Everton vs Liverpool FC - EPL - Oct 17 [R]

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  1. asitis

    asitis Member+

    Mar 30, 2005
    Charlottesville
    What's the source of this report? Usually they wait until after a MRI to confirm.

    asitis
     
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  2. B.A.

    B.A. Member+

    Sep 12, 2007
    IL
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    Liverpool FC
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    "Shit. The trainer knew it on the field then.

    7-8 months is conservative."
     
  3. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
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    Liverpool FC
    we passed that point months ago.
     
  4. soccershaggy

    soccershaggy Member+

    May 18, 2003
    Baltimore
    Club:
    DC United
    Bullshit. Offside doesn't negate reckless play that endangers another player.
     
  5. bayern is god

    bayern is god Member+

    May 26, 2007
    india
    Exactly Exactly My Point.

    Its almost like the VAR officials are having orgasms calling game winners in the 94' and enjoying the laughs.
     
  6. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/54585375

    Former England defender Alex Scott on Final Score: "Jordan Pickford's challenge on Virgil van Dijk should absolutely have been a red card. It was reckless, the sort of challenge that could end a player's career. He has to be sent off. It was rash - the prime example of what everyone has been saying about Pickford."

    Former England goalkeeper Rob Green on Radio 5 Live: "Jordan Pickford was out on control and he tried to do the Peter Schmeichel 'starfish' jump. He has wrapped his legs around Virgil van Dijk and it looks really bad. His eyes are only on the ball but it looks worse rather than any intent on causing harm to Van Dijk."

    Ex-Premier League striker Jermaine Beckford on Final Score: "The way Jordan Pickford came out to address Virgil van Dijk and try to tackle him and win the ball off him was really, really dangerous. Both his legs were quite high. He was very fortunate not to be sent off."

    Former Premier League referee Peter Walton told BT Sport: "Players don't get a free shot because the whistle has gone. Jordan Pickford's challenge should have been addressed by VAR and given Michael Oliver a second look at it."

    How you reacted...

    Dave: "Utterly absurd. Pickford knew exactly what he was doing - red card any day of the week. You don't have to be a ref to acknowledge seriously foul play. A dreadful unprofessional foul from a decidedly average keeper.

    Carl, Derby: "The mind boggles how that was not a red for Pickford. You can endanger a player but it's OK if their eyelash is offside... VAR a joke(and not a funny one)!"

    Should Mane have been ruled offside?
    Liverpool captain Henderson thought he had won the game for the visitors, only for Mane to be ruled offside in the build-up.

    It was a tight decision, but not dissimilar to ones we have previously seen in the Premier League that are impossible to call with the naked eye.

    "It must be offside with VAR, it's what everyone wants," Henderson told BT Sport. "I think they bend the lines sometimes to make it offside. I'm not sure how they do it, I've seen it before."

    Klopp added: "Coming into the dressing room, people are standing around with a laptop and I say 'What's wrong?' and they say 'We have watched it back and we don't understand why it is offside'.

    "I am a real supporter of VAR - the picture I saw there is no offside, since then I have had 10 interviews and everyone tells me it was not offside and that doesn't lift my mood.

    "I didn't see offside but maybe somebody will explain it to me. The picture I saw was not offside, but it was offside because somebody decided it."

    How you reacted...

    Dean, Northampton: "So VAR can see that Mane's arm hair is offside but it can't see that reckless tackle by Pickford? Get it in the sea."

    Huw, Cardiff: "That offside freeze-frame isn't even the moment it left Thiago's foot! If the technology cannot be that accurate then you need a margin of 'too close to call'. See cricket."

    Ciaran: "It's not VAR technology itself that's so frustrating, it's the utter inconsistency in how it's used that's ruining football. The standard of refereeing in this country needs a complete overhaul."
     
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  7. LiverpoolFanatic

    Liverpool FC, Philadelphia Union
    Feb 19, 2000
    Lancaster, PA
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    Liverpool FC
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    Just heard that VvD is out for 8 months with an ACL injury. :mad::mad::mad:
     
  8. speker

    speker Member+

    May 16, 2009
    Canada
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    Liverpool FC
    If the acl injury is confirmed I'm sure we'll be in the market for a cb in January .

    Until then it will have to be Gomez-Matip-Fabinho -Williams.

    I'm sure no one on here needs telling that this injury to Virg is a massive massive blow especially on top of Alisson's shoulder problem and that we're also sweating on Thiago's condition.
     
  9. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Liverpool contacted the Premier League for an explanation of why Pickford’s challenge was not scrutinised, which part of Mané’s body was deemed to be offside and the moment VAR decided to freeze the frame in its stoppage-time review.
     
  10. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    “I have done a lot of interviews now and it is getting harder and harder to take,” said Klopp. “That was the best away derby we have played since I have been here. There was good football, we dealt with the specific strengths of Everton and our goals were brilliant. Then as I am leaving the pitch Thiago tells me that in the Richarlison red card situation he thinks he got injured. Then I go into the dressing room and people are standing around a laptop and I say: ’What’s wrong?’ and they say: ‘We have watched it back and don’t understand why it is offside’.

    “I am a real supporter of VAR but in the one picture I saw there is no offside. Since then I have had 10 interviews and everyone tells me it was not offside and that doesn’t lift my mood. We lost one player in a situation where VAR was not involved with Virgil and maybe another one in the red card situation and scored a legitimate goal which didn’t count. It was not our day but the performance was the performance I wanted to see.”

    The Liverpool manager admitted he was bewildered at the failure to review Pickford’s foul on van Dijk. He added: “It was a clear penalty and then the flag went up for offside. I thought they would still look at the foul but that didn’t happen. I don’t want to say Jordan Pickford wanted to do it but it is not a challenge a goalie can do in the box. If it not offside it is 100% a penalty.”
     
  11. Suss

    Suss Moderator
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    Aug 11, 2003
    New York
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    It is not down to luck that Van Dijk has avoided injuries since joining Liverpool. Virgil and the medical staff take care of his body. He cruises through games, hardly ever needing to strain himself or put his body at risk. This injury is not bad luck. It is something that was done to him. Everton's clueless goalkeeper did this to him. He is such a disaster that he is out of control on the pitch and it has cost Liverpool their best player. Virgil is arguably the most important player in the world of football. No injury could be more devastating to any team.

    Lets hope it is not as bad as we think.
     
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  12. bayern is god

    bayern is god Member+

    May 26, 2007
    india
    If your feet is ahead of a defender offside.

    If your feet is in line or behind the defender onside.

    Just look at the ********kng feet.

    I ********ing don't understand the shambles about armpit,penis or eye balls.Why the ******** are we complicating an offside
     
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  13. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    Liverpool FC
    I don't get how that is offside?

    The furthest forward part of Mane is his elbow (which can't be offfside). That just touches the yellow line.

    The furthest back part of the defender is his toe which also just touches the yellow line.

    Even if it's a matter of perspective, the bottom of Mane's sleeve is another couple of inches back.

    I don't see how you can make any call other than "level"???
     
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  14. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    Even with that I think it's "level".
     
  15. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    Untrue.

    And quite a few referee's have said it should have been red (irrespective of offside call).
     
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  16. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    If the tackle is bad enough it can still be violent conduct. A mentioned, quite a few referees have agreed.

    VAR ref's didn't do their job. They should have asked ref to look at monitor.
     
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  17. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    VAR should have asked ref to review .........
     
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  18. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    Agree about VvD. Mane was level even with new rule.
     
  19. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    I do agree with that. If the call is in any way subjective than it's automatically level.
     
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  20. hubbabubba

    hubbabubba Moderator
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    May 17, 2002
    Ann Arbor, MI
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    Liverpool FC
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    Yeah it looked like they were checking the ACL. When you see the physio moving the knee side to side to see how much play is in the joint that’s usually what it is. Let’s hope it’s just a tear and not a separation.
     
  21. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    Liverpool FC
    It's not a technical VAR issue.

    It's human operator error. Bad officiating.

    Don't blame VAR, blame the people.
     
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  22. asitis

    asitis Member+

    Mar 30, 2005
    Charlottesville
    Actually moving the leg side to side would be a check of the MCL (medial collateral ligament) or the LCL (lateral collateral ligament). The test for an ACL (anterior cruciate ligament) is the anterior drawer test, where, with the knee bent and the thigh stabilized, the lower leg is moved anteriorly. The amount of movement indicates the stability of the ACL.

    asitis
     
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  23. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
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    Liverpool FC
    who mentioned "technical"? the R in VAR = Referee!
     
  24. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    the guardian nails it .....

    This perhaps is the biggest issue with VAR: it pedantically adjudicates on issues all but imperceptible to the human eye and yet ignores offences as blatant as Pickford’s. It’s like a parking attendant dishing out a ticket for staying two minutes too long or being an inch outside the space while ignoring the thief putting a crowbar through the windscreen.
     
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