Christian Pulisic at AC Milan

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  1. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
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    I've got that muscle. From doing lots of fully-loaded bicycle touring.
     
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  2. madvillain

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    VMO?
     
  3. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    I understood his point, but thanks for clarifying. I didn't want to waste an opportunity to make a joke about the runs, so perhaps I deserve the Hobo's revenge after all.
     
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  4. dams

    dams Member+

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    Dec 22, 2018
    Most on this forum are not Chelsea fans but USMNT fans that follow Pulisic. I would suspect that his health and getting his juju back before the next World Cup are vastly more important to the majority than how he has played for Chelsea over the last couple of months, or even in the next couple. There are certainly no guarantees going forward, but we have seen what he can do when he is playing at his best. Unless there is some type of chronic underlying health issue going on, at some point, he will return to form.
     
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  5. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
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    CHO has outperformed CP by the per90 metrics.

    But I agree, I don't think anyone would say he's the finished article. He has improvement to make. I'm just saying, if we can say something about injuries and lack of production re: CHO, it's just as relevant (perhaps moreso) to say about CP. That's all I was saying, at least. I don't think CHO is lighting the prem on fire... no one on Chelsea is.

    Watford also bossed them to break their invincible streak. And just about anyone can "boss" them this season, it seems. This isn't really that meaningful, it's a very selective criterion you're leaning on. This is a very big exaggeration, but it does remind me of people bringing up youtube clips of Adu vs Spain, when we could be talking about a much larger dataset. Because consistency is more important than having a couple really good performances against Liverpool.

    Again, CHO has outperformed CP by the per90 performance metrics when looking at all data/minutes played and not just being selective.
     
  6. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Ronnie Spector outperformed Darlene Love on every record sales metric
     
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  7. Noriega7

    Noriega7 Member

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    Dec 27, 2017
    Agreed here...CHO is clearly in better form right now than CP but CHO hasn't been as influential as CP was last year.

    What that tells us is when CP is in form, he's much more impressive and can do much more than CHO's best form...albeit CHO is younger and he may still have another gear to him.
     
  8. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

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    This doesn't seem relevant to anything I've said... are you responding to someone else?

    The specific context here, which gets lost in an odd goalpost-shift analogy, is measuring the effectiveness of an attacker through actual production. Hence me addressing specific points like "what did CHO do..."?

    The answer is, he outperformed CP by the per90 metrics. Which, if you're measuring an attacker's production, is the best way to do it... talking about those numbers in-context with regard to how much they were able to play.
     
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  9. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    you assume I believe goals and assists are a good way to measure the value of all attacking players. I don’t
     
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  10. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

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    I'm not just talking about those, I'm talking about multiple metrics, which, though it's your prerogative what you care about, to not care about this data puts you at odds with the richest and most successful clubs in the modern era. But whether you care about that too is up to you.

    Either way, in that post you quoted I was actually referring to someone else specifically, who was talking about goals and assists. So I have to assume they care, since they went there.
     
  11. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
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    I had to look it up but that seems like the one. "Responsible for extending the knee" really hits the nail on the head to explain why loaded cycle touring (and 8000 miles/year of general transport cycling) would have caused me to develop that. Cool to know!
     
  12. ttrevett

    ttrevett Member+

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    Glad the beard is back, the clean shaven mojo was clearly not working. We need Bizarro Pulisic now.
     
  13. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    May we call you the BS Quadzilla?
     
  14. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

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    More like Dadzilla these days.
     
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  15. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
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    Curious, what is your measurement period for this? Their entire career to date? Their Chelsea career, last season, this season?
     
  16. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    If he's at all like me, it's an arbitrary timeframe that overstates his case.
     
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  17. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Hard to imagine a Pulisic start today, but a substitute appearance seems likely, especially with the extra CL allowance of 5 subs.

    From Chelsea fans ...

    3-4-3 (73%)

    Mendy (93%) | Rüdiger (85%), Christensen (66%), Azpilicueta (80%) | Chilwell (57%), Kanté (74%), Kovačić (82%), James (60%) | Hudson-Odoi (63%), Werner (83%), Mount (91%)

    Hakim Ziyech (15%) was way off the pace on Saturday and the community reacted accordingly by favouring Mason Mount and Hudson-Odoi ahead of him. Christian Pulisic (38%) and Kai Havertz (25%) are just coming back from injury, and so the voters saw no need to rush them back. Timo Werner leads the line ahead of Tammy Abraham (14%) and Olivier Giroud (38%)."

    The author's somewhat different opinion ...

    3-4-3

    Mendy | Rüdiger, Christensen, Azpilicueta | Alonso, Jorginho, Kovačić, James | Hudson-Odoi, Giroud, Mount

    https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation...-vs-chelsea-champions-league-preferred-lineup
     
  18. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    also one that fails to consider slightly better than horrible is still not good
     
  19. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    Did someone say Ronnie Spector and Darlene Love?

    Damn I love this song.
     
  20. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    Just thinking about Darlene love makes me want to cry. Best Christmas song of all time and it’s not even close
     
  21. russ

    russ Member+

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    Dad quads?
     
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  22. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
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    FYP.
     
  23. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
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    I think his point is that he hates Pulisic and always has. He made an enormous emotional investment in the "Pulisic can't play for Liverpool" argument and isn't about to give that up.

    IMO, you're a bit overdazzled by Pulisic's dribbling. When he's performing at just his normal level, he's as dangerous in the open field 1v1 as almost anyone in the world. His passing on the break is quality too. But there's more to "talent" than that.

    His passing vision against a set defense and his finishing needs alot of work.
     
  24. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    A different era prior to twerking.
     
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  25. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    if the coach isn't into you, for whatever reason, good or bad, that's why people leave. The Barca coach wasn't into Zlatan so he moved.
     
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