Scoring situation

Discussion in 'Colombian National Team' started by crzdcolombian, Jun 19, 2008.

  1. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Yeah, the issue with muriel, boirja, duvan, borre muriel isnt lack of oportunities with the national team..........is that they havent earned those spots in their irregular club careers.....


    While falcao supossedly is in crisis because he isnt as fast (never was) and sharp........he still have more goals than any other colombian ( 7 goals), in europe only morelos have more.
     
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  2. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Queiroz/Reyes era:

    2018-2022

    Scorers:

    4 Falcao (Venezuela, Panama, Japan and USA)
    3 Duvan (Peru, Argentina and Qatar)
    2 Bacca (Costa Rica and USA)
    2 Uribe ( Peru(2) )
    2 Cucho ( Costa Rica (2))
    1 Chara (Venezuela)
    1 James ( USA)
    1 Borja (USA)
    1 Lucho Diaz ( Corea)
    1 Tesillo (Panama)
    1 Muriel (Panama)
    1 Cuellar (Paraguay)


    Assistors:

    5 James (USA, Argentina. Qatar, Peru and Costa Rica)
    3 Arias (USA (2), Paraguay)
    2 Cuadrado (Costa Rica y Panama)
    1 Bacca ( Venezuela)
    1 Quintero (USA)
    1 Cardona (Panama)
    1 Stefan Medina (Peru)
    1 Roger Martinez (Peru)
    1 Lerma (Argentina)
     
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  3. CalamityX18

    CalamityX18 Member

    Real Madrid
    Colombia
    Jun 19, 2018
    Roger Martinez vs Argentina golazo?
     
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  4. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    @CalamityX18 right. i counted the assitance of james but not the goal of roger.

    Queiroz/Reyes era:

    2018-2022

    Scorers:

    4 Falcao (Venezuela, Panama, Japan and USA)
    3 Duvan (Peru, Argentina and Qatar)
    2 Bacca (Costa Rica and USA)
    2 Uribe ( Peru(2) )
    2 Cucho ( Costa Rica (2))
    1 Chara (Venezuela)
    1 James ( USA)
    1 Borja (USA)
    1 Lucho Diaz ( Corea)
    1 Tesillo (Panama)
    1 Muriel (Panama)
    1 Cuellar (Paraguay)
    1 Roger Martinez (Argentina)


    Assistors:

    5 James (USA, Argentina. Qatar, Peru and Costa Rica)
    3 Arias (USA (2), Paraguay)
    2 Cuadrado (Costa Rica y Panama)
    1 Bacca ( Venezuela)
    1 Quintero (USA)
    1 Cardona (Panama)
    1 Stefan Medina (Peru)
    1 Roger Martinez (Peru)
    1 Lerma (Argentina)
     
  5. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Queiroz era:


    Scorers:

    3 Duvan (Peru, Argentina and Qatar)
    3 Muriel (Brasil 2 and Panama)
    2 Uribe ( Peru 2)
    2 Falcao (Japan and Panama)
    1 Cuellar (Paraguay)
    1 Roger Martinez (Argentina)
    1 Tesillo (Panama)

    Assistors:

    2 James (Argentina and Qatar)
    1 Roger Martinez (Peru )
    1 Arias (Paraguay)
    1 Stefan Medina (Peru)
    1 Lerma (Argentina)
    1 Duvan (Brasil)
    1 Cuadrado (Panama)
    1 Cardona (Panama)

    12 matches, 13 goals.

    in 4 of the last 5 matches we havent been able to scored a single goal. Since the begining of copa our goal frequency has dropped a lot.


    With our previous coach. in the first 12 matches we scored 25 goals.
     
  6. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    #756 HomietheClown, Oct 16, 2019
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2019
    Pekerman was very good at coming in and helping us form an offensive identity while simultaneously keeping to our style of free flowing beautiful futbol. It helped that he had played and lived in Colombia and that his way of doing things correlated well with our talent and mentality.


    Queiroz is a very different kind of manager and is trying to make the team play the way he wants. It is obviously going to have some growing pains but it is not all bad.
    If we look at the Brasil match for instance we had many chances on goal against them. It seemed like more chances than any time we faced Brasil under Pekerman. Same with Argentina.
    So it is not all gloom and doom.
     
  7. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    1. Against brasil we dont have more than 3 clear options....and one of our goals was a silly penalty kick. Yeah we played good.....in the game of wc 2014 and in the last one absolutley we create the same or more options.

    2. Argentina? True....but two things his style have changed a lot of after copa. And what happened with argentina obession? That match doesnt give means more points or the golas aginst them it is a different achievement. It was a match that we won but is not an objective of the team

    We are reggresing, that all not from queiroz havent been bad not means we are failing bad in out scoring situation
     
  8. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    1) We had a lot of scoring opportunities in that game and then we went down 0-1. We had missed headers and shots that were way off target but we still looked very dangerous. More Dangerous than any time under Pekerman against Brasil.

    2) It is not an obsession. Just noticing that we played against Argentina much better under Queiroz than under Pekerman.

    3) I do not think we are regressing. We have ups and downs just like most regime changes that are extreme with a culture changes and experiments.
    The scoring situation is nuanced and has different variables within each match.
    The lineups we used against Venezuela and Algeria and Korea are not lineups I expect to see when the official matches of importance start up.
     
  9. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Aginst brasil we only had 2 shots on target....and a goal that was call of side of roger (the header)

    I.repeat the team played good, but to say that it was so dangerous inst true. We cant confuse solid game, with options of goals. We played irganized...but isnt like brasil defense wasnt colse to be outplayed.

    The last match in barranquilla actually we have two posts besides the goal of falcao.


    Yeah @HomietheClown if you say we arent regressing so we arent regresisng...only scored in one of our last 5 matches is so normal....and the coach that never have won something have a cprrect plan this time
     
  10. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Still the attacks were much better against Brasil even though the shots were not on target. The tempo was much better too.

    We are not regressing. We are experimenting and changing styles and the way things are done. If we get bad results next year then I may change my tune.
     
  11. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Yeah if homie say that the team isnt reggresing sonthe team iant reggresing....
     
  12. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    You don't have to believe it.
    It is just my observations.
     
  13. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I was thinking about this today:

    Muriel with 18 goals in Italy. Zapata with 15 goals in Italy. Jhon Cordoba with 13 goals in Germany.

    Is there a trio of strikers playing at such a high level in such good leagues on any other National team on the planet?
    Maybe at the very top National teams in Europe but not in South America I know that for sure.

    Heading into Qualifiers I hope Queiroz's tactics can help translate these hot scoring trends to the Colombian team.
    But so far I think most of us think his tactics may help pour water on the fire and retard the attack.
    Please prove us wrong Queiroz and find a way to get these guys in good positions to score.
     
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  14. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Well argentina with aguero, dybala, lautaro and messi have similar numbers....
     
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  15. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Ocampos.
     
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  16. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Are Dybala and Messi true strikers? I am not sure. I am not even sure if Aguero will be called up and part of the plans but yes they have a bunch of natural goal scorers.
     
  17. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    #767 HomietheClown, Jul 9, 2020
    Last edited: Jul 9, 2020
    Looking at their last friendly they were the front line used by Scaloni so I guess that answers my question.

    I just thought of Dybala and Messi more like "tweeners" attacking midfield /striker hybrids. It is all semantics.

    The Main point though is that we have 3 guys playing at a very high level that are scoring goals like crazy.
    Hopefully they can do that for Colombia.
     
  18. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Queiroz era:


    Scorers:

    5 Muriel (Brasil 2 ,Panama and Venezuela (2))
    4 Duvan (Peru, Argentina, Qatar and Venezuela)
    3 Falcao (Japan, Panama and Chile)
    3 Uribe ( Peru 2 and Ecuador)
    1 Cuellar (Paraguay)
    1 Roger Martinez (Argentina)
    1 Tesillo (Panama)
    1 Morelos (Peru)
    1 Lerma (Chile)

    Assistors:

    3 Stefan Medina (Peru, Ecuador and Chile)
    2 Cuadrado (Panama and Venezuela)
    2 James (Argentina and Qatar)
    2 Mojica (Venezuela and Chile)
    1 Roger Martinez (Peru )
    1 Arias (Paraguay)
    1 Lerma (Argentina)
    1 Duvan (Brasil)
    1 Cardona (Panama)

    16 matches, 20 goals.



    With our previous coach. in the first 12 matches we scored 25 goals.
     
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  19. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    As much as I dislike Pekerman for shitting his pants and being a coward in big games.

    1st 6 months with him as coach had me dreaming big.

    think his first game was against Mexico. We did like a 20 touch goal... that was fking like playing Fifa on easy :)

    the way the team played was incredible.

    That team was way way better than what we have now. So not sure if comparing the two is exactly fair.

    Mina + Sanchez > potentially better than Yepes+Zapata but mostly because I don’t rate Zapata that high after he left Udinese

    other than that I’d stick with what we had

    Zuniga + Armero we won’t get that type of attacking wingbacks for a while with their stamina and acceptable defending. Zuniga at least to me is our best RB ever.

    8 year younger Falcao, Cuadrado and James.

    a 8 year younger Abel who hopefully Alzate can be better than. Tho to Me Abel > than any mf we have now in that spot.

    Carlos Sanchez was much better than Barrios. Neither can really create much.

    so it comes down to do you rate In prime Falcao better than Zapata. Yepes or Mina?

    for me I’d take everyone in 2012 over what we have now. Falcao was slow but was a serial killer.
     
  20. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Barrios is a better player than Carlitos ever was
     
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  21. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Sanchez never had the Barrios level........

    And no Colombian forwards have had the level that falcao had.....duvan numbers in his best season (last two) are modest near falcao ones..
     
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  22. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Pekerman had the advantage, knowing our league and players and culture.
    He was a perfect fit to come in cause his philosophy and tactics complemented our talent very, very well.
    Also our offensive talent was a tiny bit better to chose from.

    Queiroz is a true foreigner who was oblivious to many things about Colombia and still has us scoring at a decent rate in official matches.
    He is trying to make us play to his style and it is not as bad as a transition as it could be.
    It remains to be seen if his stubborn ways will help us win a Championship but I think he can have us organized to get real close to it. The players just have to be accountable and take their chances when they can.
     
  23. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Agreed. Falcao was enjoying a very special moment at that time.
     
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  24. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    You hated Roca Sánchez LOL

    or are you talking about the Carlos Sánchez from Uruguay?
     
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  25. Azucarero

    Azucarero Member+

    May 9, 2008
    LOL I was so confused.

    As one of the few Sanchez supporters left on the board, I feel the need to say that he was a very strong player for us other than a couple stupid mistakes in very big games. Barrios is much better in the possession game, and I think a better winner of the ball now, but Sanchez was a monster in the air.
     
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