PBP: Joe Biden vs Donald Trump :: The Election That Just Won’t End Thread :: [R]

Super helpful for these patriots to provide their contact information. It will make them easier for the FBI to track down.

But I mean surely that's a joke, set up by some liberal trying to simulate a Trumpian conservative, right? "Malitia"?

 

"FBI" is interested in going too I hear.

 

Why is she concerning herself with what a PAC is doing?

Wilson went through the numbers. LP spent about 15m on Senate as they mainly focussed on the presidency. Other PACs also spent more.

DNC spent 250m on the senate races ...

Isn't that a better place to look?

 

Exactly

What this election really shows is the insane pressure on the margins - you get vast resource poured in to pull out WI by 20K votes. So the value of each dollar spent is small.

Untangling what worked and what didn't will take a lot of time. However it all adds up.

What you can say is the work of people like Ben W and Stacey A was absolutely critical.

IMO in a different year, Beto might have pulled out Texas as well - but dems largely went underwater in red states in the face of record turnout.

Stacey on the other hand is showing Georgia isn't a red state - its voter suppression.

 

One way is simply to ignore the Court and tie it up in endless litigation.

 

It's worth keeping in mind that Act Blue alone raising 300m in a few days after the death of RBG, with zero cost of cash.

So I get the disappointment that the Dem senate bids failed in places like Iowa and SC where huge amounts of money was spent, but it feels like LP was a bit of an after thought in those races, if they even entered them.

I do agree failing to knock over Collins sucks but I don't see LP as being a significant part of it really.

I mean Joe won the state by 8 points and then Gideon loses by 9?

I wish AOC would stop with the dumb takes until we get the actual data

 

One thing I think will be disproven, is the widely held belief that dropping huge ad spends late in the race has great ROI

Like the 15m LP money would have far more value spent on grass roots organising from 2018 - but the only trouble is the big money only got raised from the summer of '20

 

I have no idea if LP worked or not - the nerds will have to pour over the data - but they should be judged on the goal they themselves set and which Wilson repeated yesterday

Their concept was the so-called "Bannon Line" articulated by Bannon himself. i.e if LP could shift 4% or so of GOP/Indie voters at the margin in key counties to Biden, (or get them to stay home) then Trump loses, based on the tight margins in '16.

According to Wilson, the damage on the "bannon line" in key counties in PA etc, may have been as much as 8%. But establishing who contributed to that or achieved that will be very hard to unpick. It's also difficult because of the GOP surge in turnout of voters who didn't vote in '16

So I imagine this will be one of those things that gets argued about for months or years.

personally as a content guy, I think they were quite effective as a psyop / narrative setting operation. AOC can complain all she wants, but achieving national breakthrough on a few million dollars is extremely rare in the US.

 

Agreed

One of the things we may discover is that record turnout for Dems was driven by expanded VBM / early voting access?

It's long been the secret to GOP victories in FL because you get to bank millions of votes before election day