ELIMINATÓRIAS, R2: Peru x Brasil, 10/13/2020

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  1. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    2nd PK was definitely iffy. Replays shown weren't that great. But it looks like he came across Neymar's body a bit too much. I thought I saw a step too but not sure.

    Other than that, first PK was right, 2nd goal wasn't offsides (player behind the ball), red card justified.
     
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  2. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Yep. They are technical but also physical and well organized.

    In game play we just didn't create enough clear chances to justify the scoreline. Depends on how you view the game. But that's football.
     
  3. SiempreCrema

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    Deportivo Independiente Miraflores
    Peru
    Feb 4, 2015
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    I am angry as well, but I'm not a 15 year old angsty child. All the "big calls" except maybe the first penalty, were correct. Peru lost because of a terrible second half setup by Gareca. It's that simple.
     
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  4. SiempreCrema

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    Deportivo Independiente Miraflores
    Peru
    Feb 4, 2015
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Did you forget Brazil maybe had a goal wrongly ruled out?
     
  5. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    TV Brasil actually showed the game on TV in Brazil. Not sure if I get that channel.
     
  6. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    The first PK I don't think you can get away anymore with pulling the shirt like that with an extended arm for that long in such an obvious way. Even if it didn't hold the player back that much. The 2nd PK I've seen it not given a lot when a defender more or less throws his body across to "protect his position" with a striker running across. Specially when the striker wasn't making to the ball. But there might have been more contact that I saw in the replay. Replays were pretty poor. Not sure who's doing the feed.
     
  7. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    I'm not familiar with your team's roster and current generation, so I can't say whether Gareca indeed deployed your team incorrectly. But I do know that Peru was up 1-0 and then 2-1, and that it gave Brazil a lot of difficulty through its aggressive marking of Brazil's players in its own half of the field during the earlier stages of the games. As I wrote above, your team has shown performances marked by athleticism, speed, talent, and a killer instinct I don't remember seeing in previous Peruvian sides.

    In any case, in November, you will visit Santiago for a match vs. Chile. I consider them to be at the tail end of a good run whereas your team is now beginning what could be a good run. I see Peru as the likelier winner. We'll see.
     
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  8. passat1976

    passat1976 Member+

    Oct 19, 2007
    USA
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    #33 passat1976, Oct 14, 2020
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2020
    I am cool with Brazilians.. My grandfather was from Pernambuco, Brasil.. even my godmother was Brazilian... but Brazil did't need that disgraceful officiating to its favor to beat Peru.. Such a great game by both teams got ruined by a Chilean referee... Bascuñan was a disgrace and that's being kind.

    I will leave some food for thought.. Isn't that strange that Brazil start the qualifiers with Bolivia, Peru and Venezuela??.. and then ends the qualifiers against Paraguay in Brasil, Chile in Brasil and weak *ss Bolivia away??.. It could be an unfair statement, but I have to say it.. Even Messi already said it "Brasil controls everything".

    Thanks for at least giving me that.. Even Casemiro indirectly agree about the disgraceful officiating and can't explain Brasil victory.. I wish things would have turned out better for Peru.. but nothing is gonna change the outcome.. Time to move on.



    P.D. I am not gonna even mention that Peruvian moderator.. He is getting roasted in the Peruvian thread anyway.. Nobody knows what game that dude actually watched.
     
  9. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    I'm glad you're cool with Brazilians. There are more than 212 million of us. :D

    On a more serious note, look: I see that you were upset, but to bring your family and Brazilians as a whole is unnecessary. There are voices in the Brazilian sports press who questioned at least one PK. If Bascuñan made errors, for you to come to the Brazil forum and say Brazil controls everything and to do so by using things that player from Barcelona has said as an argument is not going to get you friendly replies here, all the more because it's nothing more than an appeal to authority for which you've provided no evidence.

    Good luck vs. Chile in November.
     
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  10. Estuardo A. Lopez

    Jul 9, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I got the game on ppv (I just could not wait). It was a good game, pretty gritty which is as it should be in SA qualifiers. Both penalties were correctly awarded, I think. IMHO, Brazil needs more heft in Midfield because Douglas Luiz has good technical ability but he lacks the physicality to help Casemiro. I think Fabinho might be a better option.
    Peru has a very good team and they should make to Qatar.
    p.s. The best game of the day was Ecuador v Uruguay.
     
  11. Estuardo A. Lopez

    Jul 9, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    It's funny how Peru now has Argentina as their best friend because of something some short guy said in the heat of the moment.
    If you go on social media Peruvians are saying "just wait, when Brazil play Argentina or Uruguay or Colombia they'll get destroyed." Can you imagine! When was the last time Brazil lost, in an official game, to these teams?
     
  12. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    :D:D
    if I remember correctly they knocked us out of a CA with a hand goal :D
     
  13. passat1976

    passat1976 Member+

    Oct 19, 2007
    USA
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     
  14. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    The second PK is debatable, so I understand why Peruvians are upset about that one. I do think there is also a case to be made for it being called a PK. I don't think it was one of those PKs were there was no case to be made. The defender could have chose to shield the ball without making contact with Neymar at all because the cross was not good.
     
  15. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I think that is pretty rich coming from Messi since Argentina is usually the one that calls the shots in CONMEBOL lately. We are far removed from the Havelenge days. In the Libertadores, it is even more blatant the prefential treatment Argentine clubs receive compared to Brazilians.
     
  16. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Not to mention the 1978 screwjob with Argentina...
     
  17. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Ok, you can leave now, troll.
     
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  18. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    I'm sure Peruvian fans were incensed by that call.
     
  19. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Argentina, Tramontina, insulina, propina, who cares what Messi says. As if he was upset at the refereeing that gave his team a non-existent PK in a WCQ qualifier vs. Chile which his team won 1-0.
     
  20. Estuardo A. Lopez

    Jul 9, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I've travelled many times to Argentina and I have realized one thing about Argentinian fans: They all believe in Conspiracy Theories.. In other words, Argentina is the victim of CONMEBOL/FIFA and that's the reason they have not won a World Cup since 1986. After the CA last year the most used words by media and fans: RE-COMPRADO.
     
  21. SiempreCrema

    SiempreCrema Moderator
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    Deportivo Independiente Miraflores
    Peru
    Feb 4, 2015
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    #46 SiempreCrema, Oct 14, 2020
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2020
    Karma has caught up with us. We all defended that call too, but I'm sure nowadays Peruvians are happy to admit it was the wrong decision. However, we hadn't beat Brazil in 40 years before that, so we were happy to just take it.

    Some of the calls the referee missed yesterday for Peru did anger me, but the "big calls" against us weren't wrong except maybe at a push, the first penalty.

    Personally I'm glad this happened yesterday and not in the Copa America final or a crucial qualifying clash. This is only the beginning.
     
  22. pipinogol

    pipinogol Member+

    May 20, 2016
    Club:
    Cary RailHawks U23
    Like you in 1995 CA vs Argentina.
     
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  23. pipinogol

    pipinogol Member+

    May 20, 2016
    Club:
    Cary RailHawks U23
    Not anymore. Domínguez is desperate for Brazil money and has Argentina as number 1 enemy after Messi spoke. He's giving Brazil all the favors lately (libertadores final in Maracaná, restarting competition in the middle of covid peak because Brazil asked for it).
     
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  24. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    That was just retribution.
     
  25. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA

    I don't believe in karma, but I do appreciate you're honest enough to say "all of you" defended the Cueva goal.
     

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