Liverpool FC vs The Bitters - EPL - Feb 20 [R]

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  1. Wingtips1

    Wingtips1 Member+

    May 3, 2004
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    All 3 of our midfielders were within 4 yards of James and did nothing to stop him.
    Oh, and Thiago gave him the ball in said dangerous position.
     
  2. Wingtips1

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    You were what, 18, when that last happened? :p
     
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  3. Wingtips1

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    #228 Wingtips1, Feb 21, 2021
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    Your suggestions don't do anything to alleviate the problem we have right now - a complete inability to create anything offensively. You're shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic if you're so wedded to the 4-3-3 which has been letting us down all season.

    Let's be realistic, the 4-3-3 system with our attacking players all pushing centrally with our overlapping fullbacks has been negated for months. Unless Klopp has some new wrinkle in this setup that he has yet to unveil, a switch in tactics should be looked at. Coleman and Digne pretty much negated our fullbacks which left our midfield scrambled - and Tom Davies should never be getting the best of our midfield.

    Moving to a 4-2-3-1 could help alleviate some of the problems we're currently facing. The double pivot would allow Gini and Thiago to play deeper, and more closely resemble the role that Thiago played at Bayern. The double pivot should also, theoretically, give more cover to our inexperienced CB's and give more freedom to our fullbacks to support the attack. (And let's be honest, if Fab is back before Hendo, Klopp is playing him with Kabak at CB.)
    Then Jones/Shaq can play in the hole behind Salah and play Mane and Ox/Jota on the wings.
     
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  4. Samarkand

    Samarkand Member+

    May 28, 2001
    If there is one silver lining, it’s that with 40 points we’re probably safe from relegation.
     
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  5. SamScouse

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    Jun 1, 2015
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  6. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    I by passed most of the post match finger pointing. It’s not healthy. it’s prolly not heathy either to just say that the bitters got their revenge this season. As they destroyed our chances at achieving anything.

    Then to add, we stopped scoring goals towards the end of last season.
     
  7. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

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    Carra pointed to one legitimate issue about Liverpool’s attack, which has undoubtedly been wasteful as hell over the past few games.

    “Going forward is as big a problem as what we’re seeing defensively from Liverpool now. I know Liverpool have dominated possession but it doesn’t mean anything if you don’t create. And that is a big problem for this Liverpool team”, he said. “Very rarely do you see Liverpool play now when you expect them to score.”
     
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  8. SamScouse

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  9. newterp

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    I don't even think we create a lot of chances.

    In the Leipzig game for example - did we really "create" any chances?

    To be fair yesterday - we may have done more than Leipzig.
     
  10. Red Bird

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    He is probably conflating and possession with chances, the poor chap.
     
  11. burning247

    burning247 Member+

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    Sep 16, 2000
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    Everyone has the playbook against us. Low block, sit deep. There's nothing we can do. There has to be a change in how we setup and how we attack. Even Stevie Wonder could see this isn't working.
     
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  12. Samarkand

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    May 28, 2001
    Don’t know if this has been already posted but an interesting thing on the VAR check on the penalty. Most people (myself included) assumed the ref was checking to see if it was a penalty. Read somewhere that, apparently, all the officials were in agreement that it was a penalty. It was never not going to be a penalty.

    The VAR check was for a red card for TAA. David Luiz was sent off earlier his season in a similar situation on the basis of DOGSO even though he knew nothing about it; apparently there was enough evidence for a red for TAA, but the ref played the spirit rather than the letter of the law. And that’s why the video check was so cursory.
     
  13. Red Bird

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    He's a strange one, is Wijnaldum. I noticed a few times when he had the chance to break the Everton defensive line and get beyond the forwards. Each time, he stopped, hesitated and then passed the ball backwards, handing Everton the defensive initiative. I do wonder if, despite his being the most reliable (in being injury-free) player whom we have, that's one of the reasons he is not being offered the contract he thinks he deserves?
     
  14. never walk alone TPK

    Sep 27, 2004
    nairobi, kenya
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    Liverpool FC
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    Kenya
    Since 1 January 2021. We have scored 1 goal at home. That was a penalty in the 1-4 loss against City. Truly relegation form.

    Besides the 2 CB and Firmino, arguably, each of the players selected would be a starter at some of the teams we have lost against. On paper, we should be able to take care of the Fulhams, West Broms and Brightons.

    With derby games and games against United, form is out of the question it literally is anyones game as "passion" comes into play.

    I mean I do not know if they did this but if I was a manager I would play the Virgil injury on loop in all the audiovisual devices throughout the week. Constantly. Win for Virg. We are not asking to injure the opposition we are asking to win for Virg. But no, it was a whimper.

    We can talk about the CB injuries and all the injuries all we want, the catalogue of VAR issues, but its just not clicking anywhere else.

    Gini and Jones with the casual passes, stop, slow down rotate rinse and repeat. TAA and Robbos with the cross and hope, front 3 with the worst form ever.

    I mean I remember Roys tenure and Brendans end but isn't this a world class team that recently won the CL and PL. I mean at that point the players weren't great Konchescky and all but come on.
     
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  15. delaynomo

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  16. zaqualung

    zaqualung Member+

    Jun 17, 2015
    San Francisco
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    I disagree completely with the idea that this is or should have been a penalty. In fact, if it is a penalty, it asserts the extremely silly proposition that if a player is falling through a fast missed slide tackle with no-one in front of them, in no way can their legs raise upwards. What if the hoarding is close? If you are not in the position of being able to look behind you you still wouldn;t know that some clown was trying to leap frog you. (Anyway, as to the leg position in the fall, I can tell you as a fairly intermediate/advanced soccer player and skiier, that every time I used to fall in such a manner at such a speed, my legs came up as I bottomed out of the fall/challenge. For some people that is natural self protection.

    The point is this: If Trent goes for the first tackle he has little control over his motion on the ground aftewards, and IMO if he hasn;t fouled then his contnuing motion is his own domain (with no-one in front of him that he is going to crash into). Either he fouls on the way down to block the ball or on the way through, or he doesn't. He is not responsible for a player trying to leap over him, after that. Because most of his ability to change his motion is gone from his locomotive course by then.

    Are we now saying that if the shortest way for an attacker to get to a ball is not around a player's space, but through it, then it's a foul?
    If not, what? Because Otherwise Trent is not looking at a player choosing to jump over him, and he (Trent) under the circumstances of his own locomotion, has no obligation to look behind him and check what the attacker is now doing. The attacker failed to score but got his play off, and THEN used TAA as an obstacle course. That risk of tripping should be on him unless there was some wild abrupt swinging movement which is absolutely measurable as being out of the course of a normal high speed falling/flaling/trying to stop falling motion (on the part of Trent). There wasn't. And yes, sure, maybe he really did go to try to clip the Everton attacker, sure, maybe - problem is that this cannot be measured or adjudicated. Not without a wild swing.

    When a jockey points a horse at Beecher's Brook, he knows the risk he is undertaking. Similarly, if you are stupid enough to leap over someone who is out of control from behind them, you better make sure you get all the way over them.

    Rubbish decision.
     
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