Euro 2020 - Tickets Thread

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  1. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Well, the quarantine rules will probably change 25 times between now and June so I wouldn’t stress over that now.
     
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  2. mazinio

    mazinio Member+

    Apr 16, 2014
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    I expect full stadiums now that we know that 2 vaccins will be in the market from Jan 2021 with 70% of western countries population vaccinated by mid june 2021
     
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  3. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Yeah, should be okay now. Still not ideal to have a pan-European tournament but I imagine there will just be a requirement for all travelers entering the EU or UK to show a vaccine certificate.

    The biggest question-mark is Baku. Admittedly, I am not following the war too closely but maybe its still okay since Baku is way on the other side of the country (from Armenia)(?).

    But probably best/simplest to replace Baku with Istanbul. The city will have just hosted a CL final so they'll be ready to go and its not too far from the other host city for that group (Rome). Plus Turkey is in that group so 2 of the 3 matches would still involve a home nation.
     
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  4. mazinio

    mazinio Member+

    Apr 16, 2014
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    War in the area is over, should be fine now
     
  5. welshbairn

    welshbairn Member+

    Clachnacuddin
    Scotland
    Jul 31, 2019
    I don't think seats are allocated till the games are finalised and tickets issued, to avoid a Scotland fan being stuck in the middle of a load of England fans, say. I wouldn't worry too much about your ticket or order number being visible, they'd need your password, email address etc to do anything with it.
     
  6. LaParka710

    LaParka710 Member

    Köln
    Luxembourg
    Feb 20, 2020
    I may be overly optimistic, but after the vaccine news, I'm not really that skeptical any more about fans being allowed into the stadiums because UEFA will push for it now with a vaccine being available.

    My concern will still be getting from country to country because countries across Europe are all over the map now (obviously, could change in the summer) when it comes to restrictions currently. For example, the recent hubbub about how Iceland could go play in Denmark, but if they do, the UK government was balking at letting them in until they relented (probably due to some UEFA pressure). Situations like that would potentially worry me. Fingers crossed though that it will not be a concern if you have vaccine paperwork with you.
     
  7. Petersonnn

    Petersonnn Member+

    Jan 7, 2016
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Right now the elephant in the room is the Oxford Vaccine. UK and EU mostly ordered that one, it is the cheapest and it is the most scalable until early next year. IF it is effective, I am more the certain we will be good. If not... Than then it is a little more complicated...
    My prediction: Data will come out next week, itt will be a little less effective than the RNA vaccines (like 75-80%) but still good enough.
    Susceptible population will be vaccinated until early March, less susceptible late April. Infections will drop anyway as seasonality becomes a factor around mid April, there will be cose to zero deaths mid May. Cases will die also and early-mid june, there will be close to zero cases as well. I am talking about the EU here.
     
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  8. BailzLad

    BailzLad Member

    Jul 22, 2015
    thanks for the reply mate, yeah makes sense with the seat allocation etc.

    I thought they would need more info which they don’t have so all should be good thanks
     
  9. welshbairn

    welshbairn Member+

    Clachnacuddin
    Scotland
    Jul 31, 2019
    They're saying about 4 weeks for the phase 3 results, but phase 2 findings are encouraging. No indication of % effectiveness yet but seems to work over all age groups. I'm happy they aren't rushing to keep up with the other 2, their phase 3 numbers are only from about half the sample size of infected people required for regulatory approval, a bit to go yet unless the authorities use emergency powers to push them out early, which I think would be an awful idea. 0.01% of people getting an unexpected but seriously bad reaction to a vaccine would mean close to a million people, the antivaxxers would have a field day and uptake would be too low for herd immunity. I'm all in favour of moving fast, but only if all the safety procedures are followed, getting it wrong would be disastrous.
     
  10. Petersonnn

    Petersonnn Member+

    Jan 7, 2016
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    I agree what you said about not rushing it. The good part in the bad situation is that right now cases are rising really fast and people in the study can get the infections much more easily - so it can speed up the process naturally. I think if Oxford-Astrazeneca comes up with good results before christmas, ez Euro will be normal and we are not mentioning Novavax and JJ vaccines which can come online around March.
     
  11. welshbairn

    welshbairn Member+

    Clachnacuddin
    Scotland
    Jul 31, 2019
    Aye, here's hoping. I still think it will be tight but doable, there's more to it than the vaccine of course, all the packaging and distribution ain't easy. I'd imagine the military will be needed which will freak out the antivaxxers even more!
     
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  12. Petersonnn

    Petersonnn Member+

    Jan 7, 2016
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    I think antivaxxers are emphasized a little bit too much. Mostly these people do not think this virus is as relevant or dangerous as the media and the government want them to believe. Sometimes it is because they are not susceptible or sometimes they like to think with their head and they do a risk assessment and decide not to care and go out without vaccination. The reason I am saying is that mostly it looks like these vaccines will not really manufactured to sterilise people and stop infection, it is rather for people not to get sick of the virus. So of anybody wants "to be safe" I am pretty sure they will have the chance to have their vaccine until march-april. For others, they can go about their business as much as they want. And nobody can tell them anything because if somebody is afraid of them that they will infect them, they can have their vaccine and not to worry about it. So I think getting back to normal will not be just when like 70-80% vaccinated, it will be when:
    A: The susceptible gets vaccinated and there are significantly lower death rates
    B: People who want their shot anyway can have theirs and there are no people left who are afraid of this and cannot find a solution to avoid getting ill (I mean other solutions than mask and lockdown the whole population and destroy everybody's life).
     
  13. welshbairn

    welshbairn Member+

    Clachnacuddin
    Scotland
    Jul 31, 2019
    The big unknown so far is if vaccinated people become incapable of transferring the virus or if their ability to do so is severely reduced. If that is the case then I'd be in favour of those who have refused a vaccine being barred from flights and football stadia. A bit fascist but if people want to put others in danger and stop my football trip happening because of something they saw on Youtube, ********em.
     
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  14. detredwin

    detredwin Member

    Oct 30, 2019
    I am in the US as well, have first knockout round games in Amsterdam and Copenhagen. At this point, I am also feeling very confident that either vaccination proof or, at worst, a 72 hour negative test will get us Yankees to Europe for the games.
     
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  15. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    haha...I have very similar itinerary. New York -> AMS -> Copenhagen. Then St Petersburg for the quarterfinal.
     
  16. Petersonnn

    Petersonnn Member+

    Jan 7, 2016
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    #5416 Petersonnn, Nov 20, 2020
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2020
    I am sad that people think like this actually. We just agreed that if somebody vaccinate themselves, they are safe. Why would they depend on anybody else making the decision vaccinate too? There are almost no excess deaths in Europe since April and you would make a vaccine mandatory for healthy people? Then you could really develop a vaccine for influenza which works (they could do it with these new technologies mRNA, etc), and make it mandatory every year. Reminder: This year there is no flu, as Covid wins out in the respiratory disease battle, so the people who NORMALLY die of flu every year, do not die - or die WITH Covid). So these deaths are not excess deaths, they just deaths with a virus which is tested like nothing has been ever tested before and the figures are shoved in your face for 11 straight months, all day, like nothing other happened in the world.

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    I really think some people really like fascism at the bottom of their heart, really.

    By the way if they really do this, which would absolutely INSANE, I think the demand would drop by a big margin. I think at least half of the people who actively travelling, like adventures are the opposite of the fear porn campaing we are witnessing in the last year and a big portion of them would not vaccinate themselves.
     
  17. Ric_Braz

    Ric_Braz Member+

    May 13, 2009
    Wiltshire, UK.
    Club:
    AFC Wimbledon
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I would be more than interested to know what the anti vaxxers think is a better way to sort this out or would they rather live like this for the foreseeable future or perhaps even better be the deniers that don't think it exists anyway. It is frightening in the age of so much information and communication that so many can't think for themselves and act on tittle tattle on social media.
     
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  18. welshbairn

    welshbairn Member+

    Clachnacuddin
    Scotland
    Jul 31, 2019
    #5418 welshbairn, Nov 20, 2020
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2020
    The reason that flu infection is so low is all the steps taken to reduce Covid transmission do even better with flu, assisted by a higher than usual vaccination uptake of course. Like mask wearing, the point is not just to protect yourself, it's about protecting others, with masks even more so. If young healthy people think there's no point in wearing a mask or taking the vaccine to protect others more than themselves, we're ********ed and we can say goodbye to Euro2020.
     
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  19. Petersonnn

    Petersonnn Member+

    Jan 7, 2016
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    How the hell can you just state this as a fact? There are always dominant and less dominant viral forms every year. Only one wins out and have the chance to infect people. This is science.

    By the way, isnt it funny that masks and restrictions stop influenza but as you see, do not stop Covid? Not to mention the just published Landmark Danish RANDOMIZED PEER REVIEWED CONTROL STUDY (the gold standard) shows face masks have no significant effect. Please don’t argue. The Centre for Evidence Based Medicine look at evidence for a living. Prof Jefferson has masks among his speciality areas of clinical research.
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-masks-stop-the-spread-of-covid-19-

    Here is the link to the original article: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

    There is also a new scientific study about what influence the level of respiratory infections:

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    * INFLUENCES * Covid Death Rates: Country Metabolic Disease Levels, Life Expectancy Vectors, Economic Vectors, UV Index. *

    DOES NOT INFLUENCE * Death Rates: - Lockdown, or stringency of lockdown measures.

    These are peer reviewed articles from Scientific Journals, not some random Youtube videos. Stop consuming the fear porn of BBC + Governments and get on with your life.
     
  20. welshbairn

    welshbairn Member+

    Clachnacuddin
    Scotland
    Jul 31, 2019
    I read a summary of the Danish study, it estimates pretty much what everyone else has been saying, that masks are of low but useful worth for personal protection, but made no investigation into the benefit to others from wearing them, which is thought to be high.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...de-limited-protection-to-wearer-idUSKBN27Y1YW

    The Spectator hacks will be fuming about the findings, James Delingpole was practically creaming himself in anticipation.
     
  21. welshbairn

    welshbairn Member+

    Clachnacuddin
    Scotland
    Jul 31, 2019
    P.S. My final post on the matter, apologies for hijacking the thread.

     
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  22. Petersonnn

    Petersonnn Member+

    Jan 7, 2016
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    I would also send the discussion here with a beautiful thread. Please read if you have 5 minutes, really make you think:

    1329448565396148236 is not a valid tweet id
     
  23. LaParka710

    LaParka710 Member

    Köln
    Luxembourg
    Feb 20, 2020
    I totally agree with this! Assuming that the vaccines are proven safe and readily available before the Euros, taking a vaccine to be able to travel and attend them is not really too much to ask. If people don't want to take the vaccine if it is available to them, it's their personal preference. However, it could also be the preference of a country and/or UEFA to say you cannot attend because they have to cover their butts. Really, wanting everyone going to the Euros to take a vaccine is not fascism or a denial of freedom. It's a simple human trait of thinking, "I want to go, but you know, I also don't want to get other fellow fans or myself sick." 2020 really has shown the selfishness of so many people!

    All of this questioning of masks has to stop. I really don't want to read a "beautiful thread" that questions them because I'm not interested in utter BS. Unless it is more of that "coats don't work" thread because that was brilliant. I'm not even a scientist or even pretend to be one. However, I don't need to read a study that tells me that masks work. All I have to look at is two of the most prominent countries when it comes to masks before the pandemic, Japan and South Korea, and how well they are doing now. Japan has about 125K total cases and less than 2,000 deaths while S. Korea has around 30K cases and 500 deaths. I live in the States where at this point, we would be relieved with "only" 125K new cases each day. A lot of that is because of a selfish asshat who made roughly half the country think that masks are stupid and people taking away your freedom if you put one on. Sure, I could go out there and think it's time to "get on with your life" especially with the holidays coming up, but I won't because maybe I'm not a prick and actually care about others...
     
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  24. welshbairn

    welshbairn Member+

    Clachnacuddin
    Scotland
    Jul 31, 2019
    Just to add that some people can't take the vaccine because of an underlying condition or pregnancy etc, so healthy people who refuse one or to wear a mask are actively endangering them.
     
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  25. Petersonnn

    Petersonnn Member+

    Jan 7, 2016
    Club:
    FC Barcelona

    Intriguing paper suggesting that East Asians were exposed to ancient coronavirus epidemics from ~25,000 to ~5,000 years ago, resulting in coordinated adaptive changes across at least 42 genes, and which might provide increased resistance to
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.16.385401v1.full.pdf


    Also,

     

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