9/23.0], origins across Francophone Africa
    — 11% North African ancestry [2.5/23.0], all from Algeria and Morocco
    — 4% Southeast Asian ancestry [1.0/23.0], from the Philippines

    — Seven Muslims (30%) (7.5, 33%, if counting Mbappe, a half-Muslim of unclear affiliation, as 0.5); Muslim players outnumber fully-White-Christian players (six players).

    France national team’s White ancestry (see individual player entries)
    — 23% French ancestry for team [69% of White component incl. mixed players]
    — 9% Other ‘Latin’ countries (Spain, Portugal, Italy) [28% of White component]
    — 1%+ Germany [Griezmann]
    —— Lloris: 0.5 Spain/Catalonia, 0.5 France
    —— Pavard: 1.0 France
    —— Hernandez: 0.5[?] Spain, 0.5[?] France
    —— Giroud: 0.5 Italy, 0.5 France
    —— Griezmann: circa 0.25 German, circa 0.25 French, 0.5 Portugal
    —— Thauvin: 1.0 French
    —— Varane [mixed-race player]: probably around 0.6 French
    —— Tolisso [mixed-race player]: 0.5 French
    —— Nzonzi [mixed-race player]: 0.5 French

    Note: Taking the six full-White players only, French ancestry is 62.5% of these six. The French-ancestral component among the full-White players comprises only 16% of the French ‘national’ team (62.5%*[6/23]).
     
  3. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    An extreme case that I do not know if you have commented is the one that occurred in the 1976 Eurocup when Czechoslovakia won the final against West Germany on penalties with the historic goal of Panenka.

    Czechoslovakia won that cup and with the division of that country in Slovakia and the Czech Republic, the title officially belonged to the Czech federation, but in that squad 15 of the 22 players were Slovaks and only 7 Czechs. Of the 13 players who played in that final, 8 were Slovaks and 7 of the 11 starting players.

    A very curious case.
     
  4. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    My mistake.
    So seven total in the squad with six contributing significantly to the success.

    As a side note, two other Spain 2010 World Cup members - Pepe Reina (2000) and Andrés Iniesta (2004) each featured once for Catalonia even though neither would have definitely qualified to do so under standard FIFA eligibility criteria. At the time of their selections both had lengthy associations with the region playing in the youth academy of FC Barcelona.
     
  5. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    "La quinta del Buitre"

    This group of Real Madrid players from the 80-90s consisted of Butragueño, Míchel, Sanchis, Martín Vazquez and Pardeza.

    Of all of them, the two that achieved the greatest international recognition for their soccer level were Butragueño and Míchel, but curiously they are the ones with the worst results in European competitions in terms of titles and finals:

    - Michel and Butragueño won the Uefa Cups in 1985 and 1986 (Real Madrid): 2 titles and 2 finals.

    - Pardeza won the 1985 UEFA Cup (Real Madrid), the 1995 Cup Winners' Cup (Real Zaragoza) and played the final of the 1995 European Super Cup (Real Zaragoza): 2 titles and 3 finals.

    - Sanchis won the UEFA Cups in 1985 and 1986 (Real Madrid) and the Champions League in 1998 and 2000 (Real Madrid): 4 titles and 4 finals.

    - Martín Vázquez won the 1985 and 1986 Uefa Cups (Real Madrid) and was runner-up in the 1992 Uefa Cup (Torino): 2 titles and 3 finals. And here's a little controversy:

    Is Martín Vázquez Champion of the Champions League? This player played half a season at Olimpique Marseille in 1993 when they were proclaimed Champions of the Champions League but Martín Vázquez left the team before the end of the season (he returned to Real Madrid). The truth is that in that Champions League Martín Vázquez scored 2 goals in the first round against Glentoran.

    In an interview with the player a year ago, he said that he does not really know if he is officially considered a European champion or not, but that he does not feel like a champion of that tournament (and I think I remember that all this controversy comes because on one occasion UEFA considered Seedorf champion of the Champions of the year 2000 with Real Madrid when this player left the team in the middle of the season and went to Milan).

    On the other hand speaking of NationalTeam we can indicate that Butragueño was runner-up in the 1984 Euro Cup with Spain leaving Míchel alone as the "worst player" of "La Quinta del Buitre" in terms of finals and titles in european competition (clubes and National Teams).
     
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  6. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    FC Saarbrucken even played the first European Cup in history in the 1955/56 season.

    In the first round they faced Milan and in the first leg played in they managed to win 3-4.

    In the second leg they were classified until minute 75 where an own goal from Puff tie the play off and in the final 15 minutes Milan scored two more goals to reach the final 1-4. Later that Milan would reach the semifinals where they lost to Real Madrid.
     
  7. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    In those years, Bayern got some spectacular goals like the 9-1 that they got in 1980 in Munich against Boskov's Real Madrid.

    Real Madrid
    was in the preseason and at halftime they were already losing 7-0.

    A few weeks later they played at the Bernabeu and the result was 1-1, winning Bayern on penalties.

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  8. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    As that year, Real Madrid won the League and the Cup, Castilla represented Spain in the Cup Winner's Cup despite playing in the Second Division.

    The curious thing is that in the first round they faced West Ham who was also in the English Second Division.

    In the first leg, Castilla won 3-1 but in the second leg West Ham forced extra time and ended up winning 5-1, thus ending the European adventure of Castilla, which is the only subsidiary team that has played in Europe.
     
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  9. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    Another curiosity:

    Real Madrid and Bayern Munich have met 26 times in the European Cup / Champions League:

    - 2 in the group stage (2000)
    - 4 in 1/8 final (2004 and 2007)
    - 6 in 1/4 final (1988, 2002 and 2017)
    - 14 in 1/2 final (1976, 1987, 2000, 2001, 2012, 2014 and 2018).

    Despite being the most repeated duel in history between European clubs, they have never met in a final, despite having played between the two 27 finals (41.5% of the total finals of the top European competition).

    On the opposite side is the confrontation between Liverpool and Flamengo who have met twice in the final of the Intercontinental Cup / Club World Cup despite the fact that Flamengo have only won two Libertadores Cups in their entire history.

    The odds of Real Madrid and Bayern Munich meeting in a Champions League Final are much higher than that of two teams from Europe and America meeting in a Club World Cup Final (or Intercontinental Cup), however fate has wanted that Flamengo-Liverpool have already been played twice and Real Madrid and Bayern have never seen each other in a final.

    This is football ......
     
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  10. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    When the tie-breakers were resolved through a tiebreaker match and not through penalties, there was a team in the old European Cup that was seen up to 3 times in this situation (the team with the most in all of history), I mean Real Madrid de Di Stéfano.

    The first time was in the 1956/57 season in 1/8 final. In the first leg, Real Madrid beat Rapid Vienna 4-2 but in the second leg the Austrians won 3-1 (they went on to win 3-0 in the first half) with a hat trick from the great Ernst Happel. In the tiebreaker game played in Madrid, Real Madrid won 2-0 and went to 1/4 final in a year in which they would end up winning their second European Cup.

    The second time was in the semifinals of the 1958/59 season and the rival was the city's neighbor, Atlético Madrid. In the first leg, Real won 2-1 but Atlético won the return 1-0. It was necessary to play a tiebreaker game in Zaragoza and there Real Madrid would get a place in the final (4th consecutive victory in the European Cup) by defeating Atlético de Madrid 2-1 with goals from Di Stéfano and Puskas.

    The third and last time this happened was in the 1/4 final of the 1961/62 season. The rival was Juventus. in the first leg played in Turin, Real Madrid won with a goal by Di stéfano but in the second leg Juventus won by the same result with a goal by Sivori (that was the first defeat at home for Real Madrid in official international competition after 22 matches -19 of European Cup, 2 of Latin Cup and 1 of Intercontinental Cup- without knowing defeat). The tiebreaker was played in Paris and there the Spanish won 3-1 going to the semifinals. That year the team would reach the final of the European Cup again but would lose 3-5 to Eusebio's Benfica.

    That is, three tiebreaks and three victories for Real Madrid.

    Outside of the European Cup, Real Madrid resorted to a tiebreak match in the defunct Cup Winners' Cup in the 1971 final that faced Chelsea. In the first game, both teams drew at 1 but in the tie-breaker, Chelsea won 2-1, proclaiming themselves Cup Winners' Cup champions, something that Real Madrid would never achieve.
     
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  11. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    I know Happel as a WM centerback, was he playing forward that match?
     
  12. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    He did not play as a forward, he scored two golas of free-kicks (Happel seems to have had a very powerful shot) and another penalty goal.

    Review that Real Madrid played from minute 7 with 10 players due to Oliva's injury.
     
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  13. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Maybe, Happel could be the first defensive player to score a Hat-trick?
     
  14. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    Celta Vigo is a Spanish club that has never won an important title (they won an Intertoto Cup but that title from my point of view is a minor title, it's like winning the second division of your country).

    But this team from the 1997/98 season to the 2002/03 played a very spectacular game, many times destroying their rivals (some of them the best teams in Spain and Europe).

    Very high-level players such as Mostovoi, Karpin, Mazinho, Makelele or Gustavo López played in that team.

    From the 1997/98 season to the 2002/03 season in La Liga, he ranked 6th, 5th, 7th, 6th, 5th and 4th. In the Uefa Cup, he reached the ¼ finals for three consecutive seasons (1999-00-01) and in the Spanish Cup he was runner-up in 2001 when he lost the final 1-3 against Real Zaragoza.

    But beyond the results, what dazzled was his game, when the team was at 100% it was almost unstoppable. His problem was the lack of regularity since he alternated great performances with others much less brilliant.

    For example, in those 6 seasons he faced FC Barcelona 14 times (12 in the league and 2 in the cup) winning 5, drawing 7 and losing only 2. Against Real Madrid he faced 12 times winning 5, drawing 2 and losing 5. That is, this team played face to face with the two greats of Spanish football.

    Along the way they got some scandalous goals like the 3-0 to Real Madrid in the 2000/01 League or the historic 5-1 of the 1998/99 season also in the league and also to Real Madrid.



    But the most important thing I think is the following; in the 1999/00 Uefa Cup the team reached a ¼ final after previously eliminating Benfica in the third round and Juventus in the fourth round.

    The striking thing is not that they eliminated them but the results:

    - They defeated Benfica ¡¡¡7-0!!! in the first leg in which it is the biggest defeat of the Portuguese team in European competitions in its history.



    - Juventus was defeated in the second leg 4-0, a result that may not seem very spectacular but this is the ¡¡second biggest defeat!! Juventus in international competitions in their entire history (the biggest was a 7-0 against Wierner Sport Club in the preliminary round of the 1959 European Cup, they also received a 4-0 in the semifinals of the 1932 Mitropa Cup against Slavia Prague).



    In short, we are talking about a great team that did not see their fantastic game awarded with titles.
     
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  15. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    The first one not since researching on the internet I have seen that Josep Seguer, a FC Barcelona player from 1943 to 1957, played in the position of lateral defense and in 1949 he scored 4 goals in the Spanish League in a FC Barcelona 7-0 Sevilla FC.

    I think this player was an extraordinary "Carrilero" (as we call him in Spanish), we can say that a kind of Roberto Carlos or Gordillo, players who despite playing defense went up a lot on the attack on their side.

    In the thread that I opened about the Latin Cup we can read that Seguer scored the first goal in the history of the competition and also the first goal in the 1949 final that FC Barcelona ended up winning against Sporting Lisbon.

    Therefore, it seems that Seguer could be a player with a clear offensive vocation despite being a defender (in www.bdfutbol.com ceo who scored 47 goals in 295 official matches).

    What I already do not know is whether Seguer in that game of the 4 goals played as a lateral defense or winger (which I suppose could be a possibility), what I can affirm is that the 4 goals were in play (no free-kick or penalty).

    I do not know if there is a defense that has scored 3 or more goals before Seguer, although I suppose that there will be a defense that has achieved it.
     
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  16. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    #591 msioux75, Mar 5, 2021
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    It seems that Seguer started his career as an Inside Forward.
    [​IMG]

    That match in webdelcule (I added the "-" )
     
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  17. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    That fits in with his scoring record, in his first 3 seasons he plays only 11 games and scores 3 goals, in the next 4 seasons he plays 98 games and scores another 40 goals because these first 7 seasons with 43 goals in 109 games must be his seasons of winger or forward. From there in his last 9 seasons he plays 194 games, scoring only 4 goals.

    Therefore, it seems that the change occurred in the 1950/51 season since just that year he only scored two goals and it was surely when he delayed his position to the defense.
     
  18. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    Other possible defenders to score a hat-trick before Ernst Happel could include:

    - Francois Ludo: October 12, 1952 in the French league in a Lens 5-0 Rennes
    - Robert Lemaitre: January 22, 1956 in the French ligra in a Lille 6-1 RC Paris

    These players are classified as defenders but I don't know if they played in another position in the game in question. Because of their scoring mark, it does seem that they spent most of their careers as defenders.
     
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  19. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
  20. wm442433

    wm442433 Member+

    Sep 19, 2014
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    @Buyo @msioux75

    Ludo was a half - of the "deep-lying playmaker" type. Initially an inside I guess but he was slow. For the same reason : slow, and rather technical, perhaps he played at CH occasionaly or by the end of his career but I don't know. Just, I never came across teamsheets with him playing at the back. Only HB from memories, possibly IF too.

    As for Lemaître (2 caps "only" but the first one as a captain vs Luxembourg while France lined up sort of an U-23 team) he was a LB. Then, it's quite the same, I've never came across other positions for him but possibly he played at HB or even LW, why not? Just a supposition, dunno. Dunno about these matches in particular (maybe an article can be found for them, especially Lille-RCP).

    In short, in their respective games, there's higher chance that Ludo played at HB and that Lemaître played at LB. No wait... in '52, at RC Lens, maybe Ludo was still playing the most often in the forward line. Seems more like he did the change since his transfert to Monaco. So yeah, my bet is forward (more likely at inside or else) for Ludo, in this match. Almost 100% sure he was not playing in defense (but "almost" is not "completely" then, ofc). And for Lemaître, I'd say it's 75% probable :)D) that he played in defense in this match.
     
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  21. wm442433

    wm442433 Member+

    Sep 19, 2014
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    #596 wm442433, Mar 5, 2021
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    I mixed up things between Ludo and Theo, sorry (so it was Theo who often was described as technical but slow). As for Ludo, yeah, he possibly played at the back in this match. Or as a Half. Or as a RW too I see now in this profile that doesn't mention "defender" as one of the positions he played at, contrarily to his wiki who, I think, are right too.

    But same, over his whole career, I think Ludo was mainly a half. The more technical half of the two in the pair of halves (the other being the 4th defender). While Théo was playmaker between the halves and the proper forward line at Monaco when they played together again at Monaco. At Lens, Theo must have been IF (so maybe a tad higher on the pitch than at Monaco, in theory, while beiing not peculiarly a scorer already) and Ludo yeah, could be really at the back or even RW in addition to half-back.

    @Buyo @msioux75
     
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  22. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    #597 Buyo, Mar 6, 2021
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    THE MOST DISAPPOINTING SEASON IN THE HISTORY OF REAL MADRID

    In the 1982/83 season Real Madrid played 5 finals (if we count the last league match as the final) and surprisingly lost them all. The development of that season was as follows:

    Small details in very specific games can determine whether a team's season is rated as excellent or as a disaster.

    Well, if you look at the 1982/83 season of Real Madrid you will see that the number of titles won was zero. However, if one goes into detail, one sees that he was very close to winning the five titles he opted for that year. Being Real Madrid that was a failure but it seems incredible that they did not lift any title that season. Go for it.

    The first title at stake was the Spanish Super Cup. In those days the competition was played during the season in two games and not in the preseason as it happened until 2 years ago or by the Final Four system established two seasons ago. Real Madrid agreed to play the final as Spanish Cup champion and Real Sociedad as League champion. By the way, that was the first edition of the Super Cup.

    The first leg was played at the Santiago Bernabéu on 13th October of 1982. The "whites" played at a disadvantage from the 22nd minute of the clash due to the expulsion of Juanito and despite not playing a good game they went ahead in the 44th minute through the mediation of Metgod, a goal that ultimately gave the "madridistas" the victory and advantage for the second leg (1-0).

    The return was played in Atocha on December 28, 1982, April Fools' Day in Spain and very premonitory of the season that awaited the Chamartín team.

    Again in the 22nd minute, Real Madrid is left with one less player, Juan José is sent off for giving López Ufarte a header. From that moment on, the "whites" locked themselves in and Real Sociedad pressed, managing to equalize the tie in the 53rd minute. In the 71st minute, the second expulsion for Real Madrid miraculously managed to reach extra time with only 9 players.

    Already in extra time, in minutes 92 and 102, Real Sociedad sentenced the title and to make matters worse, Salguero scored the final 4-0 with his own goal.

    First title and first loss in extra time.

    Chronologically the second title at stake is the League. On May 1, 1983, Real Madrid arrived as the leader of the championship and depending on itself to be champion. He has led the championship in 24 of the 33 rounds played to date and is worth a draw to be champion. Play in Valencia, a team that is practically descending since it needs to win and that a combination of results be given in other games to save the category (in addition to winning Real Madrid, favorable results should be given to Valencia CF ¡in 4 games!, and in all of them they were considered incredible as it may seem).

    Not only must Real Madrid lose, but Athletic Bilbao is obliged to win in Las Palmas in order to be champion (Las Palmas also plays relegation in that match).

    The Basques, despite starting losing, win on the islands by 1-5 so everything depends on Real Madrid. The "whites" neither play well nor are they lucky. A future Real Madrid's player, Miguel Tendillo, scored 1-0 in the 39th minute, which would ultimately be final. In the second half, the "whites" (who are already hitting the post in the first half through a foul thrown to the crossbar by Metgod) run into the posts again on two occasions (Metgod again and Santillana) and against everything prognosis the league travels to Bilbao and Valencia is saved.

    Second title lost in the last minute.

    Third title: The team is very affected and thus will face the final of the Cup Winner's Cup on May 11, 1983. The opportunity is magnificent to win this competition for the first time (it will never be achieved). The a priori rival is quite affordable, the semi-unknown Aberdeen trained by a then unknown and future Sir named Alex Ferguson. By the way, I haven't said it until now, but Real Madrid was trained that year by the legend of the club's legends: Don Alfredo di Stéfano.

    The "whites" had eliminated Baia Mare, Ujpest Dosza, Inter Milan and Austria Vienna. On the contrary, the Scots had to play one more tie and eliminated Sion, Dynamo Tirana, Lech Poznan, Bayern Munich and Waterschei Gent. That is, they had already warned by eliminating Bayern that was the current runner-up in Europe (0-1 against Aston Villa the previous season).

    Aberdeen took the lead in minute 4 but Juanito put the tables in minute 15. It rains during the game and the Scots more used to it feel more and more comfortable on the pitch.

    And we got to the extra time. And there in minute 112 Hewitt puts the final 2-1.

    Third title that escapes and second in extra time. The disappointment is capital, a historic opportunity to do something great in a tournament that the entity has never won has been lost.

    Fourth title: The morale of the team must be in the ground, the two biggest titles of the year have escaped and in a completely unexpected way.

    Despite this, on June 4, 1983, a new opportunity was presented with the dispute of the final of the Spanish Cup. The rival is no longer Real Sociedad, Athletic Bilbao or Aberdeen, the rival is the intimate enemy, Diego Armando Maradona's FC Barcelona.

    Celta, Athletic Club and Real Sociedad had fallen at the hands of the FC Barcelona. Cádiz, Sevilla and Sporting de Gijón (he was the current “two runner-up” of the cup) did it at the hands of the "whites".

    In the 32nd minute, Victor overtook Barcelona but at the restart Santillana tied the final in the 50th minute. Again the extension seemed inevitable but then in the 90th minute, Marcos Alonso gave the title to Barcelona 2-1. To make the matter more bizarre, we must be remembered that Marcos was the son of Marquitos, defender of Real Madrid of Di Stéfano and one of the few players 5 times European champion.

    Fifth title: We continue. That season the so-called League Cup is released (a tournament of little success that only had 4 editions).

    Well, Real Madrid will appear again in a final, the fifth of the season (if we consider the last day of the league as the final). To reach the final they had to eliminate Real Sociedad and Real Zaragoza (on penalties after winning 5-3 in the second leg with four goals from Santillana that neutralized Zaragoza's 5-3 first leg).

    His rival again, Barcelona, who had eliminated Sporting Gijón and Atlético Madrid.

    The final is played in two games. On June 26 at the Santiago Bernabéu and after reaching the half-time with a 0-0 draw, FC Barcelona leads by 0-2 with goals from Carrasco and Maradona but Real Madrid quickly put the tie with goals from Del Bosque and Juanito (2- 2 was the end result).

    So things will be decided in Barcelona. Real Madrid again starts the game at a disadvantage and before the first half hour they lose 2-0. The final, again, is lost and only Santillana's goal in minute 82 (2-1 definitive) gives some emotion to the final of the match, but there is nothing to do and Barcelona is proclaimed champion of the new League Cup.

    For Real Madrid, an absolutely disappointing season ends in which they were about to win everything and finally nothing was gained (in subsequent interviews José Antonio Camacho, whenever he is asked about this season, comments that the squad was absolutely demoralized by what happened that year since no one could find an explanation for how the season could end without any title to put in their mouths).

    In 1984 nothing was won either and it was necessary to wait until 1985 to raise a trophy again, two in this case, the first UEFA Cup and the first and only League Cup. To win the League again, we had to wait for 1986, for the Spanish Super Cup to 1988 and for the Spanish Cup to 1989.
     
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  23. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    Excuse the correction mate. I had serious doubts about Seguer's position, but it didn't make sense for him to play as a defense, at least this season. I have checked it and really his position was inside right.

    Disculpa la corrección compañero. Tenía serias dudas sobre la posición de Seguer, pero no me cuadraba que jugara como defensa, al menos en esta temporada. Lo he comprobado y realmente su puesto era de interior derecho.
     
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  24. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    A partir de 1951-52 retrasa su posición; primero juega en el lateral izquierdo (no demasiados perdidos) y después en el derecho.
     
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  25. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    Yes, it had already told me @msioux75

    In any case, due to their scoring figures, I thought that the change to defensive positions had occurred in the 1950/51 season and not in the 1951/52.

    Thank you
     

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