Argentine NT: News, Stats & Players [R]

Discussion in 'Argentina: Selecciones Nacionales' started by jimmi_moh, Jul 17, 2014.

  1. Pekerman

    Pekerman Member+

    May 20, 2006
    says the guy shitting on messi on the barcaforum for the entire year lmao
    dude he was in the CL final vs bayern shut up please
     
  2. Pekerman

    Pekerman Member+

    May 20, 2006
    #10702 Pekerman, Feb 17, 2021
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    it's funny how argentinian players are rated to such insane high standard
    every player eventually gets exposed
    from Hazard to pogba long list of players
    most modern midfielder don't even come close to pull off long passing with this vision
    If Veratti is a world beater then so is paredes.

    Current "world" talent is a complete joke anyway. It is nowhere near say 10, 20, 30 years ago when you Riquelme, Zidane,Veron,, Totti, Gascoigne, bekham....even a mid table midfielder like mendieta probably had more talent than this entire generation. It's sad to be rated only on how much you can run. These new gen Z fans never watched real football
     
  3. DTCrackheads

    DTCrackheads Member

    Barcelona
    Argentina
    Mar 9, 2019
    THe thing is I do not think De Paul is a great destroyer or defender. He is just average in that regard. Don't get me wrong, I think he is a great player, but he is not a great tackler.

    For our NT to have a more solid midfield against strong teams, I believe we need someone like Ascacibar, Guido, or Battaglia to pair with Paredes. Give Paredes more of a creative role and also some defensive responsibility to help solidify the midfield. He cannot be the lone defensive midfielder, we will be exposed against strong sides.
     
  4. Loco

    Loco Member+

    River Plate
    Argentina
    May 1, 2005
    Miami
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I think Paredes has earned the automatic start for the NT; not just because of yesterday. He has been a solid box-to-box midfielder. But who he is paired with is critical. Remember the Paraguay game when it was Paredes, DePaul and Exequiel Palacio; until Palacio was hurt and subbed out by LoCelso, the midfield looked lathergic/without creativity and not effective. Sub in LoCelso for Palacio, and then the midfield showed quality.

    I am still not sure about DePaul, but right now a fit/in-form LoCelso and Paredes are automatic imo
     
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  5. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina

    The problem, at least with what I see is that DePaul is very good when he is the top-dog for a team. He’s not going to be this for the seleccion. He hasn’t been very good for us. But this isn’t his fault to be honest, he’s never had the chance to play with quality teammates on a consistent basis. But Scaloni is a fan, so there’s that.
     
  6. Duchene2Mackinnon

    May 9, 2014
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Not buying it tbh Barca are awful and Paredes/PSG/Mbappe took them to the cleaners. Good on all of them but this barca team is straight trash.
     
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  7. Milan05

    Milan05 Member

    Dec 2, 2015
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I remember Scaloni playing a Paredes-Guido midfield duo against Colombia at the 2019 Copa, and it didn’t look good. The midfield was slow and lacked dynamics. The team improved after De Paul was introduced into the starting XI.

    This is the tricky part about finding the right balance. Theoretically, playing Guido next to Paredes is good for defense. However, in reality it resulted in losing control in midfield and conceding possession.

    Now we have to take into account that both Paredes and Guido have improved significantly since 2019. Paredes went from a PSG benchwarmer to key player. Guido moved from Mexico to La Liga. Maybe if they played together again today, the result would be much better. I don't know.

    The other option is to play Ascacibar alongside Paredes. Ascacibar is more mobile than Guido and can run with the ball. The problem is that we still don't really know how good a post-injury Santi really is.

    If Palacios can remain fit and fulfill his potential, he could be the answer to many problems, but that remains a big IF.
     
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  8. Milan05

    Milan05 Member

    Dec 2, 2015
    Club:
    AC Milan
    In other news, Marchesin was really good today against Juve.

    Martinez, Marchesin, Musso and Benitez - Argentina have four highly rated goalkeepers in Europe.

    It's funny how things can change so quickly. At the 2018 World Cup, Argentina had zero good goalkeeping options. The choice was between 37 year old Caballero and the mediocre Armani.

    Fast forward a few years and suddenly 4 quality goalkeepers show up at once.
     
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  9. pipinogol

    pipinogol Member+

    May 20, 2016
    Club:
    Cary RailHawks U23
    Paredes is central midfielder. When he plays on the sides like he did under Tuchel, he gives much less to a team. He needs to be in the center of midfield and have all the options in front of him to do those long passes he does.

    He's incompatible with Guido or Ascacibar IMO, they just bother each other.
     
  10. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    It isn’t just v Barca. Everything I’ve read, since Poch has taken over, he’s really improved. Yeah, yeah, Ligue 1 is a farmers league but he’s playing with confidence. And he’s at least playing. Lo Celso has been injured for a lifetime. Palacios injured or is on the bench. Thus, Paredes is one of only few mids we have playing consistently.



    Scaloni will need to figure out who he’s going to have in the midfield. Will he ambitious and try Palacios, Paredes and Gio? Or will be a bit more cautious? We can’t get overran in the midfield.

    Palacios wasn’t exactly good v Paraguay. Lo Celso improved the dynamics of the game when he came on for him. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, leave Germany or go to a German side where you can play.

    I also agree with your post about the GKs but Marchesin is prone for really bad mistakes. Right now Emi should be the #1. 12 clean sheets is something special for a team like Villa.
     
  11. pregra

    pregra Member

    Barcelona
    Argentina
    Dec 1, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Messi was awful, by his standards, from the start of this season - made some many techincal mistakes that I didn't believe my own eyes. Form has picked up now but not even Messi in absolute prime can save the sinking ship that is Barca.

    EDIT: yeah, Paredes was in the CL final vs Bayern but did feck all apart from a great defence splitting pass in the first half.
     
  12. Duchene2Mackinnon

    May 9, 2014
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    club form is irrelevant imo. See pipita I know you’re opinion about him and I’ve seen enough posts about him by you so I don’t need to explain it. We agree there.

    Lautaro, Lo celso, and Palacios always bring it for the NT even if bayer’s coach is too dumb to use Palacios who I never have seen play a bad game both in club and country. If Paredes has improved more power to him we can use him. I just remain unconvinced. He has a big chance in March we’ll see.

    speaking of the qualifiers I watched Ajax yesterday, and Lisandro put in a motm performance. I really hope Scaloni doesnt ******** up the cb call ups
     
  13. DTCrackheads

    DTCrackheads Member

    Barcelona
    Argentina
    Mar 9, 2019
    You bet your ass the selection will be ****** up!

    You are 100% right. Paredes needs to be in the middle and it is difficult to fit another CDM with him, however I truly believe that against strong teams (Brazil, Germany, etc) we need more CDM support than just Paredes. I do not think De Paul is the answer in defense. I've seen him get burned too many times with a poor tackle.

    Can Paredes be used more as a CM/CAM with a true CDM behind and close to him?

    Ascacibar is very promising, he is quick and good at tackling. Guido has improved playing in Spain but will always be slow. Battaglia adds a lot of strength to the lineup, I like him.

    Palacios is good too, I really like his play. I am not sure he is solid enough in defense but let's see.

    It is up to the manager to figure this out but I stand by my thesis that Paredes as a lone CDM will see us lose to Brazil, Germany, France, etc.

    Something like a 4-4-2 diamond midfield in attack, flat in defence. The RM and LM get more attacking freedom and the 2 CMs having most of the defensive responsibility.
     
  14. Milan05

    Milan05 Member

    Dec 2, 2015
    Club:
    AC Milan
    The alternative is to surround Paredes with not one but two workhorses, something like:

    Palacios - Paredes - De Paul

    I believe that if Paredes is surrounded by two box-to-box midfielders who have great stamina, it will be enough defensive cover.

    In the game against Paraguay, that midfield did not look good (for the 20 minutes they were on the pitch together), but the balance of the team was thrown off by an unusual formation. 343 does not suit Argentina. 433 is the way forward.

    The downside is that you lose the creativity of Lo Celso, unless you switch to a diamond formation (but then you lose the width that Ocampos/Gonzalez provide).

    That is why I am really looking forward to the game against Brazil in particular because we need to see how that midfield copes against an elite opponent.
     
  15. Loco

    Loco Member+

    River Plate
    Argentina
    May 1, 2005
    Miami
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Man, we saw the midfield of Palacio-Paredes-DePaul last time around. It looked lethargic and did not create much against Paraguay. When Palacio got hurt and LoCelso came in, the entire midfield changed and became dynamic.
     
  16. Milan05

    Milan05 Member

    Dec 2, 2015
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Fiorentina just won 3-0 and Quarta played the entire game alongside Pezzella. I’m just happy that he has finally settled into Europe.

    Also, Argentina should cap Emi Buendia before Spain try to steal him. Spain have always been sneaky like that. They stole Thiago and Diego Costa from Brazil. They tried to steal Messi but thankfully he said no. They even approached Luka Romero.
     
  17. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Fatso cost us 3 titles. I don’t think that comparison to Paredes is correct. But I agree, players need to step it up for the national side. But Paredes has improved under Poch. He wasn’t exactly great under Tuchel, so maybe there will be transition. We just have to wait and see.
    I also believe Gio should be a starter. It is disappointing he’s been assigned such a defensive position at Tottenham. It is somewhat similar to what he had at PSG. At Beria, he was given so much more room to dance.

    But Scaloni likes high energy guys who can hustle. I’m a fan of RDP but he may have to go out of the starting line-up.

    Buendia I think is cap-tied for us. Wasn’t there some new rule if a player plays at the U20s, they are locked-up? Regardless, I’d like to see him take a leap-forward to a better side. He’s been rumored to a bunch of teams in the past but it has never manifested.
     
  18. soul24rage

    soul24rage Member+

    Barcelona
    Jun 13, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    A midfield of Paredes as a pivot with Palacios and Lo Celso in a 433 would be a good midfield imo. I doubt that RDP will be removed so we just have to hope he picks up form for the NT.
     
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  19. Pekerman

    Pekerman Member+

    May 20, 2006
    you didnt believe your eyes? you are disgraceful man. You were there shitting on Messi every post.

    a defense splitting pass and you aren't impressed lol what the hell did bayern mids do. the usual selective bias\

    you arent some football expert scout dude go back to your "i am on my period" tantrums on barca forum that suits you best.
     
  20. pregra

    pregra Member

    Barcelona
    Argentina
    Dec 1, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Off course I was "shitting" on Messi; he was making lots of errors and didn't look bothered at all (which he probably wasn't, all things considering). For all the praise we give him when he is his normal self, we can't not be critical when he was as poor as he was.

    Football expert scout? No one here has claimed they are. I hope Paredes plays well when the qualifiers is back in March, I'll leave it at that.

    Cuti Romero with another good performance, and a goal, today. He MUST be given a chance. At least include him in the squad.
     
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  21. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Lisandro Martinez is apparently killing it for Ajax. Their fans can’t stop raving about him. He’s become a regular for Ajax.

     
  22. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Lautaro scored a brace in Milan derby . He's probably the most inconsistent consistent player :D
     
  23. Milan05

    Milan05 Member

    Dec 2, 2015
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Lisandro, Quarta, Romero, Senesi, Medina and Foyth are all doing well right now. I cannot remember the last time Argentina had so many good young defenders up and coming. At this point it’s harder to decide who to leave out.

    Medina is best suited to playing left back in a back four, he can be competition for Tagliafico. Foyth has been playing right back for Villarreal, he can be competition to Montiel. This leaves Lisandro, Quarta, Romero, and Senesi competing for the two central spots. Two left footers and two right footers. Lisandro has played defensive midfielder on numbers occasions for Ajax and done well. I would consider pairing him up with Paredes to add solidity to the midfield.
     
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  24. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
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  25. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
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